They Sold Their Souls

[basics]

YHWH took over from his mum, and then tried to rebrand heaven so it looked like it was all his own work. Satan tried to object but he was moved sideways into contracts: he's gone off the rails but there's not much to be done because he still has tenure.

Cyclops,

What! Jesus took over from His mum? The only task Mary had was to bring God into the world as a man to fulfil all that was written long before. Like a worker who thinks he can run a business better than his boss God gave him that chance in the story that unfolds, not however to be better, rather to be eventually put in his place when the story ends. Mankind was deceived when told in the garden that he could be as God and today's man is no different in falling for that one.

[antaeus]

Cyclops,

What! Jesus took over from His mum? The only task Mary had was to bring God into the world as a man to fulfil all that was written long before. Like a worker who thinks he can run a business better than his boss God gave him that chance in the story that unfolds, not however to be better, rather to be eventually put in his place when the story ends. Mankind was deceived when told in the garden that he could be as God and today's man is no different in falling for that one.

I believe you missed the satire.

[Akar]

Clearly there was a bronze age restructure in the heavens. The other gods roles were made redundant and they were paid out. Many found new roles in other religions where their specialist skills were still valuable. Others took early retirement and spend their time inspiring Hollywood films.

Technically God already existed, but only took on the present form when that restructure combined several roles under one umbrella position. Of course remuneration improved with the increased responsibility. The new position improved reporting line efficiency considerably.

The new streamlined synergies and retroactive quantum cloud based computing should propel us over our Q1 hurdles and surpass any previously expected expectations.

Mankind refined its knowledge of God, as it refines all its knowledge over time. It wasn't God that changed: it was man's understanding of Him.

Well that's convenient, isn't it?

[razerbelkin]

This one hurts, I loved their S&M Album.

[Cope]

Well that's convenient, isn't it?

It's how we learn. A thousand years ago men used trebuchets; now we have rockets. But the laws of physics didn't change.

[fkizz]

Abiogenesis.

where does abiogenesis come from? why abiogensis and not the other plethora of options?

[Akar]

where does abiogenesis come from? why abiogensis and not the other plethora of options?

fkizz,

What other plethora of options?

Akar

[Alexander78]

Gentlemen, if we are disappointed in God and say that he does not exist, this is not the worst thing, the main thing is that he does not start doing the same tricks with us.

[basics]

Alexander78,

No my friend, the worst thing is not believing God and then having to give an account of that when faced by Him.

[antaeus]

Alexander78,

No my friend, the worst thing is not believing God and then having to give an account of that when faced by Him.

I think if God is all knowing and all powerful, no accounting would be required, that's just an inefficient double handling of information that is already known. That would be a waste of God's time. God has an entire organisation to run.

Unless of course, God is just there to make you behave in this world. Like a mafia enforcer.

[razerbelkin]

I think, all this is just a sort of "test life", where our behaviour determines our position in the afterlife.
I find Alois Irlmaier to be a very strong indicator for a living God, don´t you think so antaeus?
Or how would you explain his visionary gifts?
(sorry for a little off topic here, but I am very interested in an atheist´s answer to Irlmaier).

[antaeus]

No, sorry razerbelkin. You haven't presented a case that is compelling outside the existing belief framework. As in, there are too many holes in the story to convince a sceptic.

[alhoon]

Where do they find time to be personable, driven and good at networking?

From their devilish powers. (I am sarcastic)

Do I believe possession is possible? Not entirely sure, especially for baptized people.
Do I believe many of these people are serving the devil with what they do, whether they recognize it or not? Eh... yes. But they are not worse than people that sell drugs. Or people that rob others for money.
In essence, drug lords, criminals that con old people out of their life savings etc have sold their souls for money and power.

Gentlemen, if we are disappointed in God and say that he does not exist, this is not the worst thing, the main thing is that he does not start doing the same tricks with us.

He will not abandon us, Alexander. Our mothers may, in 0.01% chance turn their backs on us. God will never do that.

[basics]

Once again, Jesus said unto the Jewish leader who had come to Him in the night, " A man must be born again of the Spirit of God if he is to enter heaven..." Baptism is not mentioned, why? Because water saves no-one, for, it is the Spirit of God Who saves by giving the new believer a new heart built on the Faith of Jesus Christ imputed to that person the moment they are born again. Jesus after saying these words turned to the man and said in my words, " You have been a religious leader for so long and yet you don't know that? " I say that you people have been reading your Bibles and yet you don't know that? " Baptism after being born again is but a sign of rising from the grave as Jesus did thus identifying with Him. Baptism without regeneration means nothing.

[Alexander78]

The same can be said about holy communion. No one is saved by wine and bread. Isn't that what you think? With all due respect, Basics, but I think that you have your own purely individual view of all these things. And it's very specific. Anticipating the further development of this conversation, I immediately want to say that I am too lazy to go into disputes on this issue. This will take us very far, but everyone will still stand by their opinion.

[basics]

Alexander78,

When Jesus spoke at the supper about the bread and wine He was using them as a figure for what He was about to do for men in their sin. In reality it would be His body and His blood that would pay the price and that's why we remember it each time we partake of it. For many that happens every meal that they have but for some only at set church times. In other words Jesus should never be out of our minds because of Who He is as well as what He did for us. So no, communion doesn't save anyone yet nonetheless it could lead to salvation.

[fkizz]

fkizz,

What other plethora of options?

Akar

Akar,
I'll reply to your questions if you reply to mine.

where does abiogenesis come from? why abiogensis

[ggggtotalwarrior]

This one hurts, I loved their S&M Album.

The degree to which you take random small YT channels by nutjobs as gospel/fact and decide to personally cancel any public figures from your personal life is pretty ing ridiculous not gonna lie. Using some random person’s YT as proof that an individual “sold their soul to the devil” is the thought process of a mentally ill person

[Akar]

Akar,
I'll reply to your questions if you reply to mine.

where does abiogenesis come from? why abiogensis

Abiogenesis is the term used to describe a variety of evolutionary steps that result in the creation of biological life from non living matter. It didn't "come" from anywhere, it's just a term we use to describe a process.

Your question of "why abiogenesis" doesn't really make any sense. Are you asking why we chose that word?

[Sir Adrian]

Once again, Jesus said unto the Jewish leader who had come to Him in the night, " A man must be born again of the Spirit of God if he is to enter heaven..." Baptism is not mentioned, why? Because water saves no-one, for, it is the Spirit of God Who saves by giving the new believer a new heart built on the Faith of Jesus Christ imputed to that person the moment they are born again. Jesus after saying these words turned to the man and said in my words, " You have been a religious leader for so long and yet you don't know that? " I say that you people have been reading your Bibles and yet you don't know that? " Baptism after being born again is but a sign of rising from the grave as Jesus did thus identifying with Him. Baptism without regeneration means nothing.

Except that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist specifically to set an example what being born again means. Simply declaring yourself born again does not make it so. Also baptism does not save you. Baptism is simply getting on the road to salvation.