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    So anyone remembers the democratic socialist/liberal mantra in support of corporate censorship "They are a private company and can do what they want" and all that other demagogic stuff?
    Well, it turns out those efforts weren't so private after all: recent DHS leaks shows that Biden's government was secretly administering instructions to private companies to spread disinformation and censorship that would favor his regime politically.
    In other words, alphabet agencies would give private companies "takedown" orders when they wanted a particular piece of information censored.
    While anyone with modicum of critical thinking already knew that something like that is in place at least unofficially, we now have the documentary proof for it.
    Some links:
    https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/...formation-dhs/
    https://thepostmillennial.com/dhs-le...ration-efforts

    This appears to be a gross violation of citizen's rights as well as clear attempt to stifle exchange of ideas and information in society by the government, something one would see in Iran and China, but is now also a routine in Biden's America.

    To be fair, censorship is a bipartisan issue in America. Republican party still has its reputation tarnished by its promotion of Patriot Act and similar anti-freedom legislations. That being said, Democrats, who at least on surface level were in opposition to that policy in 2000s, are now doubling down on far more insidious attempts at authoritarian levels of censorship.

    Is a legislation that would bar such government efforts overdue? How else can government be declawed from ability to engage in political censorship?
    Discuss.

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    Can we get some better sources?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Can we get some better sources?
    It’s been known since at least the time the Hunter Biden laptop story got censored as “disinformation” even though it was true. I made a thread about it. Now we have even more proof the coordination is widespread and not just a single campaign. The Intercept is a left wing publication.
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    Default Re: Biden's Ministry of Truth: Starting in 2020, DHS began meeting with Twitter, Facebook, Wikipedia and more monthly to coordinate 'content moderation' efforts

    "Biden's" "Starting in 2020".

    As I recall, Creepy Joe assumed office in January 2021. I vaguely recall some orange clown named Donald being the president in 2020.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sar1n View Post
    "Biden's" "Starting in 2020".

    As I recall, Creepy Joe assumed office in January 2021. I vaguely recall some orange clown named Donald being the president in 2020.....
    Trump passed CISA, but it was DHS that chose to "evolve" the policy into a de-facto censorship branch.
    In fact, huge part of that was suppressing information negative of Biden, as per the above links. Alphabet agencies have more "freedom" to do what they want under Democrats, so it makes sense that they formed this informational praetorian guard to limit the criticism of Biden from censorship of Hunter's laptop story when DJT was still POTUS to the lab leak theory regarding COVID.

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    It also looks like the Disinformation Board that the political establishment pretended to get rid of following public outrage was actually just to formalize existing processes. So the whole “now there is a disinfo board, now there isn’t” was all theater. Government and mega corporations really are working together to control people after all. I suppose as George Carlin said, “it’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”
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    The machinery for propaganda has been in place long before 2020. Notice how the information on the Wuhan virus (appearing just in time for the US election cycle in 2020) had largely disappeared from the public eye.

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    Almost all information in the US is controlled by 6 families who own the media conglomerates are more or less in cahoots with each other. This is small fries compared to that.
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    Once again, last year's """conspiracy theory""" becomes this year's proven reality. Can't wait for the leftoid controlled media to scream in unison how this "threatens the existence of our democracy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Adrian View Post
    Almost all information in the US is controlled by 6 families who own the media conglomerates are more or less in cahoots with each other. This is small fries compared to that.
    Every argument to reject the authority of mainstream media, scientists or other professionals in the business of finding truth could as easily be applied to amateurs claiming to do the same. And then some, because the latter usually have no mechanisms for accountability at all. If trusting mainstream media is dumb, trusting other media is even dumber. The only conclusion can be that you cannot trust any media at all. Happy debating taking that as premise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Every argument to reject the authority of mainstream media, scientists or other professionals in the business of finding truth could as easily be applied to amateurs claiming to do the same. And then some, because the latter usually have no mechanisms for accountability at all. If trusting mainstream media is dumb, trusting other media is even dumber. The only conclusion can be that you cannot trust any media at all. Happy debating taking that as premise.
    "Media is factual, because it is professional, and it is professional, because it is factual"
    That's just circular reasoning, my guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    "Media is factual, because it is professional, and it is professional, because it is factual"
    That's just circular reasoning, my guy.
    I agree it's circular. It's your reasoning though, not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Every argument to reject the authority of mainstream media, scientists or other professionals in the business of finding truth could as easily be applied to amateurs claiming to do the same. And then some, because the latter usually have no mechanisms for accountability at all. If trusting mainstream media is dumb, trusting other media is even dumber. The only conclusion can be that you cannot trust any media at all. Happy debating taking that as premise.
    In early/medium middle age the Priesthood, who required 8 years of study and training, Priests were seen as the experts on life matters and many other things. People "who did their own research" were seen as weird, or ilogical, because why would you bother to learn reading when you can just listen to what the Priests say? They already investigated everything, while you are just a beginner who occasionally struggles at reading.

    The Priests were the "experts" back then.
    We proudly think we've evolved, but technically the same dynamic is had, just replace "Priest" with "Professional" or "Expert".
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    Quote Originally Posted by fkizz View Post
    In early/medium middle age the Priesthood, who required 8 years of study and training, Priests were seen as the experts on life matters and many other things. People "who did their own research" were seen as weird, or ilogical, because why would you bother to learn reading when you can just listen to what the Priests say? They already investigated everything, while you are just a beginner who occasionally struggles at reading.

