Russia, US, Ukraine, and the Future

[Cyclops]

New tech just dropped, Belarus have added cope buckets to their tanks.

[Morifea]

A little part of me really hopes that Belarus will engage... their army will fall apart and Lukashenko will be thrown down.

[Mithradates]

New tech just dropped, Belarus have added cope buckets to their tanks.

Thats a Military Incense Burner, it gives +2 to exorcism and desatanisation.

A little part of me really hopes that Belarus will engage... their army will fall apart and Lukashenko will be thrown down.

Yeah, Lukashenko would not dare to send the army, half of them would instantly surrender, the other half would join the Ukrainians haha

[conon394]

Well to be fair the cages around the side if of the proper construction are potentially useful for keeping basic MANPADs like a simple old RPG from managing a mission kill/delay because it knocks a track off or something. The top structure seems silly in that its likely causing more difficulties in the operation of the tank than any really useful defense against a modern anti take weapon.

[conon394]

A little part of me really hopes that Belarus will engage... their army will fall apart and Lukashenko will be thrown down.

How fast can Tsikhanouskaya arrive in Minsk after protected little green from Poland and the Baltics after the army collapses?

[Heathen Hammer]

Fixed that for you.

Putin having palaces doesn't negate Zelensky having the same thing. Both Russia and Ukraine are post-soviet oligarchies with same lack of openness, transparency and huge presence of corruption (though neoliberal regimes in West are trying to catch up to them in those metrics). Crude propaganda attempts to paint Ukraine as some sort of high-functioning liberal democracy are just globalist cope.

[Ludicus]

Who is Paul D’Anieri, the author of “Ukraine and Russia: from Civilized Divorce to Uncivil war” Wikipedia

Interview with Paul D'Anieri: “O Ocidente está neste jogo estranho em que quer que a Ucrânia ganhe, mas não muito”
“The West is in this strange game where it wants Ukraine to win, but not by much”
“We have this idea that if Ukraine wins by a lot, Putin might use nuclear weapons”.

He adds, “Who will control the Russian-occupied territories is being decided on the battlefield”

Further on, he says, "One only has to look at a map to see that it will be very difficult for Ukraine to recover Crimea...…It is also difficult to know how any Russian government - be it Putin or any other - will voluntarily agree to the return of this territory to Ukrainian hands… many people in Ukraine know this, but it is difficult for them to accept this outcome”.

"I always say that anyone who can tell us what happens at the end of the war is a madman and we should not listen to him”

” If the Ukrainian forces continue to gain ground, then Russia will have a very difficult decision, and may or may not decide to go to nuclear war”
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So far, so good. But then he concludes,

"Over the next few weeks either the Ukrainians continue to gain territory, or this Russian mobilization will stop Ukrainian advances. Then we will have two or three years of war and at some point, we will reach a stalemate. Then we will have to talk about peace”

Well, I don't think it will be possible to continue this war for 2 or 3 years, what would be left of Ukraine by then? The upcoming winter and the progressive destruction of energy facilities, light and electricity will make life unbearable for the Ukrainian civilian population.If the moment of stalemate that will force peace negotiations is two or three years from now, then the US/Ukraine could very well start negotiating peace right now- if not within a few months.

As for Europe, economic experts say that it will enter a deep recession in 2023, or even earlier. Inflation is rampant, the price of essential goods is rising every month, the price of energy has skyrocketed, and here, there are even people selling their furniture at home to buy food. Watch the news, CCN video, Trocam móveis por alimentos: “Eu não vou roubar para dar comer aos meus filhos. Prefiro passar por isto a roubar"

The crisis is still setting in and already people are trading furniture for food, “I will not steal to feed my children. I'd rather go through this than steal”

The social drama grows daily. Two or three more years of this? At the end of that time there will no longer be a viable state in Ukraine, and what will happen to Europe? The seriousness of these issues needs to be considered.

The New York Times now gives a realistic assessment of the situation,

Biden Faces New Challenges With Coalition on Ukraine Support

The domestic and international consensus has shown signs of fraying as midterm elections loom in the United States and Europeans face the prospect of a cold winter.

the restiveness on the left served as a warning sign of fatigue after eight months of war financed in large part by American taxpayer dollars.

