Modern Russia, all you want to say and ask about her and her future

[Pavlik the Rus]

So, for no offtopic elsewere, I suggest to speak about us here. I see that a lot of people who knows notning on us.

[RZZZA]

Why is it a she? My country isnt a she, my country is a he. Why aren't you takin notes?

[Pavlik the Rus]

Wait a minute, our country is Mother Russia, not Faterland

I'll answer to Сegorach here:

I want to say that we will not ask for you for permision or advise, and toy have no right to give it to us.

It is an internet forum isn't it ? You want my opinion so I have given it in great details, at least it spares me writing it down again.



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Agree. we never have inquisition, crusades and others religion bloody supressions. Missioners on maximum.

Separation of the state from the church is a fact. Church in general was independent from the state - only when the state was using the church or opposite it was different, but in the case of Russian Orthodox church it was ALWAYS the tool of he government - that is byzantine influence, but with new additions became even worse.





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Yes, they came here, but as singles men, not as a part of their govs, and served to Russia, not to their countries. Now we have no this kind of men. All this foundsб organisation works on the govermrnts, who finance them

Hmmm Those are called NGOs - non-governmental organisations of international range.
Of course you can always treat the Salvation Army as a military unit as it happened in Russia...






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A LOT of cheap resources inside will hit economics? No.

Will, if there is no use to it. You need technology to use the resources - Russia lacks them.
Oil and gas export brings certain dangers such as the addiction to the easy money, but if you want to see the long-term consequences see Saudi Arabia - you willl not find too many rich people out there...



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If so, why Germany closes their mines of coal?

Because it is still too expensive, but if the prices will rise these will be re-opened again.



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Yes. If you think that this is not a anti Russian, name please it's targets

Defensive. The only case of NATO intervention happened in Kosovo and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that after the inability of civilised world shown during the conflict in Bosnia.



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Funny, but you won't be saying that the Europe is not feelling with american forces and weapons

It was a joke.


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recomend to you move to Hatanga or Jakutia. If you want to take warmclothes take really warm

I will take also winter tyres for my bicycle. Good I have those handgranades bought from the Russians in early 90s otherwise I could have problems with the conquest of Siberia...



*joke* (for those who have't followed the topic)...

Who tell you that Ortodox church is an instrument of a state? Church is quite independent for now. And why worse? What bad in this?

All NGO sponsored from someone. And acts on their interests

In what technologies we are lacks? Machinery? No. Weapons? No. Micro electronics - Alferov is ours (Nobelian). Even more, we'll by what we needed. ANd a lot of cheap resources will calls economic boom. Boom of prodaction.

Nato defensive? What nato defences in Kosovo, Iraq, Afganistan? They are ocupants. We thick that they can easely wants to "defend" something here, in Russia

[Erik]

Wait a minute, our country is Mother Russia, not Faterland

Wasn't Russia named after a Viking called Russ?
Wouldn't that make it a he?
Or perhaps Russia is the female version, just like America is the female version for Amerigo?
And wasn't your state male during your communist era (which makes it an interesting combination: male state, female country)

PS: my country is a he because that way we can call it's founder "father of the fatherland", which is a cool title IMO.

[U.A.T]

PS: my country is a he because that way we can call it's founder "father of the fatherland", which is a cool title IMO.

My country is hermaphrodite! =3

[cegorach]

[quote=Pavlik the Rus;1486248]

Who tell you that Ortodox church is an instrument of a state? Church is quite independent for now. And why worse? What bad in this?

Because from at least the time of Peter the Great (rather much earlier) it is controlled by the state and it ALWAYS bows before the government.

All NGO sponsored from someone. And acts on their interests

Act on their own interests, that is true and those interests are anti-Russian, I assume ? Charity and HR organisations included ?

In what technologies we are lacks? Machinery? No. Weapons? No. Micro electronics - Alferov is ours (Nobelian). Even more, we'll by what we needed. ANd a lot of cheap resources will calls economic boom. Boom of prodaction.

Yes, sure. How many computer factories are in Russia. How many Russian car companies are exporting their products ?
Nobel prize... well you need to use the technology first to achieve something.

How is it possible that Russian economy is SMALLER than Spanish and only a little larrger than Dutch ?
Not to mention Canada, Italy, the UK, Germany, France, Japan etc...
True Russia exports resources and weaponry, but I would like to see other products it exports too ?
When I was in Dublin and visited a Russian shop 'Russkiy bazar' the only Russian products were Kremlin pictures and some dry and very odd looking fish , the other were either Polish or Czech.

Nato defensive? What nato defences in Kosovo, Iraq, Afganistan? They are ocupants. We thick that they can easely wants to "defend" something here, in Russia

There are no NATO troops in Iraq, but alliance soldiers. Besides in case you forgot there is an UN resolution to support their presence here.
NATO is present in Afghanistan because de-facto the country was in state of war with it since 11/9 2001 events.
Kosovo - so you assume that 'evil imperialists invaded poor, innocent Serbs' ? Oh please...

