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    While the other questions are kinda valid, the important one is:
    Why Cyprus remains divided? We're not talking about Taiwan being a rogue province here, we're talking about a military occupation that is allowed to continue. When ISIS conquered parts of Syria and Iraq, everyone went to bomb them out of there. Even talks of China threatening Taiwan cause alarm. And yet, lackeys of Turkey are allowed to have their pseudo-state in occupied Cyprus (and many Turko-cypriots want re-unification BTW) under the presence of the Turkish army.

    The answer why Taiwan gets support while Cyprus is mostly forgotten aside of a few thumbs-up every once a while is not that hard to figure:
    The west doesn't really care about independence and liberty. That has been abundantly proven by the support Saudi Arabia gets.

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    A different case of illegal occupation and Western Hypocricy is, in my opinion, Israel and West Bank as well as the Heights of Golan.


    In my opinion, Israel illegally annexing the Heights of Golan is very similar with the Crimea situation: The Israelis have annexed a place with historical ties to them that the British foolishly passed to a different state but it is internationally recognized as part of another state and Israel's annexation is both violent and illegal.

    Then we have Israel's inexcusable actions in Palestine with the illegal occupation of West Bank, where they Donbass-ed areas that are not theirs for 55 years, with bloody conflict popping up every few years as extremists from both sides fight.
    And yet, USA hypocritically doesn't send weapons and drones to Palestinians nor they did to Assad.
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    Cyprus remains divided because Greece and Turkey are both in NATO and it's impossible to reach a solution without war as neither side will ever accept to back down.
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    What a decent thing to call survivors of a coup attempt and ethnic cleansing orchestrated by Greece and started with an invasion of Greek forces as "lackey's of Turkey."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    What a decent thing to call survivors of a coup attempt and ethnic cleansing orchestrated by Greece and started with an invasion of Greek forces as "lackey's of Turkey."
    Did the Hellenic Republic invade Cyprus? Pretty sure it was a coup attempt.

    As for the ethnic cleansing, didnt that happen with the Turkish involvement? The "lackeys" ruling the North Cypriot Turkish "state" survived a round of ethnic cleansing precipitated by the Turkish invasion surely, not before that.

    I know the Hellenes meant the Turkish Cypriots no good but the strife thetree to my mind was a relic of British colonial
    rule: Ataturk kept the peace there as elsewhere with broadminded and generous diplomacy and sober deliberation. Stupid generals and nationalists torecthe island up and they are not the exclusive property of one ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Did the Hellenic Republic invade Cyprus? Pretty sure it was a coup attempt.
    As for the ethnic cleansing, didnt that happen with the Turkish involvement? The "lackeys" ruling the North Cypriot Turkish "state" survived a round of ethnic cleansing precipitated by the Turkish invasion surely, not before that.
    I know the Hellenes meant the Turkish Cypriots no good but the strife thetree to my mind was a relic of British colonial rule: Ataturk kept the peace there as elsewhere with broadminded and generous diplomacy and sober deliberation. Stupid generals and nationalists torecthe island up and they are not the exclusive property of one ethnicity.
    The ruler of Cyprus, Makarios, at the time, called the Greeks invaders as the coup was orchestrated by the Greek contingent from Greece on the island along with officers that were from Greece controlling the National Guard.

    Makarios was right to call the coup a Greek invasion
    In this case, however, the president was overthrown by a foreign country, Greece. It was not a conventional invasion, given the invading country a) had troops in Cyprus (Eldyk) and b) its officers were in charge of the National Guard over which they had complete control. Therefore, on that fateful day, Greece – using Eldyk and the National Guard – overthrew the legal government and replaced it with a puppet-government. Foreign news media and government were informed about developments in Cyprus on July 15 and viewed them as an invasion, something that implied foreign intervention, which we were denying.
    So when Makarios spoke about an invasion at the Security Council on 19/7/1974, he was not saying anything new. What he said was not some kind of revelation to anyone. He said: “This was clearly an invasion from outside, together with a blatant violation of the independence and sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. The so-called coup was the creation of the Greek officers that make up and run the National Guard.”
    The ethnic cleansing started on 1963 when Turks were forced into enclaves to protect themselves. UN called it in a report "veritable siege." The coup in 1974 presented a chaos to throttle things up and Greeks attempted to further ethnically cleanse the island from Turks. Nikos Sampson, the president appointed by the coup later on lamented:
    Had Turkey not intervened, I would not only have proclaimed enosis; I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus.
    The Turkish intervention is merely the smoke screen Greeks use to cover up a decade long struggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    While the other questions are kinda valid,,,
    no, not at all. everything he has said could easily be discussed/disproved in other lengthy threads dedicated to those specific topics. Now you are discussing Cyprus, I could dismantle in a couple of paragraphs what he said about Spain, another could explain him some European history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    The ruler of Cyprus, Makarios, at the time, called the Greeks invaders as the coup was orchestrated by the Greek contingent from Greece on the island along with officers that were from Greece controlling the National Guard.

