SSHIP v. 098 - archive of discussion during testing

[Muramasa1794]

Do you have any software running in the background? The game seems very sensitive to this. I had CTDs that disappeared just because I closed my internet browser which I left open in the background.
Give us your savegame so we can see if the same thing happens to us.

Here is link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQy...ew?usp=sharing

[Jurand of Cracow]

Here is link https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FQy...ew?usp=sharing

Here you've got turn 28, and turn 29.

[Silver Legionary]

Might've found an error in the descr_strat at line 5786, I think "character Robert, general, named character, age 50"
is supposed to read "character Robert, general, named character, male, age 50". With that little correction, he shows up as a proper English family member instead of a NE General's Bodyguard with no character attached.

[Jurand of Cracow]

Might've found an error in the descr_strat at line 5786, I think "character Robert, general, named character, age 50"
is supposed to read "character Robert, general, named character, male, age 50". With that little correction, he shows up as a proper English family member instead of a NE General's Bodyguard with no character attached.

thanks, @Silver Legionary, indeed! will be fixed in the patch.

Just an update to this: I still get the disinherited trait after marriage to a general UNLESS they are part of the mission where a general asks for a princess to marry. So it seems the game does not like it when a princess marries a faction general without the designated mission. I've been able to marry enemy generals and bring them to my side without trouble.

Yeah, I still haven't time to delve into the princesses traits...

[LuckyPistol]

Yeah, I still haven't time to delve into the princesses traits...

No worries, I just thought I'd give updates when I come across something new. This is the first time since vanilla that I've come across this problem.

Is it a princess trait issue or a general trait issue? I understand that the traits of the princess get reflected onto the general, so maybe the "disinherited" is a hidden trait of the princess, but from the language it sounds like the general is the problem (the nobles don't like the general the princess has married)?

[Jurand of Cracow]

No worries, I just thought I'd give updates when I come across something new. This is the first time since vanilla that I've come across this problem.

Is it a princess trait issue or a general trait issue? I understand that the traits of the princess get reflected onto the general, so maybe the "disinherited" is a hidden trait of the princess, but from the language it sounds like the general is the problem (the nobles don't like the general the princess has married)?

actually, you may be right to point out at this trait. It seems Kilo11 might have misunderstood this trait while working on the descriptions two years ago. What I see in the code is:

{WifeWasFactionHeir_desc}This man's wife could have produced possible heirs, but thanks to the character of this man the nobles won't accept his sons anymore.
{WifeWasFactionHeir_effects_desc}No effects
{WifeWasFactionHeir}Wife Disinherited

;------------------------------------------
Trait  WifeIsFactionHeir
Characters family

Level WifeWasFactionHeir
   Description WifeWasFactionHeir_desc
   EffectsDescription WifeWasFactionHeir_effects_desc
   Threshold 1 

Level WifeIsFactionHeir
   Description WifeIsFactionHeir_desc
   EffectsDescription WifeIsFactionHeir_effects_desc
   Threshold 2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger valid_heir_43 ; Characters who marry such daughters are given a trait telling the game they did that
 WhenToTest CharacterMarriesPrincess
 
 Condition SpouseTrait PrincessFactionHeir = 1
    and Trait Factionleader = 0
    and not CharFactionType venice
    and not CharFactionType pisa
    
Affects WifeIsFactionHeir 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger valid_heir_5 ; Biological sons of men married to daughters of valid claimants receive automatic weak claims if not in republic
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge
 
 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsFactionHeir = 1
    and Trait Factionleader = 0
     and Trait Usurper = 0
     and Trait BastardSon  = 0
	 and Trait WeakClaimant = 0
	 and not CharFactionType venice
  and not CharFactionType pisa
	
Affects WeakClaimant 1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger valid_heir_41b ; Daughters of claimants give their claims to their children
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart
 
 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsFactionHeir > 0
    and AgentType = princess
	and Trait PrincessWeakFactionHeir = 0
	and not CharFactionType venice
    and not CharFactionType pisa
	
Affects PrincessWeakFactionHeir 1 Chance 100

[Muramasa1794]

Here you've got turn 28, and turn 29.

Thank you

[Qattos]

Hi Everyone

Been playing this for some time, and then I started getting a CTD that won't go away no matter how many times I restart the game, which usually worked in previous cases.

I'm playing as the Abbasids, and here's my save and crash log:
system.log.txt
Abbasids.7z

Thanks in advance.

[Jurand of Cracow]

Hi Everyone

Been playing this for some time, and then I started getting a CTD that won't go away no matter how many times I restart the game, which usually worked in previous cases.

hmmmmm, no indication in the log other than it's during Rum turn... I've run it on my comp, and it crashes as well... doesn't look I can help, at least not quickly.

