Dacians

[tone]

While there's no RTR forum I thought I'd post this here for comment. This one is from Saniol's Dacians - I've changed the skin added the scale armour and so on. Do we prefer iron or bronze for the scales?







I think I prefer the iron.

[cherryfunk]

I like bronze. The more color we can add, as long as it's not neon CA colors, the better.

Speaking of which, can we make the Seleucids a bit more colorful? From what I've read, they really made an effort to be a glitzy, colorful army, and the units in RS seem a bit drab...

[tone]

How about bronze for horseman and iron for swordsman?

[dvk901]

I agree with Cherryfunk that color is good, but so is variety. As long as a unit has other color, iron is ok. I think a bronze horseman would look awesome anyway. My guess would be they, being nobles, would be more likely to be able to afford it? Iron would've been cheaper?

These are really nice units Tone.

[cherryfunk]

Actually, wouldn't bronze be cheaper? But I like having the horsemen more colorful, makes them look richer.

[tone]

DVK,
Can I get you to add these units to DMB / EDU so I can see in custom battle? obviously their mod is BI one...

type getae_horse_archer
skeleton fs_s1_hc_archer, fs_mounted_swordsman
indiv_range 40
texture alemanni, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture empire_west_rebels, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture vandals, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture celts, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture romano_british, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture slavs, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture lombardi, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture burgundii, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture merc, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
texture slave, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, 8
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, 15
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, 30
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, max
model_sprite 45.0, bi/data/awsprites/AG_getae_horse_archer_sprite.spr
model_tri 300, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

type getae_heavy_cavalry
skeleton fs_o_m_spearman, fs_mounted_swordsman
indiv_range 40
texture alemanni, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture empire_west_rebels, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture vandals, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture celts, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture romano_british, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture slavs, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture lombardi, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture burgundii, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture merc, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
texture slave, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_high.cas, 8
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_med.cas, 15
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, 30
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, max
model_sprite 45.0, bi/data/awsprites/AG_getae_heavy_cavalry_sprite.spr
model_tri 300, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

type getae_tarabostes
skeleton fs_s1_semi_fast_javelinman, fs_s1_slow_barbswordsman
indiv_range 40
texture alemanni, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture empire_west_rebels, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture vandals, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture celts, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture romano_british, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture slavs, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture lombardi, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture burgundii, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture merc, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
texture slave, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_high.cas, 8
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_med.cas, 15
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, 30
model_flexi bi/data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, max
model_sprite 45.0, bi/data/awsprites/AG_getae_tarabostes_sprite.spr
model_tri 300, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f


And I suggest we use the Thracian peltast but reskin for Dacians, it'll save a much needed slot. Can I ask you to send me a modified DMB to allow recruitment of these please? That way I can get the colour balancing right.

Thanks

[tone]

DVK,
This heavy cavalry guy is an overhand spearman. What skeleton do I need to use? we don't have the one they're using.
EDIT:
Aaah, it's an EB skeleton - have just PM'd them.

[cherryfunk]

Hey, they could double for one of the Baktrian units also. Check out the Mad Asabara:

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/fact...ria_units.html

[dvk901]

Holy Crap that unit looks nice.....the units you wanted from above, are they Barbarian Invasion units, you mean? But sure, I can find them and put them in, then I'll upload. But do I have these units, or you do? And the faction names...what DMB do you want them added to, a BI DMB? They won't work in RTW.

BTW, I have basically taken ALL the BI units and transferred them into RTWv1.5, so I know they will work. So if you find a model you like or want to use in BI, that's easy to do. The animation pack in Roma Surrectum is actually more inclusive than BI's.

[tone]

This is what I did to get this unit into the battle - I adapted the Sarmisegetusa unit - but obviously it'd be good to keep something in as that one - maybe have these as general's unit or something.

