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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdiad View Post
    Realstically this indictiment is nothing, the real thing is if he gets indicted over his actions for trying to tamper with the election in Georgia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    As for Greene I'm sure she'll make herself a public nuisance with lots of noise and calling for the arrests of random strangers, but she is an expert at keeping herself just within the line of what's legal.
    Giving tours of the capitol to insurectionists before January 6th so they could quickly locate and kill Pelosi and AOC is not within the line of what's legal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Giving tours of the capitol to insurectionists before January 6th so they could quickly locate and kill Pelosi and AOC is not within the line of what's legal...
    Yeah but she has an R next to her name, meaning that actions which would be illegal for the common rabble are fine for her in our two-tiered justice system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Business indictment is literally in the realm of State Court and that is the rumors this is lining up as. 30+ indictments. And keep in mind, we are a country that runs down politicians that are running for office, in office, and retired from office. There is only one single exception and only at the federal level. The President is immune from investigation at the federal level. And only by policy. No Congress has ever passed a law regarding this. They certainly have never passed a law regarding living president not in office. And once they are out of office they are definitely not immune because the really are not the President. So New York kept investigating.
    The indictment is not over something Trump did in the role of President though, even if it occurred while he held that office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    The indictment is not over something Trump did in the role of President though, even if it occurred while he held that office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    The indictment is not over something Trump did in the role of President though, even if it occurred while he held that office.
    I was under the impression it occurred during his presidential campaign, so before he was in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    The indictment is not over something Trump did in the role of President though, even if it occurred while he held that office.
    That does not make it any less of a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Adrian View Post
    That does not make it any less of a crime.
    It does not, no. It is still important that strictly speaking the indictment and charges are entirely separate from Trump having previously been President.

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ee40&ei=6&rc=1

    34 charges. MTG is cheerleading in Trump's defense.

    You can say all you want about Trump, but I will have more issues if MTG becomes the vice president of USA in 2024 than if Trump becomes the PotUS.
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    If the mugshot gets published, I can guarantee that the cultists will throw their money at it.
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    Funny how all the Presidents of the USA are guilt of thousands of deaths, especially Bush for his criminal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan but only Trump is indicted in what's a clear politically motivated trial. Good luck putting him in jail!

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    All 34 indictments are related to “falsifying business records” regarding Trump’s alleged very expensive sexy times with some blonde sex worker years ago. Nothing to do with Trump’s presidency, of course. But I guess if impeachment failed to substantiate claims Trump was a Manchurian candidate and cops escorted Buffalo Guy through much of the Capitol like personal tour guides during the “coup” that turned out to be “obstructing an official proceeding” when it came time to file charges, the DNC and their allies in the media have to mention that the alleged illegal payments were made “during Trump’s campaign” to make the association between the latter and criminality. I mean ffs:
    Jeremy Saland, another former prosecutor, cautioned that prosecutors know they "have a very long road ahead with these charges" because they will have to prove to a jury that Trump intended to break election law even though he is not criminally charged with doing so.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...st-2023-04-04/
    Regardless of whether or not Trump is actually guilty of trying to disguise sex as a business expense to avoid bad press (yawn), it’s comical how desperate the Democrats are to punish him for humiliating them. Bragg campaigned for his current job by promising Party elites to go after Trump. Once he got it, he cobbled together a string of rumors, ranging from Trump misrepresenting his net worth to the alleged “no kiss and tell” payments, to come up with something, anything, to file charges with - all in a blatant effort to advance his own career by proximity to the limelight and virtue signals of political fealty to the Party. And it appears to have served his purpose.

    What I find most entertaining, however, is the Left’s attempt to “refute” comparisons between the DNC’s subjugation of state and federal institutions to their political vendetta and what that says about the health and of those institutions. The “fact checkers” were quick to point out the political machinery in lots of other countries have attempted to jail current or former leaders, so it’s totally ok and not unprecedented, before listing countries with long and often infamous modern histories of political instability, systemic corruption/cronyism and autocracy, including Brazil and Argentina. Lmao.