14:07:21.002 [game.script] [always] ------ testing rum leader for policies14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50632 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50635 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50639 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50642 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50645 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50648 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50651 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50656 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50660 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50668 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.002 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50678 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50684 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50687 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <set_event_counter> at line 50687 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50690 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <if> at line 50697 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script.exec] [trace] exec <log> at line 50763 in mods/SSHIP098/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/campaign_script.txt
14:07:21.003 [game.script] [always] ------ Script end
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Update_AI> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Update_AI_islam> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <rum> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0083b_Update_Allies> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0084b_Update_Enemies> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0085_Update_Religion> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0108_Update_Untrustworthy_Factions_Minor> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0049_P_Normalise_Non_catholic> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Global_DecreaseOverTime> fired
14:07:21.003 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Theologians_No_Guild_Bonus> fired
14:07:21.004 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Merchants_No_Guild_Bonus> fired
14:07:21.004 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Thiefs_No_Guild_Bonus> fired
14:07:21.004 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Assassins_No_Guild_Bonus> fired
14:07:21.004 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <Woodsmens_No_Guild_Bonus> fired
14:07:21.004 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <HorseBreeders_No_Guild_Bonus> fired
14:07:21.227 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

[Macaras]

Qattos, you may try to open the console and type 'surrender_regions rum' - it allowed me to pass to the next turn. Rum faction will disappear though, but they may reemerge later.

[LuckyPistol]

actually, you may be right to point out at this trait. It seems Kilo11 might have misunderstood this trait while working on the descriptions two years ago. What I see in the code is:

{WifeWasFactionHeir_desc}This man's wife could have produced possible heirs, but thanks to the character of this man the nobles won't accept his sons anymore.
{WifeWasFactionHeir_effects_desc}No effects
{WifeWasFactionHeir}Wife Disinherited

;------------------------------------------
Trait  WifeIsFactionHeir
Characters family

Level WifeWasFactionHeir
   Description WifeWasFactionHeir_desc
   EffectsDescription WifeWasFactionHeir_effects_desc
   Threshold 1 

Level WifeIsFactionHeir
   Description WifeIsFactionHeir_desc
   EffectsDescription WifeIsFactionHeir_effects_desc
   Threshold 2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger valid_heir_43 ; Characters who marry such daughters are given a trait telling the game they did that
 WhenToTest CharacterMarriesPrincess
 
 Condition SpouseTrait PrincessFactionHeir = 1
    and Trait Factionleader = 0
    and not CharFactionType venice
    and not CharFactionType pisa
    
Affects WifeIsFactionHeir 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger valid_heir_5 ; Biological sons of men married to daughters of valid claimants receive automatic weak claims if not in republic
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge
 
 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsFactionHeir = 1
    and Trait Factionleader = 0
     and Trait Usurper = 0
     and Trait BastardSon  = 0
     and Trait WeakClaimant = 0
     and not CharFactionType venice
  and not CharFactionType pisa
    
Affects WeakClaimant 1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger valid_heir_41b ; Daughters of claimants give their claims to their children
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart
 
 Condition FatherTrait WifeIsFactionHeir > 0
    and AgentType = princess
    and Trait PrincessWeakFactionHeir = 0
    and not CharFactionType venice
    and not CharFactionType pisa
    
Affects PrincessWeakFactionHeir 1 Chance 100

Interesting, so the description doesn't accurately depict the trait?

[Jurand of Cracow]

Interesting, so the description doesn't accurately depict the trait?

It doesn't. I've changed it somehow for the next version.

[Qattos]

Thanks Jurand for at least testing it, and thanks Macaras for the solution, not the best of solutions but a solution nonetheless, besides it gets rid of those pesky Rums

[Asake]

0981 fixes coming up soon, or are you working on sth specific for the next update?
asking for a friend :-p

[Belovèse]

0981 fixes coming up soon, or are you working on sth specific for the next update?
asking for a friend :-p

Actually we're working on a new "one-folder" version of 0.98, and it should come soon: Jurand merged all the team's works and I'm putting the build through various checkers and fixing small stuff here and there.

No major breakthrough from the previous April version, but a steady progress and improvements!

[_TotalWar_]

Actually we're working on a new "one-folder" version of 0.98, and it should come soon: Jurand merged all the team's works and I'm putting the build through various checkers and fixing small stuff here and there.

No major breakthrough from the previous April version, but a steady progress and improvements!

Good to know waiting for it

[Tomek2000s]

Something weird just happened, Im playing Byzantium and masons guild builded a small catholic church for me in Caesarea
https://ibb.co/ZBh1Lgf
https://ibb.co/g4pg9sQ

[Jurand of Cracow]

Something weird just happened, Im playing Byzantium and masons guild builded a small catholic church for me in Caesarea
https://ibb.co/ZBh1Lgf
https://ibb.co/g4pg9sQ

it's an interesting bug indeed, thanks - we'll have a look why it may happens and how to warn player / prevent it.

[Belovèse]

@Tomek2000s: Thanks for the report!

@Jurand: I had a quick look at descr_missions, didn't find anything suspicious but I don't know the file well.
It seems to me there's only the rewards coded here, not the gifts.
I'm reading this to see if I finde somehing: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...ide-for-Guilds

[Stivanderen]

Can some one explain the evolution script for the byzantine pronoia?