"Lay these words to heart, Lucilius, that you may scorn the pleasure which comes from the applause of the majority. Many men praise you; but have you any reason for being pleased with yourself, if you are a person whom the many can understand?" - Lucius Annaeus Seneca -
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
Well, you could make that statement about the US also.
The circumstances that allowed the Crimean annexation and the Donbass conflict in 2014 aren't likely to be available again; whatever the Russians are able to hold once the conflict stops is likely to be the limit of their effective reach (in the west anyway).
So the defenders at Mariupol have surrendered: Mariupol defenders begin surrender as Ukraine declares them ‘heroes’
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IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
More or less all bad options. I mean Putin's rep (for being smart) is really now clearly over rated. He absolutely failed to note how difficult a time the US (vastly more wealthy and not under sanctions) had trying to put the pieces back together in Iraq - with a lot less damage.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Russia threatened with nuclear weapons so many times that no one now believes their bluffs.
Russia must withdraw troops as part of peace deal, say Scholz and Zelenskyy
There should be no face-saving for Vladimir Putin at the expense of Ukrainian territorial integrity, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy agreed on a phone call Tuesday.
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Comes and goes seemingly. I seem recall Putin payed for big time redo of Grozny after it was leveled (Although I suppose outside of that the countryside got no real investment) and a fair investment in the Crimea (but again the occupied Donbas seemed to not the get the Midas touch). Thing is this time he looking a big bite and one he going to have a really hard time swallowing, along with an occupation and recapitalizing his army and I guess a bit or more than a bit of loosing to China on the cheap side of arms sales.My guess it will be mostly left in ruins with a few new buildings popping up here and there. Considering Viipuri/Viborg/Vyborg still has ruins in the center of it since ww2. Russia cares little for the areas it conquers.
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To some extent yes. But also a bit of No. Rattling that saber to try to get NATO to stop shipping weapons and aid is almost assuredly bluster that was aimed cracking the alliance politically and keeping Finland say from doing what it is going to do. But if he directly annexes the Ukrainian territory he occupies than is a more real threat. He would be defending the Motherland. Not saying he will do it but it something that require more thought in response.
Last edited by conon394; May 17, 2022 at 12:37 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Yes, but defending the Motherland from whom? From the Ukrainians? Russia cant nuke Ukraine because that would be the complete acknowledgment that Russia is weak and they need to use nuclear weapons to stop the Ukrainian army. That cannot be allowed to happen.
And there is nobody else to nuke, NATO is not attacking Russia.
I get that. The problem remains that this whole invasion was not logical or well thought out. And implemented with I dunno equal parts of ineptitude and hubris. I am not saying Putin 's foaming at the mouth insane. I don't think he is that. But he is increasingly running out of ways to paint this as any kind of victory go home and also a 'peace' where the Ukraine either stops fighting and also does not support an insurgency in what he has taken. He does seem like a man will to hold to the path he picked and he seems to holding both the Russian population and the elites around to that. Thus day by day I am not sure some kind of tactical nuclear use does become the next step. A tactical use against a Ukrainian mass of some of their best forces?
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
I recon that the Ukrainians are aware of that and they are not massing troops in places to invite nukes, also I remember Zelensky saying that a nuclear strike against Ukraine will make them go on a full out war against Russia.
On a sidenote, NATO does not differentiate between tactical or strategic nukes, thats another reason why Russia shouldnt try their luck by deploying nuclear weapons.
One hopes not. But I am not counting out some kind of demonstration on not claimed Russian Ukraine out of the window. Not a strike on NATO that would be the path of lunacy but I just think a not high civilian target inside not Russian occupied territory is no longer a near zero proposition.
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IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
The Russians have been claiming (not without reason) that the Ukrainian military is essentially an American/European proxy.
I don't think Putin cares too much about the implications of such an 'acknowledgement' either, since he can just prevent anyone in Russia from pointing it out.