    Makarios was right to call the coup a Greek invasion



    The ethnic cleansing started on 1963 when Turks were forced into enclaves to protect themselves. UN called it in a report "veritable siege." The coup in 1974 presented a chaos to throttle things up and Greeks attempted to further ethnically cleanse the island from Turks. Nikos Sampson, the president appointed by the coup later on lamented:


    The Turkish intervention is merely the smoke screen Greeks use to cover up a decade long struggle.
    Very informative, I knew it was a ****-show, that's horrible and stupid of the Colonels to give Turkiyye the excuse to invade by treating Cyprus as a province to be "cleansed"-I see from a quick Google there were wannbe einsatzgruppen at work there. The UK definitely fostered the ethnic divisions but the Hellenic Right disgraced themselves as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    2. The lackey's of Turkey are not the survivors of the supposed "ethnic cleansing" but the pseudo-government supported by the Turkish army and the immigrants that Turkey brought in after they ethnic cleansed the Greeks.
    Northern Cypriot government was not proclaimed by or run by the Turkish army or immigrants from Turkey. Its done by those that survived Greece's invasion of the island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Northern Cypriot government was not proclaimed by or run by the Turkish army or immigrants from Turkey. Its done by those that survived Greece's invasion of the island.
    Even I know thats a pretty unreal statement. The Turkish army cleared out the Hellenes from the north and created a cleansed zone for the unrecognised puppet regime to rule. Ethnic Turks were shamefully expelled from the south too.

    The preconditions, support for and continuing existence of the puppet staye is the Turkish forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Even I know thats a pretty unreal statement. The Turkish army cleared out the Hellenes from the north and created a cleansed zone for the unrecognised puppet regime to rule. Ethnic Turks were shamefully expelled from the south too.

    The preconditions, support for and continuing existence of the puppet staye is the Turkish forces.
    Not sure how what those, as crudely put as they are, make what I said unreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Even I know thats a pretty unreal statement.
    So then Enosis or even Cretan Turks were all some unreal things for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    The Turkish army cleared out the Hellenes from the north and created a cleansed zone for the unrecognised puppet regime to rule.
    The Turkish Army did nothing of these things. When they landed most of so-called "hellenes" were already fleeing or already left long time ago when their so-called unification failed.

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    Ethnic Turks were shamefully expelled from the south too.
    They were not just expelled from south.

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    The preconditions, support for and continuing existence of the puppet staye is the Turkish forces.
    Funny isn´t it that it was not even the Turkish Side neither nor Turkey which refused the Annan-Plan. But it is wrong after all that happenings that some Secruity Force is there to prevent again such thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    So then Enosis or even Cretan Turks were all some unreal things for you?
    No, but I'm not an idiot. The Hellenic Kypriots didn't flee because the Turkish Army was offering them baskets of sweets and a dental plan, and the massacres were inspired and directed by outside forces, the colonels in Athens. They probably sent the murderers too. or are you arguing it wasn't an invasion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    The Turkish Army did nothing of these things. When they landed most of so-called "Hellenes" were already fleeing or already left long time ago when their so-called unification failed.
    Wait there were no Hellenes? What were they? Egyptians? No wonder they evacuated from the in front to the Turkish Army that wasn't expelling them, pining for the pyramids.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    They were not just expelled from south.
    You're right, they were expelled according to a plan hatched by some wretched Colonels in Athens (whose mentors were likely Nazi collaborators) who benefited from divisions fostered by the UK. The union of Kypros and the Hellenic Republic was not a good plan as such. Its a shame the Turkish Army made that plan partly a reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    Funny isn´t it that it was not even the Turkish Side neither nor Turkey which refused the Annan-Plan. But it is wrong after all that happenings that some Secruity Force is there to prevent again such thing?
    Well yeah, but I agree the massacres and the Colonels plot was also wrong. The UK should have taken steps in the century they had stolen the island to make a more peaceful settlement.