Ok didn't make myself clear:
I want to add 3 units to DMB (and presumably need to add to edu too if not just replacing another unit - these are added units).
These would be changes to DMB

type getae_horse_archer
skeleton fs_s1_hc_archer, fs_hc_swordsman
indiv_range 40
texture dacia, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_horse_archer.tga
model_flexi data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, 8
model_flexi data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, 15
model_flexi data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/as_getae_horse_archer.cas, max
model_sprite 45.0, data/awsprites/AG_getae_horse_archer_sprite.spr
model_tri 300, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

type getae_heavy_cavalry
skeleton fs_o_m_spearman (IF WE CAN GET THIS SKELETON - ALTHOUGH DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ROMAN CAVALRY UNIT - HE WAS HOLDING SPEAR OVERHAND), fs_hc_swordsman
indiv_range 40
texture dacia, data/models_unit/textures/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY.tga
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_high.cas, 8
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_med.cas, 15
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, max
model_sprite 45.0, data/awsprites/AG_getae_heavy_cavalry_sprite.spr
model_tri 300, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

type getae_tarabostes
skeleton fs_s1_semi_fast_javelinman, fs_s1_barbswordsman
indiv_range 40
texture dacia, data/models_unit/textures/as_getae_tarabostes.tga
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_high.cas, 8
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_med.cas, 15
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/AS_GETAE_HEAVY_CAVALRY_low.cas, max
model_sprite 45.0, data/awsprites/AG_getae_tarabostes_sprite.spr
model_tri 300, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f


plus adding the Thracian peltast into the DMB/EDU for Dacia.

[dvk901]

Ok, also, the Roman Cavalry Auxilia uses an overhand.... it' just a mounted Light Auxilia Infantry. Like for instance, you could mount a 'peltast', and presto, you have an overhand...but, you'd have to stop him form throwing it. I'll experiement a little.

[dvk901]

I've got most of them added except that last one...getae_tarabostes.

I'm not sure what you want him to be? Is he like a legionary and throws the javelin, or a sword armed peltast or something?

[tone]

He's the guy in the iron scale armour above - the swordsman. Yeah, I guess he's a bit like a legionary.

[dvk901]

BTW, LT1956 uses the 'fs_o_m_spearman' in SPQR.

I'm sure he'd let use use it....ah, never mind, he got them from EB...

As far as that last one, I'll have to guess a little since I can't test it. You may have to tinker.

[dvk901]

Here ya go. I used the patch 7a versions, so they should work with yours.

Patch8 is a lot different.

[tone]

DVK,
Are you aware of any cavalry units that have a phrygian helmet? And I'm looking for the unit texture that becomes the Macedonian Royal pikeman - can't seem to find it yet - nice as it's got a large shield and phrygian helmet.

[tone]

DVK,
Are you aware of any cavalry units that have a phrygian helmet? And I'm looking for the unit texture that becomes the Macedonian Royal spear unit - can't seem to find it yet - nice as it's got a large shield and phrygian helmet.

[tone]

Great will give this a go
Here's one of the spear units:

[dvk901]

type greek_hypaspist
skeleton fs_slow_spearman, fs_s1_slow_swordsman ; combat spear
indiv_range 40
texture macedon, data/models_unit/textures/new/unit_macedon_hypastist_new2.tga
model_flexi_m data/models_unit/unit_greek_hypastist_v2_400.cas, 15
model_flexi_m data/models_unit/unit_greek_hypastist_v2_300.cas, 30
model_flexi data/models_unit/unit_greek_hypastist_v2_200.cas, 40
model_flexi data/models_unit/unit_greek_hypastist_v2_100.cas, max
model_sprite macedon, 60.0, data/sprites/macedon_greek_hypaspist_sprite.spr
model_tri 400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Easy way to find a unit texture you're looking for:

Look for the name you see in the game in 'export_units.txt'
Use the name in brackets to search for it in 'EDU.txt'
Once you have that, the 'soldier' line will tell you which entry in DMB corresponds with that unit, and what texture\s it uses.

You can, by the way, give a pikeman a 'short_pike' instead of a 'long_pike', or a 'spear' as a weapon in EDU, then mount him as a cavalry unit.

If you need help, let me know.

[tone]

You can, by the way, give a pikeman a 'short_pike' instead of a 'long_pike', or a 'spear' as a weapon in EDU, then mount him as a cavalry unit.

That's what I was thinking and hoping.
As I said I can't seem to find a cavalry unit that uses a phrygian helmet.
I think it'd be good to have one for all Greek factions using this? Do you think? But also for Dacia. This Royal guard would work well.
Have you got time to sort that out for me? Doesn't have to be today, I can carry on working on lesser units for a while.

Here are the new Dacian units from Saniol:




Slight problem with this one - the model isn't quite right and isn't giving the new helmet - I'll let him know