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    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...-east-67037895

    This is considered the biggest attack inside Israel territory since, i dont know when. There are even rumors that Hamas has captured whole settlements in the south although that could be propaganda. Some officials in Israel must loose their position because we are talking about a big failure of the Israeli secret services

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    I think the reports of the "massive" attacks are probably an exaggeration... Hamas can barely dent even the Israeli border wall with their puny missiles, and they're gonna get pounded back badly in return like always. This smells to me like a case of Netanyahu and his ultra right solidifying their radical nationalism. Probably they've been waiting for any small attack by Hamas to go full in, declare total war, and thus galvanize the Israeli public in support in order to declare emergency powers and thus finally squash local opposition to their recent judicial overhauls. If anything this might mean the end of Hamas, and the very beginning of a full on Israeli occupation of Gaza and the rest of the West Bank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    I think it's probably a big whoop of nothing... Hamas can barely dent even the Israeli border wall with their puny missiles, and they're gonna get pounded back badly in return like always. This smells to me like a case of Netanyahu and his ultra right solidifying their radical nationalism. Probably they've been waiting for any small attack by Hamas to go full in, declare total war, and thus galvanize the Israeli public in support in order to declare emergency powers and thus finally squash local opposition to their recent judicial overhauls. If anything this might mean the end of Hamas, and the very beginning of a full on Israeli occupation of Gaza and the rest of the West Bank.
    We are not talking about some missiles here. We are talking about a full blown invasion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papay View Post
    We are not talking about some missiles here. We are talking about a full blown invasion
    Do you have data on how many Hamas militants are participating in that operation and what means they have?

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    Don't be silly... Beware of the news because it is mostly controlled by a pro-Israel narrative. Whatever Hamas is doing, it is not a full invasion and nothing close to it. A few dozen men breach the border wall, 5,000 missiles (99% destroyed or not hitting their target). A full invasion is what Israel will do in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Beware of the news because it is mostly controlled by a pro-Israel narrative. Whatever Hamas is doing, it is not a full invasion and nothing close to it.
    In that case there is no need for a pro-Israel narrative:




    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Whatever Hamas is doing, it is not a full invasion and nothing close to it.
    Well it is not Hamas moreover we can call it by name which is no one else then Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz View Post
    Hamas can barely dent even the Israeli border wall with their puny missiles
    Nonsense:

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    In my experience, an exploding 90 kg warhead feels like getting kicked in the chest even from two kilometers away, when standing out in the open.

    Although yes, despite their initial success in taking Israel by surprise this time, they are in for a pounding, but to some extent, that’s probably their goal – dead Palestinians on social media to disrupt the Saudi normalization talks.

    I don’t actually see this playing well for Netanyahu. The radical right in his coalition are necessary to keep him in power for now, but it’s not an amicable relationship. There have recently been reports of Ben Gvir disrupting high level security meetings. He was excluded from the most recent one. Ben Gvir’s unprecedented electoral success was largely driven by a reaction to the last major flare up.
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    Although yes, despite their initial success in taking Israel by surprise this time, they are in for a pounding, but to some extent, that’s probably their goal – dead Palestinians on social media to disrupt the Saudi normalization talks.
    It does seem like a tantrum. The Abraham Accords and subsequent negotiations with the Arabs haven’t been a positive turn of events for the “Palestinian” larp
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    I’m going to say based on the number of warning sirens and explosions I’ve heard today in Tel Aviv, that they’ve attacked more than the south.

    There have been reports of fighting in Kfar Aza, Sderot, Sufa, Nahal Oz, Magen, Be'eri, and the Re'im military base. These are all along the Gaza border. Hamas militants have been mostly shooting civilians, but they’ve apparently taken at least one hostage.

    Hamas has claimed to have fired 5,000 rockets into Israel in the last five hours. In any case, it seems to have been enough to overwhelm the Iron Dome to some extent, since there were some direct hits on Israeli cities, including one in Tel Aviv. So far, 22 Israelis have been reported killed, with an additional ~300 wounded, many of them seriously.
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    Indeed, I fear that Israel will use this as a pretext to literally level tens of apartment buildings and steal more land.
    What prompted the "Palestinian invasion", by the way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Indeed, I fear that Israel will use this as a pretext to literally level tens of apartment buildings and steal more land.
    What prompted the "Palestinian invasion", by the way?
    the stolen land, probably.

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    In b4 Israel's government uses this "unexpected massive attack", which I've seen compared to the Yom Kippur war by some outlets ( ), to further bolster their power.

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    Can Israel IDF bomb inside Israel territory?

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    I wonder how the US will react if Israel commits a massive massacre, as it is set to.
    Hopefully it will be enough for the US to stop supporting it.
    By the way, already, with the first indiscriminate air strike, 160 palestinians died in Gaza (more than the reported dead jewish people).
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    Hey guys, cool it down a bit with the calls for indiscriminate massacre from your cozy living-rooms. Unsurprisingly enough, war crimes are considered illegal activities, so any future comment cheering or wishing for them will be rewarded with a lengthy suspension from the political forums.

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    Not sure what Hamas is trying to accomplish with this incursion, except maybe propaganda points when the inevitable Israeli counter attack and bombing of Gaza leaves scores of dead Palestinians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irontaino View Post
    Not sure what Hamas is trying to accomplish with this incursion, except maybe propaganda points when the inevitable Israeli counter attack and bombing of Gaza leaves scores of dead Palestinians.
    Yes, extremists on opposite sides of a conflict have one common interest: to keep it going. I'm not sure how anyone can still get suckered into taking sides. It's only giving air to the fire to do so. Until ordinary folk on both sides take power away from them, I say they deserve each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Indeed, I fear that Israel will use this as a pretext to literally level tens of apartment buildings and steal more land.
    What prompted the "Palestinian invasion", by the way?
    There have been mounting tensions for months Kyriake. They were trading shells and missiles at an increased pace. That's why many think Israel must know that the pot would boil over sooner or later.

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    Not sure what Hamas is trying to accomplish with this incursion, except maybe propaganda points when the inevitable Israeli counter attack and bombing of Gaza leaves scores of dead Palestinians.
    Scores? They have already killed 200 people in Gaza. I expect 1500-2000 dead before the dust settles.

    As for the Israeli losses, BBC reports 70 dead Israeli and dozens of kidnapped, soldiers or civilians.
    This is not an everyday attack.
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    I have been watching some of the horrific videos on social media. In particular I am perplexed by the vids showing breaching of the barrier fence and again at a nearby military base. In both cases these was no Israeli presence. There was literally no one monitoring these structures it seems. The terrorist forces walked up to the barrier fence, planted explosives, ran back, detonated, and then moved through the now open barriers. No one challenged them or provided any resistance at all at these locations.

    What happened to the "smart" sensors and installation guards, patrols, drones, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Baltar View Post
    I have been watching some of the horrific videos on social media. In particular I am perplexed by the vids showing breaching of the barrier fence and again at a nearby military base. In both cases these was no Israeli presence. There was literally no one monitoring these structures it seems. The terrorist forces walked up to the barrier fence, planted explosives, ran back, detonated, and then moved through the now open barriers. No one challenged them or provided any resistance at all at these locations.

    What happened to the "smart" sensors and installation guards, patrols, drones, etc?
    Complacency. Who knows poor contractors. Nobody using the equipment. I mean I can build a very secure PC for somebody but I can't stop you from not maintaining it and not updating software and recklessly ignoring warnings to not click this or that.

    Reporting does seem to say Israel moved troops around away from GAza and kinda decided the potential threat level was low and not imminent.
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