The emerging erosion of support for the current strategy is more pronounced on the political right. Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, positioned to be the new House speaker if Republicans win the House next month as expected, last week threatened to curb future aid to Ukraine.

On the other side of the ocean, European allies facing the onset of cold weather see the future course of the conflict with Russia in different ways.
Some former Soviet-bloc countries in Eastern Europe want Russia firmly defeated and its troops driven out of all of Ukraine, including Crimea, while countries like Germany, France and Italy believe such a full-scale victory is unrealistic and worry that Washington is not thinking clearly about how the war might end.

I would like to mention again an "uncomfortable" reality. In Germany, majority (77%) wants negotiations on the end of the war. War in Ukraine: Poll: Majority wants negotiations on end of war
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And in the United States, as Ukraine war escalates, new poll finds Americans want US to pursue talks to end the conflict, even if it means making concessions to Russia, Poll: Americans support quick diplomatic end to war in Ukraine

Nearly 60 percent of Americans would support the United States engaging in diplomatic efforts “as soon as possible” to end the war in Ukraine, even if that means Ukraine having to make concessions to Russia, according to a new poll.

The survey, conducted by Data for Progress on behalf of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, also found that a plurality (49 percent) said the Biden administration and Congress have not done enough diplomatically to help end the war (37 percent said they had).

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It's also enlightening to read that for 94% of Americans, this war that is gradually destroying the European economy is of little importance,

Just six percent said Russia’s war in Ukraine is among the top three most important issues facing the United States today, with the top three being inflation (46 percent), jobs and the economy (31 percent), and gun violence (26 percent).

[Prodromos]

Can the Ukrainians accept being invaded by a genocidal foreign power already? My favorite brand of canned tuna is $3 now

[conon394]

So ludicus you did not fact drill down a see what a mess of leading questions the Quincy Institute produced no doubt to support the now retracted a rather stupid letter a few foolish democrats in congress accidentally signed.

[Sar1n]

New tech just dropped, Belarus have added cope buckets to their tanks.

The principle is surprisingly sound, it just needs to burn several times hotter and be attached to a tank built with reduced heat signature.

[saamohod]

Putin having palaces doesn't negate Zelensky having the same thing.

WTF are you talking about? Resorting to lies when no more arguments left?

[saamohod]

New tech just dropped, Belarus have added cope buckets to their tanks.

[EmperorBatman999]

It might as well be Putinocchio, considering all the lies he’s told.

[AqD]

That's a warm fantasy, but not warm enough to heat an average apartment during winter.

This was the choice our governments made, not the result of the war. And IMO it was not necessary but perhaps useful at turning whole populations against Russia.

We could totally bombard their positions while smiling to them, keeping trades and gas pipes open. Would they say no? They need it as much as we do, and we'd win in the end either way because our money is better spent than theirs.

Who "they"? Soldiers that were forcefully conscripted?

It was their decision to make, as a country. Or would you suggest people should be able to escape tax if they see it as theft?

Pro-Russian civilians that face murder and torture for speaking out in favor of the other side?

Aren't you worrying too much about the opinions of those who lost their mind? They belong to psychiatric wards, like the rest of Putin's supporters.


And you still haven't explained, why should we not support the resistance against someone who has been stabbing us in the back for more than a decade? (and no, us stabbing them is not an excuse, we're not talking about ethics here)

[fkizz]

1) Nah, its because jesuits are the Catholic ISIS, more or less.

Actually Jesuits were created during the counter reform to have a persuasive dialogue based alternative that would eventually make the inquisition obsolete, as it was concluded that Inquisition didn't offer results in preventing Protestantism in the 1500s.

But sure, those pesky scientists and status-quo-questioning heretics had it coming.

Creator of Big Bang Theory is a Catholic Priest, George Lemaicre. Biggest sponsorships of the Renaissance Period, including the Leonardo da Vinci, was the Catholic Church. It really depends on the period and the people sitting in it.