It is so apparently obvious that Russia uses the policy of NATO denial - everywhere it goes, everything the NATO does is 'evil' and the Russians support everyone opposing it - Iran, Iraq, Serbia etc.
The only strategy it has is to sell weaponry to those states which are anti-American, but you can't build something permanent on that can you ?
:hmmm:

[Cluny the Scourge]

So - Putin - is he as totally psychotically evil as he appears to be? Faked terrorist bombing campaigns against his own people to start a popular war and get himself elected, mysterious and unexplained assassinations of reporters and opposition politicians, radioactive poison killing his enemies in excruciating anguish, etc, etc.?

And I hear you drink beer over there now instead of vodka. Good choice.

[Pavlik the Rus]

So - Putin - is he as totally psychotically evil as he appears to be?

No. He is surely not insane

Faked terrorist bombing campaigns

They are not fake, they was a very very real. First Chchen war was a crime, second - no.

start a popular war and get himself elected

Looks like this is right. On that moment needed strong leader and he came.

mysterious and unexplained assassinations of reporters and opposition politicians

Hm.... Why do you think that it is - his hands business? For example Politkovskaya was no real influence on society. What for he wants her death?

radioactive poison killing his enemies in excruciating anguish

It is all a bs. Fake. Litvinenko in real was a nothing. Why nothing mast be killed? He served in FSB's low structure, he can't know what he tell, he was so low to this. But Berezovski, former shadow master of Russia, makes from him a political card.

etc, etc

And how many?

And I hear you drink beer over there now instead of vodka. Good choice.

Yes it is a true. Beer is most popular than strong drinks. It became so within last 10-15 years

From my self i want to say, that i very dislike his home policy. Only words mostly. Prices grows up, services not works properly, buy own home is unreal to fair man e t.c.
But, in comparison with former - Eltsin. He is better.
In foreign policy, i think action are right, we began rise from a knees. this calls opression from foreign powers. Men in west still thinks on cold war period. But we are not comunists, we are capitalistic country.

[KaerMorhen]

we began rise from a knees. this calls opression from foreign powers

well nothing has changed then, this is the most typical russian way of thinking to justify all failures by foreigners conspiracy. All the atrocities and hostilities you commit were consider as necessary self defence. So this time who's trying to invade/oppress/knock you down to your knees - Baltic States&Finnland, Ukraine, Romania or archenemies Poland and Georgia??? Your once-visible empire is gone with Stalins death and right now you're chasing dreams of it's former "glory". You were taught to be subjects of the state not its citizens so is the same way you treat others - and that's no partnership.

[Pavlik the Rus]

Your once-visible empire is gone with Stalins death and right now you're chasing dreams of it's former "glory". You were taught to be subjects of the state not its citizens so is the same way you treat others - and that's no partnership.

What dreams? We have no it. We just want to build new Russia, new, not a copy of Union. Treat? How? Only counter measures. Where is treat?

[KaerMorhen]

What dreams? We have no it.

to be recognized as superpower, to make others fear you as it was in the past - isn't it sad to be recognized not by your achievements only by possible damage you can bring to others. Sure you're building new Russia right now but on Unions fundaments - which means you changed the colors on banners and thats all about it. Since I've changed my job I've been to Russia a few times lately and had opportunity to talked to Russians and discovered interesting things such as: vast hospitality but shut - quite intrigue isn't it???
But there one thing must be mentioned - I've only talked to people from "europe" part of Russia so I guess people living in Norylsk have different views than those from St. Petersburg and Moscow.

[Pavlik the Rus]

2Erik
The vikings (not vikings exactly, variangians) calls this lands not Rus' (female name), but Gardarica (the land of the cities). The name Rus have unknown source. Probably from Rus river. So it's a mystery There is a lot of teories
In culture, traditions there is no word gosudarstvo - state (male). We have other words strana - country (female), zemlya - land (female), rodina - it have no exact translation, maybe "land of birth" and it female. From rodina becames rodina mat' - Mother land, Mother Russia. And all countries in world is strana for us, female, exept the USA, it's they - oni.
So, the name Russia is female mostly from tradition and language.

2Foytaz

to be recognized as superpower

You know what, i can tell you from the faces of all Russians (it's imposipble), i can tell you only from my and those with whom i've speak (belive me that this number is quite big, i've been in many places in Russia)
So, no SUPERpower, but just strong power no more. All impires finnaly brakes, so brake again? No, it's unnecessary.

make others fear you as it was in the past - isn't it sad to be recognized not by your achievements only by possible damage you can bring to others.

So you recognize that fear is hypotetic? It's sad, well, i hope the time will ruin this

Sure you're building new Russia right now but on Unions fundaments - which means you changed the colors on banners and thats all about it.

No, everything is absoluyly different. There is no comunizm, only capitalizm. No unification idiology

vast hospitality but shut - quite intrigue isn't it???

Not quite understand, please refrase

2cegorach

Yes, sure. How many computer factories are in Russia. How many Russian car companies are exporting their products ?
Nobel prize... well you need to use the technology first to achieve something.