    The Priests were the "experts" back then.
    We proudly think we've evolved, but technically the same dynamic is had, just replace "Priest" with "Professional" or "Expert".
    Not quite the same thing. If a priest tell me God wants this or Hell is like this, I have no choice but to take his word on faith since God isn't taking questions from me.

    But when my doctor, for example, told me to get the Covid vaccine because he thought that with my asthma I stood a not-too-small chance of dying if I got full-on Covid I took his word for it. But I also did research and learned a little about RNA vaccines and how they work, which served to convince me my doctor knew what he was talking about and the people who told me the vaccine would steal my thought energy to power Hunter's Laptop into a doomsday device so George Soros could devour all the world's children were delusion and not very bright.

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    Not quite the same thing. If a priest tell me God wants this or Hell is like this, I have no choice but to take his word on faith since God isn't taking questions from me.

    But when my doctor, for example, told me to get the Covid vaccine because he thought that with my asthma I stood a not-too-small chance of dying if I got full-on Covid I took his word for it. But I also did research and learned a little about RNA vaccines and how they work, which served to convince me my doctor knew what he was talking about and the people who told me the vaccine would steal my thought energy to power Hunter's Laptop into a doomsday device so George Soros could devour all the world's children were delusion and not very bright.
    True, but with an important caveat: When you go out on the web to find out more about covid vaccines, you still are not making a medical judgement. It's still a matter of finding what authoritative sources are saying. The experts' colleagues are the instrument of accountability. It's our choice to use that instrument or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    True, but with an important caveat: When you go out on the web to find out more about covid vaccines, you still are not making a medical judgement. It's still a matter of finding what authoritative sources are saying. The experts' colleagues are the instrument of accountability. It's our choice to use that instrument or not.
    It comes down to two things:

    1. Occam's Razor. Either every legitimate doctor in the world is in on a massive conspiracy to poison billions and only Cletus who dropped out in 8th grade has the insight and wisdom to see the conspiracy, or Cletus is a gullible idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about and it's the doctors who are telling the truth.

    2. Real, factual experts show their work and said work can be checked. It's never just "Because I say so." If a lawyer says an action is illegal, they can show me the specific laws that make it so. A sovereign citizen/freeman on the land (seriously look these nutjobs up) can never point to any actual, clear legal documentation for why he doesn't need to pay taxes or have a driver's license to drive.
    In another example I can assure you that humans require food to live and can point to actual, documented evidence of the effects of starvation. Breatharians would have you believe that humans can live on air alone because the guy who charged them $1000s to attend his seminar said so (look up these ones if you want to lose all faith in humanity.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    Not quite the same thing. If a priest tell me God wants this or Hell is like this, I have no choice but to take his word on faith since God isn't taking questions from me.

    But when my doctor, for example,[..]
    Priests of today. You're aware that in the 8 years of study they learned way more than Theology, right?

    Simply back then talking of God was persuasive. Now it isn't, so replace it with "expert" "peer-reviewed" opinion, that is backed up by "journalists" and the "media" (or even "politician promises"). Today all of that is much more important, so logically it's what is used to appeal very sucessfully to the masses. It's a working system.

    On "ridiculous conclusions due to own research" anecdotes in your interpretation, some people who did their "own research" independent of priests ended up in ridiculous conclusions aswell.
    Others went beyond the Priests knowledge.

    All trade offs have risks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    Every argument to reject the authority of mainstream media, scientists or other professionals in the business of finding truth could as easily be applied to amateurs claiming to do the same. And then some, because the latter usually have no mechanisms for accountability at all. If trusting mainstream media is dumb, trusting other media is even dumber. The only conclusion can be that you cannot trust any media at all. Happy debating taking that as premise.
    Having a big budget is not a guarantee for trustworthiness and I would not go so far as to call Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, CBS et al professional. The mainstream media has a vested interest in presenting partisan information that maximizes outrage because it maximizes their profits. This forces those few who are actually interested in being actual journalists, i.e. the true professionals, to either go independent or move to smaller enterprises.

    You're here claiming mainstream media is trustworthy because it is professional but you have youtubers like Upper Echelon, who does not even claim to be a journalist, doing investigative journalism that is several levels of magnitude above anything that CNN or Fox have done in the past 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fkizz View Post
    Priests of today. You're aware that in the 8 years of study they learned way more than Theology, right?

    Simply back then talking of God was persuasive. Now it isn't, so replace it with "expert" "peer-reviewed" opinion, that is backed up by "journalists" and the "media" (or even "politician promises"). Today all of that is much more important, so logically it's what is used to appeal very sucessfully to the masses. It's a working system.

    On "ridiculous conclusions due to own research" anecdotes in your interpretation, some people who did their "own research" independent of priests ended up in ridiculous conclusions aswell.
    Others went beyond the Priests knowledge.

    All trade offs have risks.
    I think the big irony here is that modern scientism (as in religious belief in science) that is expressed and even enforced by Western establishment goes directly against the very basic scientific principle, upon which rational outlook itself is based.
    That being said, plenty of horrifying things from XX century were approved by "experts", "peer-reviewed", etc. from Lysenkoism in USSR and weird science of German Reich in WW2 to lobotomies in USA, or American doctors saying that smoking is good for you back in 60s.
    All in all science and scientists aren't some kind of magician sages incapable of error and who only seek the truth. Scientific bodies reflect society, and corrupt societies will have corrupted scientific process, no matter how many stamps of self-approval they put on themselves.

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