2) More people died in Hugenot massacre then under Ivan IV's whole rule. Turns out, his Oprichina were the clueless casuals in comparison to civilized Western Europe of its time. Kinda also explains why minorities in Russia were always much less oppressed then in Europe or North America.

By Oprichina I implied the sucessors aswell, like Cheka and NKVD, Stalin's purges. Playing with numbers is also part of the skillset.

You forget to mention when the French "Christian" King the Albigensian Crusade on which Christians were the literal targets to be killed. Templars refuse to join, and a precedent to begin the Templar persecution is born.

Then one day, for "no reason at all" French Revolution appears "absolutely out of nowhere".

The Hugenot Massacre comes in the context of the 30 years war events, from which you can also find acts where Protestants killed a good number of Catholics. It wasn't a daily thing, neither black and white.
There's also the Latin Massacre, rarely mentioned due to questioning the narrative, so I won't elaborate much.

I also think that you missed the point, which is that Western elites consists of people with and insane beliefs. And some of these schizos in Western governments have nuclear codes.

Yeah there's pretty questionable things some members of the western elite got into, but this Mantra has been repeated since the cold war, is there anything new...

[Septentrionalis]

Russia has ceased the Black Sea Grain Initiative and there are no more ships leaving Ukrainian ports and no more food being exported. Let people who have nothing to do with this conflict starve for all they care.

[Coughdrop addict]

Russia has ceased the Black Sea Grain Initiative and there are no more ships leaving Ukrainian ports and no more food being exported. Let people who have nothing to do with this conflict starve for all they care.

And their trusty apologists are already parroting the Kremlin talking point. "It's all the fault of NATO! They're forcing Russia to do it!"

[Ludicus]

The Nord Stream Sabotage. Three Inquiries, but No Answers to Who Blew Holes in Nord .NYTimes..

Denmark, Germany and Sweden…they remain tight-lipped over who might have caused the damage and why.
“There is a lot of secrecy still going on,” said Jens Wenzel Kristoffersen, a commander in the Danish Navy and a military analyst at the Center for Military Studies at the University of Copenhagen

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Sweden claims that the matter is too sensitive to share the collected evidence with any country, including Germany! Sweden shuns formal joint investigation of Nord Stream leak ...

Sweden has rejected plans to set up a formal joint investigation team with Denmark and Germany to look into the recent ruptures of the Nord Stream 1 and 2… “This is because there is information in our investigation that is subject to confidentiality directly linked to national security," Ljungqvist told Reuters.

Germany’s Chief Federal Prosecutor has launched an investigation on the grounds of alleged “anti-constitutional sabotage”. So, the investigation must be carried through to the end, no matter who it hurts.

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A Europe with zero Russian gas is unimaginable, as Asian competition for supplies heats up. Supply problem could last until 2025 if Ukraine war continues and Russian gas does not return, says Qatar energy minister Europe at risk of 'much worse' energy crisis next year, warns

Kaabi warned that he could not envisage a future where “zero Russian gas” flowed to Europe. “If that’s the case, then I think the problem is going to be huge and for a very long time,” he said. “You just don’t have enough volume to bring [in] to replace that gas for the long term, unless you’re saying ‘I’m going to be building huge nuclear [plants], I’m going to allow coal, I’m going to burn fuel oils.’”

Meanwhile, Exxon's record-smashing Q3 profit nearly matches Apple's

[conon394]

The Ukrainian attack of the port of Sevastopol is interesting. If Ukraine manged to really light the Admiral Makarov (and other ships) up with navel drones that would be impressive for them. And let's face kinda humiliating to Russia since thay seem to loosing a navel war to a country with no navy. But it probably suggests anyone who has a navy should probably start thinking about adding a lot more of what would have been called anti submarine and or torpedo nets in the military harbors.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Nonono you are not up to date, it was the british Secret Service, who attacked the Admiral Makarov from a Grain Vessel. They also blow up NS 1 and 2.

Russian Foreign Ministry has proofs soon (some recycled James Bond movie).