    Its grim to make these jokes but I am familiar with the conflict in outline because it is the same conflict the Uk fostered in India. And in Ireland. And.,.well you get the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Well yeah, but I agree the massacres and the Colonels plot was also wrong. The UK should have taken steps in the century they had stolen the island to make a more peaceful settlement.
    Turkey initially asked USA and UK to intervene, with UK having bases on the island giving it an advantage as well as being party to the guarantee treaty, when the coup started. The United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP) that was deployed on the island did basically nothing to protect the Cypriot government from Greece's attacks as well as doing nothing to protect the Turkish Cypriots. Turkish government waited four days for an answer but there was no indication that they would act, hence, the Turkish intervention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post

    Funny isn´t it that it was not even the Turkish Side neither nor Turkey which refused the Annan-Plan. But it is wrong after all that happenings that some Secruity Force is there to prevent again such thing?
    Why would the Cypriots agree with such a pro-Turkish plan? It was horrendous for the Greek side, giving a minority of 15-20% (Turkish immigrants not related to Turkish Cypriots or not invited by the Republic of Cyprus should be expelled BTW or lose their citizenship) equal power to the 80-85%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    The Turkish Army did nothing of these things. When they landed most of so-called "hellenes" were already fleeing or already left long time ago when their so-called unification failed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis...hts_violations

    "The European commission of Human Rights with 12 votes against 1, accepted evidence from the Republic of Cyprus, concerning the rapes of various Greek-Cypriot women by Turkish soldiers and the torture of many Greek-Cypriot prisoners during the invasion of the island.[117][112] The high rate of rape reportedly resulted in the temporary permission of abortion in Cyprus by the conservative Cypriot Orthodox Church. [111][118][119] According to Paul Sant Cassia, rape was used systematically to "soften" resistance and clear civilian areas through fear. "

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    "In 1989, the government of Cyprus took an American art dealer to court for the return of four rare 6th-century Byzantine mosaics that survived an edict by the Byzantine Emperor, imposing the destruction of all images of sacred figures. [...] In October 1997, Aydın Dikmen, who had sold the mosaics, was arrested in Germany in a police raid and found to be in possession of a stash consisting of mosaics, frescoes and icons dating back to the 6th, 12th and 15th centuries, worth over $50 million. "

    "In January 2011, the British singer Boy George returned an 18th-century icon of Christ to the Church of Cyprus that he had bought without knowing the origin. The icon, which had adorned his home for 26 years, had been looted from the church of St Charalampus from the village of New Chorio, near Kythrea, in 1974."

    Raping, killing, pillaging. Many of the Turkish soldiers behaved worse than animals.
    That's why the Hellenic people run.



    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    They were not just expelled from south.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis...16_August_1974
    "After the conflict, Cypriot representatives and the United Nations consented to the transfer of the remainder of the 51,000 Turkish Cypriots that had not left their homes in the south to settle in the north, if they wished to do so."

    No, of course not. They were transfered by decision of the UNITED NATIONS, after the invasion, if they wished so. Most did, taking the rich homes of the 150,000 Cypriots that have been forcefully uprooted from the North.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    You're right, they were expelled according to a plan hatched by some wretched Colonels in Athens (whose mentors were likely Nazi collaborators) who benefited from divisions fostered by the UK. The union of Kypros and the Hellenic Republic was not a good plan as such. Its a shame the Turkish Army made that plan partly a reality.
    Nope, they were transferred to homes left by the Greek Cypriots after the invasion according to a plan hatched in the United Nations.


    So, let's not pretend that the colonels, bad as they were, were as close to the brutality and evil that the Turkish army showed those days. Yes, what we did was bad. But we received four times as much pain as we delivered. Because the Turkish military heads sent violent thugs and rapists mixed in great numbers with their invading force.

