Borg philosophy

[Amorphos]

Borg philosophy

are the borg actually superior to us?

What if you had a borg-like species that were pure and perfect something like robo-buddhists with sexy and strong modified bodies. [In general terms, let us say for argument thet these beings had superior brains and were spiritually enlightened, weather that is buddhist or christian or whatever]

[Richard]

If the Cyclons taught us anything, it is that perfection + robots = doom

[rez]

Imperfection is freedom.

Freedom is paramount.

[Tom Paine]

I'll use not the borg but the Enderian buggers, because they share the same aspect that I criticise. That is, no matter how many buggers/borg one destroys, one is killing not one individual being. Throughout Borg history there is only one being, only one story, only one mind. This is essentially inferior, IMO.

[LegionnaireX]

Well, if that ever were to happen, resistance would be futile.

[Cluny the Scourge]

The Enderian buggers respected life (when they finally recognised that individual humanity WAS life as they knew it), sought peace and reconciliation, did not understand the concept of lying, and had no desire for conquest - only to spread and grow, and where they met other lifeforms to do so in collaboration with them. The Borg actively MAKE individuals into part of them, for their own good.

[Tom Paine]

The Enderian buggers respected life (when they finally recognised that individual humanity WAS life as they knew it), sought peace and reconciliation, did not understand the concept of lying, and had no desire for conquest - only to spread and grow, and where they met other lifeforms to do so in collaboration with them. The Borg actively MAKE individuals into part of them, for their own good.

As I said, the sole aspect shared is the one I find a serious problem with, that of the hive mind, the single-story throughout the history of the race.

[Roy Batty]

Borg philosophy

are the borg actually superior to us?

What if you had a borg-like species that were pure and perfect something like robo-buddhists with sexy and strong modified bodies. [In general terms, let us say for argument thet these beings had superior brains and were spiritually enlightened, weather that is buddhist or christian or whatever]

No, the borg are not superior to us. They are a fictional culture of the Star Trek (Next Generation) universe which produces nothing superior to anything except Q. Q stands for Qool.

As to sexy "robo buddhists" this initially sounded like a fantastic idea until you ruined it with such phrases as "superior brains" and "spiritually enlightened" That would make it kind of hard to get into their pants.

[Amorphos]

C A T

i would visualise them leather clad with whips, so they can assimilate me all they want.

Of course there are various analogies to the borg idea that exist in world culture! Religion, politics and the increasing lack of social diversity generally may be seen as borg like. Pc unto blandness n all that. the way humanity is being streamlined into a single way is imo totally unqool.

[Roy Batty]

C A T

i would visualise them leather clad with whips, so they can assimilate me all they want.

Of course there are various analogies to the borg idea that exist in world culture! Religion, politics and the increasing lack of social diversity generally may be seen as borg like. Pc unto blandness n all that. the way humanity is being streamlined into a single way is imo totally unqool.

Is this a reference to globalization?! Are you accusing us Americans of being *goooo!* Borg?! No, but really, I agree, less diversity is not a good thing.

I would disagree with you that there is an increasing lack of social diversity however, at least here in the 'States. It seems to be every day that there is some new group of renegades springing up and thrusting their "new" unwanted "culture" at me (usually in the form of a podcast or music video, sadly). No, the more pressure you put on a teenager to conform, the more likely that they never will, in my opinion.

As I said, the sole aspect shared is the one I find a serious problem with, that of the hive mind, the single-story throughout the history of the race.

Not surprising when you consider that such a thing is, you know... totally inhuman. Regardless, is it not interesting that the efficiency, order, and selflessness prevalent in hive-minded cultures, -whether it be ants, Borg, or Heinlen's Bugs- are attributes we as human beings tend to esteme?

[Tom Paine]

Selflessness is not present, because there is no self to sacrafice in the end. prize individuality over order and efficiency, however.

[Amorphos]

C a t

nah i wouldn't accuse Americans of that – not when the world including them has been almost completely Anglicised [assimilated].
Yes you are probably right in that whilst there is an amount of cultural unification going on, there are many groups splintering off on tangents – perhaps in response to this!

[Samuel_the_Great!]

basically i think u guys are taking this way to literaly.If somthing that knew how to live precisly right and had no war or hunger could take over i would be happy.

[Tom Paine]

basically i think u guys are taking this way to literaly.If somthing that knew how to live precisly right and had no war or hunger could take over i would be happy.

If it could also adapt to the rapidly, rapidly changing situations of the real world, then maybe. But actually we aren't taking it too literally.... since one of the discourse is the thread starter, he can't take himself too literally.

[Amorphos]

Damn right,taking things literally would make us borg-like, yet the world is far more intricate/absurd than that. You could never arrive at a society which knew how to live precisely, nothing is itself completely so there is no 'precisely' – such is life.
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Nothing that is except 'it' you are an 'it', the chair you are sitting on is an 'it', the world, universe, omniverse and god/goddess are all 'it' - everything is it, so it is exactly and precisely itself. But what is it.

[Gazi Husrev-Beg]

Hmm, tough question.Borg kan only evolve through assimilating other species and integreting their tecnology with theirs.Just remeber Voyager, Scorpion...Borg havent assimilated all species in their native delta quadrant becouse they were, eh not worthy so to say...primitive :/