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    Whatever happens from here on out, Trump’s presidency, retaliation by the establishment and subsequent indictment are the latest canaries heralding trajectory of US decline in absolute if not relative terms, even if we manage to avoid becoming a one party state with the sort of social and political environment you’d expect to find in Latin America, from the PRI in Mexico to Venezuelan Chavistas to Argentina’s Peronism. You can already see it in the increasingly hostile and intransigent institutional dominance of the liberal establishment in the US.

    As for why and how that is, you can read commentary from the Founding Fathers predicting this sort of outcome due to failure to safeguard the institutions they created for us and which made the US system one of the oldest and most stable living governments in the world. I suspect some of the contemporary reasons are similar to those behind the growing prominence of India/Pakistan Hindu/Muslim rivalry in domestic British politics, thousands of miles from either of those places.

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    @ Lord Thesaurian

    You stated that Trump may have commited a crime:

    Regardless of whether or not Trump is actually guilty of trying to disguise sex as a business expense to avoid bad press

    Then excused it.

    So..... uhm..... yeah.... that's excusing the crime so.... Excusism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramashan View Post
    @ Lord Thesaurian

    You pointed stated that Trump may have commited a crime:

    Regardless of whether or not Trump is actually guilty of trying to disguise sex as a business expense to avoid bad press

    Then excused it.

    So..... uhm..... yeah.... that's excusing the crime so.... Excusism.
    This comment suggests a complete lack of familiarity with the charges or the case prosecutors are trying to build and why. Consider reading the quoted article before trying to come up with a snarky one liner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    This comment suggests a complete lack of familiarity with the charges or the case prosecutors are trying to build and why. Consider reading the quoted article before trying to come up with a snarky one liner.
    I have made no comment on the case what so ever.

    Your post was essentially: Trump may have broken the law, but the liberals are destroying our country and are the real threat. Therefor: Excusism, since one has nothing to do with the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramashan View Post
    I have made no comment on the case what so ever.

    Your post was essentially: Trump may have broken the law, but the liberals are destroying our country and are the real threat. Therefor: Excusism, since one has nothing to do with the other.
    The only evidence they have that Trump is being targeted or treated unfairly is "I don't like it!"

    It's especially laughable coming from the party that has a long sordid history of attempting to use the legal system to go after it's enemies, or even people who just happen to be related to it's enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    The only evidence they have that Trump is being targeted or treated unfairly is "I don't like it!"

    It's especially laughable coming from the party that has a long sordid history of attempting to use the legal system to go after it's enemies, or even people who just happen to be related to it's enemies.
    There is more than enough evidence to suggest that Trump's prosecution has political undertones. There is a lot more to this for his supporters than "I don't like it".

    As for your second point, what it reads like is that it's not that the legal system is not being weaponised against Trump to serve the DNC's vendetta against him, no, it's that the GOP did it first. I'm afraid, that's not a very good argument. It may be discrediting the GOP's moral high ground, but it doesn't excuse the DNC's failings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alastor View Post
    There is more than enough evidence to suggest that Trump's prosecution has political undertones. There is a lot more to this for his supporters than "I don't like it".

    As for your second point, what it reads like is that it's not that the legal system is not being weaponised against Trump to serve the DNC's vendetta against him, no, it's that the GOP did it first. I'm afraid, that's not a very good argument. It may be discrediting the GOP's moral high ground, but it doesn't excuse the DNC's failings.
    I agree that there would not have been as much woohaaa if it wasn't Trump. The Democrats are using this woohaa to their benefit.
    These may be problematic or not for a person but the fact is, woohaa or not, Trump may (most probably) have committed a crime and he has his legal right to defend himself.

    Politically motivated prosecution or not, it is his fault if he broke the law.

    Also, as Alastor said "the others did it first!" is not a good defense when it comes to politicizing this and trying to use the woohaa for the party's benefit. It is understandable though. And it has been happening before the Democrats and the Republicans were formed. Using scandals and anger is not exactly new in politics.
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