    Bad as what our colonels did, the crimes of the Greek side pale in comparison to the atrocities the savages marching along the other, not-evil, Turkish soldiers did. We also had our savages, but they were both fewer and less cruel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Why would the Cypriots agree with such a pro-Turkish plan? It was horrendous for the Greek side, giving a minority of 15-20% (Turkish immigrants not related to Turkish Cypriots or not invited by the Republic of Cyprus should be expelled BTW or lose their citizenship) equal power to the 80-85%.
    Similar measures existed in 1960 constitution of Cyprus. Rejecting the Annan plan under those grounds is basically rejecting the validity of the document that validated Cypriot independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Similar measures existed in 1960 constitution of Cyprus. Rejecting the Annan plan under those grounds is basically rejecting the validity of the document that validated Cypriot independence.
    If what you say is true, which I am not sure of, then the 1960 constitution was trash made by the Brits in a way that would ensure violence and tension...
    ... on second thought, that kinda checks out for the Brits.

    But yeah, if that's what the British gave us, it was a hot turd. And since we're on that, the Brits should give Cyrpus back Akrotiri and Dekelia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Why would the Cypriots agree with such a pro-Turkish plan?
    Why it is pro-Turkish? giving them rights equal like greek-Cypriots? This is not acceptable? For who? For the greeks?

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    It was horrendous for the Greek side, giving a minority of 15-20% (Turkish immigrants not related to Turkish Cypriots or not invited by the Republic of Cyprus should be expelled BTW or lose their citizenship) equal power to the 80-85%.
    Ah yes like those greeks who settled there to increase their numbers while they are committing ethnic cleansing against the Turkish Side to just later justify the ridiculous number of 15-20%? Is that so? It would be probably better for the greeks that only a 0% existed aren´t ?

    There is no Republic of Cyprus, only a Puppet State which shows his presence in favour of a greek state. That so-called Republic of Cyprus lost long time ago the right to decide who should be expelled, lose his citizienship or even should have even right to exist.

    On the other hand they call that a minority has same rights equal like the majority democracy somehing you should know but how it comes ignored under this Thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis...hts_violations
    "The European commission of Human Rights with 12 votes against 1, accepted evidence from the Republic of Cyprus, concerning the rapes of various Greek-Cypriot women by Turkish soldiers and the torture of many Greek-Cypriot prisoners during the invasion of the island.[117][112] The high rate of rape reportedly resulted in the temporary permission of abortion in Cyprus by the conservative Cypriot Orthodox Church. [111][118][119] According to Paul Sant Cassia, rape was used systematically to "soften" resistance and clear civilian areas through fear. "
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    "In 1989, the government of Cyprus took an American art dealer to court for the return of four rare 6th-century Byzantine mosaics that survived an edict by the Byzantine Emperor, imposing the destruction of all images of sacred figures. [...] In October 1997, Aydın Dikmen, who had sold the mosaics, was arrested in Germany in a police raid and found to be in possession of a stash consisting of mosaics, frescoes and icons dating back to the 6th, 12th and 15th centuries, worth over $50 million. "
    "In January 2011, the British singer Boy George returned an 18th-century icon of Christ to the Church of Cyprus that he had bought without knowing the origin. The icon, which had adorned his home for 26 years, had been looted from the church of St Charalampus from the village of New Chorio, near Kythrea, in 1974."
    Raping, killing, pillaging. Many of the Turkish soldiers behaved worse than animals.
    That's why the Hellenic people run.
    Nope, they were transferred to homes left by the Greek Cypriots after the invasion according to a plan hatched in the United Nations.
    So, let's not pretend that the colonels, bad as they were, were as close to the brutality and evil that the Turkish army showed those days. Yes, what we did was bad. But we received four times as much pain as we delivered. Because the Turkish military heads sent violent thugs and rapists mixed in great numbers with their invading force.
    Bad as what our colonels did, the crimes of the Greek side pale in comparison to the atrocities the savages marching along the other, not-evil, Turkish soldiers did. We also had our savages, but they were both fewer and less cruel.
    Is this the same kind of deception that made forget that Greece invaded the island first and attempted a coup / ethnic cleansing on the island? Let's take a better look. The links at your Wiki links are insufficient as they fail to provide the substance supporting the texts. Case in point is the Euripean Human Rights Commission report links. Most are dead but the one that works, which for some reason labels the report SECRET, is a partial one that only contains 3 instances of the word "rape" that is show exclusively as something the Greeks claim. A better version of the report can be found here. The rape reports are overwhelmingly dependent on findings and evaluation of two people. Impartial people? Nope. One is the former deputy mayor of Nicosia and the other is a police officer from Nicosia. No fact-finding is done. No cross-examination is done. All it accomplished is to show the impartiality of European institutions against Turks.