I don't know how many exactly, but there are 5-9. Not components, but comps. VAZ exporting cars. About Nobel - fully agree

How is it possible that Russian economy is SMALLER than Spanish and only a little larrger than Dutch ?
Not to mention Canada, Italy, the UK, Germany, France, Japan etc...

We have crisis here, you see... But crisis is not a constanta

True Russia exports resources and weaponry, but I would like to see other products it exports too ?

For example atomic plants, small little things that each country can produce

When I was in Dublin and visited a Russian shop 'Russkiy bazar' the only Russian products were Kremlin pictures and some dry and very odd looking fish

You don't taste vobla???? You must, no, you MUST taste it!!! With beer, i'm serios, only cansers with beer maybe the best, but i more like vobla

There are no NATO troops in Iraq, but alliance soldiers. Besides in case you forgot there is an UN resolution to support their presence here.

There is no resolution of UN allows US starts fake war on Irag. What will stops americans and their allies to begin war on other country? And what if Russia will be next? We are commited in same crime we have an oil, plus more crimes - others resources.We have no chiose, we must be strong.
So, you declares Russian crimes against Poland, you refuse Polish crimes against Russia. What you'll say about thousands of dead in irag? This is normal to you, will you refuse this, or accuse accupants (Poland is there too) in massive deaths there? How many? 60000? Or.... ? UN gave no permission, it's only simple greed war.

NATO is present in Afghanistan because de-facto the country was in state of war with it since 11/9 2001 events.

Please.... What war since New York? And why Afganistan? Bin Laden is arab, no real evidence of his presence there, dut people dies

you assume that 'evil imperialists invaded poor, innocent Serbs' ? Oh pleas

I know only, that Kosovo - historic hart of Serbian people, Albanians there is a newcomers. ANd if in my home will come someone with weapon and will demand that i must go away, i will kill him.
So, the Serbians are bad, but if you are so good why Serbs leaving Kosovo? Why ortodox churches blows up? Why only Italian soldiers once desided to protect the church and begins combat with bandits? Why? Where is preforming of NATo duty there?

The only strategy it has is to sell weaponry to those states which are anti-American, but you can't build something permanent on that can you ?

India became an anti usa country? When? We sell weapons to those who will buy them. Simple dusiness, if buyer anti American, or American, we don't care.
Don't worry, we'll put all efforts to remake our economy.

[KaerMorhen]

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vast hospitality but shut - quite intrigue isn't it???
Not quite understand, please refrase

I meant that russian people are wide known for their hospitality - like most Slavs but they are shut to others as well which is unique among other slavic nations - Poles, Ukrainians, Serbs, Czech and Slovaks. Sure everybody needs to keep balance, sometimes I think we(Poles) are too open but still it's better than shut yourself like in castle and suspect foreigners of hideous conspiracy plans. I think all of us need some relax and to learn to think of ourselves with more scope than being so serious.

[Aristophanes]

For whatever reason, this sort of discussion never improves my opinion of Russians or the Russian state.

What was the latest news from Russia, Putin promising Russia would build ICBMs that could go through any defenses? Promising indeed...

[Edmonton]

Ros lagen(lagune) it's a place a bit north from Stockholm there ros-vikings originating from they started arranging trade route from Baltic to Constantinople in 7th AC .In 9th century 15 tribes from which 13 Slavic, one Ugric, one Turkic invited the leaders of Ros vikings to rule.2) Only in Swedish language you can read 'o' as 'u',not in modern Russian ,so only Swedish ethimology can explain why it's Rossia-Russki.Unfortunately Communists disliked Swedes as 'Germanic' associatiating them with Nazis this why they tried to come to some anti-viking origin theories.Then now extinct Eastern Germanic-Gothic was more similar to Baltic and Slavic,then modern Western Germanic.

[Pavlik the Rus]

2Aristophanes
America declares anti missile defence, we must have the counter measure. If not balance will be demolish, it's to dangerous to everybody.

[ErikinWest]

2Aristophanes
America declares anti missile defence, we must have the counter measure. If not balance will be demolish, it's to dangerous to everybody.

So should America start shooting its dissenting journalists to counter measure Russia? I really don't believe that Putin with more power means a safer world.

Erik

[Aristophanes]

2Aristophanes
America declares anti missile defence, we must have the counter measure. If not balance will be demolish, it's to dangerous to everybody.

Or you could consider the fact that America has largely dismantled its inventory of ICBMs.

[Betepok]

So should America start shooting its dissenting journalists to counter measure Russia?

Americans can shoot all of their journalists - we dont care )

[Pavlik the Rus]

2Edmonton
Well, the same i want to say. Few teories And in SU Sweden never was a hostile country. All hostility was on west, not north

2Aristophanes
For now yws, USA have larger nukes arsenal, but it's more important who can deploy it to targets and who can't. Our new researches pointed to penetration of missile defence, which USA planes to build, brakiing our official deal. They assure us that it's against of "bad" countries. But for some reason around our territory.