    To put things in perspective:
    Is Settlement in Cyprus Still Possible? by Anthony Pearce
    Arbitrary arrests, murder, rape, restrictions in freedom of movement, economic blockades and innumerable other hardships became daily occurrences that the Turkish Cypriots had to suffer. The then US Undersecretary of State, George W Ball, recorded his personal experiences of events in Cyprus during that period:
    “Makarios’ central interest was to block off Turkish intervention so that he and his Greek Cypriots could go on happily butchering Turkish Cypriots.” “... the Greek Cypriots... do not want a peace keeping force; they just want to be left alone to kill Turkish Cypriots.”
    During this period Harry Scott Gibbons was covering the Middle East for the London Daily Express from Cyprus. In his book The Genocide Files, based on his own first-hand experience and eyewitness accounts of the events in Cyprus from 1963 to 1968, he notes that:
    “When Makarios became president, one of the first appointees to his cabinet was Yeorgadjis 37 who ... took control of EOKA 38 and the enosis movement. It was not long, however, before Makarios announced that he had signed the terms of the independence agreements under coercion. Enosis was still the final solution, he said. The call for union with Greece again swept the island.
    And Yeorgadjis was given the task of organising that end, the ‘final solution’ that, in order to be achieved, would of necessity mean the extermination of the Turks. And so ... Makarios, the saintly president, Yeorgadjis, the EOKA killer, and Glafkos Clerides, wartime Royal Air Force hero turned EOKA propaganda chief 39, at that time leader of the Cyprus House of Representatives and today president of Greek Cyprus, sat down and worked out a plan for genocide.”
    On the morning of 20 July Turkey launched Operation Attila, landing troops on the northern coast of Cyprus in a “peace operation” to protect the Turkish-Çypriot population. However, the Greek Cypriots struck back against Turkish Cypriot civilians. The Times correspondent observed that:
    “Thousands of Turkish Cypriots were taken hostage after the Turkish forces landed. Turkish women were raped, children were shot in the street and the Turkish quarter of Limassol was burnt out by the (Greek) National Guard.”

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    If what you say is true, which I am not sure of, then the 1960 constitution was trash made by the Brits in a way that would ensure violence and tension...
    ... on second thought, that kinda checks out for the Brits.

    But yeah, if that's what the British gave us, it was a hot turd. And since we're on that, the Brits should give Cyrpus back Akrotiri and Dekelia.
    You can easily check this. The Turkish minority deputies with 30% representation had the right to veto major bills and some other measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    No, but I'm not an idiot. The Hellenic Kypriots didn't flee because the Turkish Army was offering them baskets of sweets and a dental plan, and the massacres were inspired and directed by outside forces, the colonels in Athens. They probably sent the murderers too. or are you arguing it wasn't an invasion?
    No but the greek Cypriots already left earlier even before the Turkish Army was present there. Probably was evacuated and maybe you don´t remember but it was rather a Peace Operation rather then a Invasion or didn´t hostilities end after it? Do you agree with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Wait there were no Hellenes? What were they? Egyptians? No wonder they evacuated from the in front to the Turkish Army that wasn't expelling them, pining for the pyramids.
    What you mean with Hellenes? greek Cypriots? Aren´t they already left earlier since the hostilities was more present then a decade? If I´m wrong in that case please correct me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    You're right, they were expelled according to a plan hatched by some wretched Colonels in Athens (whose mentors were likely Nazi collaborators) who benefited from divisions fostered by the UK. The union of Kypros and the Hellenic Republic was not a good plan as such. Its a shame the Turkish Army made that plan partly a reality.
    How do you came to that conclusion that Turkish Army made something happen rather then some certain groups failure in ruling both in greece aswell cyprus. The UK did what supported the greek cypriots in forming a division?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Well yeah, but I agree the massacres and the Colonels plot was also wrong. The UK should have taken steps in the century they had stolen the island to make a more peaceful settlement.
    Well they should return it to whom they stole it rather then make it a peaceful settlement. It was peaceful in Turkish Hands while when some others started ruling over it the totally failed. A proof of that is this Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Its grim to make these jokes but I am familiar with the conflict in outline because it is the same conflict the Uk fostered in India. And in Ireland. And.,.well you get the idea.
    Well they maybe look similar in some cases but today UK is not really present in those areas beside an Island in North-Atlantic-Ocean. So we cannot really blame something on UK when someone else is going to make those mistakes.
    Last edited by Nebaki; November 23, 2022 at 02:17 PM.

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