So he got his pound of flesh for showboating but Erdogan should be careful he is not making friends. Russia won't be happy and NATO countries will remain annoyed.
So he got his pound of flesh for showboating but Erdogan should be careful he is not making friends. Russia won't be happy and NATO countries will remain annoyed.
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But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
You directly stated that the Russians didn't go for a coup.
The definition of strategy greatly differs from the definition of scale, I'm quite surprised you don't know this.None of which even approaches in scale the unjustified Russian invasion of Ukraine. You're comparing punching one person to a mass shooting.
This claim is both unsourced and easily proven false.What are you on about? Kennedy literally withheld air support to the operation soon after it started.
We saw the buildup of troops for months; it was pretty obvious it'd end up happening when negotiations failed.You don't need 5 million soldiers to overwhelm the Baltic states. As for the rest of your hyperbole, many people said the same about a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Heck, I myself didn't think it would happen up until 2 or so weeks before it actually did. I didn't think Putin would be that stupid.
Yet another claim contradicting military historians, without stating sources. Not really surprised by this point.Sigh. Let's see, invasions of Russia from the west: ww2, maybe ww1 but I wouldn't call that an invasion of Russia, what's next.. Napoleon? And then the time of troubles in the early 17th century? And that's.. literally it. That's all of the "constant invasions of Russia from the west". All other times Russia was fighting in the west were either the result of Russian agression, or involvement in conflicts not in Russian territory.
So yes, I disagree with those particular historians, in that I don't think 4 times in roughly 500 years constitutes a constant.
From the official NATO point of view the Baltics are a tripwire as they're very weak militarily speaking and horrible from a strategic perspective, they're simply buffer states that delay any potential advance. The Baltics are strategically natural buffer states, so that's not really surprising.It is required when said countries vehemently do not want to be buffer states bordering one of the most aggressive countries in our day and age.
Even if you did link something to American sources, which you didn't, only Russian archives can reveal the true state of affairs in 60+ years.Obviously the Russians haven't admitted it. What do you want me to quote, american intel? The Americans named February 16th as the date the invasion would start.
That's another unsourced claim you're making. According to my links, they have had aspirations to become independent since being in the USSR.Because they're separatists, but they've been backed by Russia the whole time. They're Russian puppet states, like the DNR and LNR.
Also, civil unrest is not civil war.
Nothing changed? This looks like another unsourced claim. You realize the entire western world called it a Russian invasion in 2008, right? Obviously it became external at that point, else they wouldn't have termed it a Russian invasion.But you've described territory controlled by South Ossetia and Abkhazia as part of a civil war, and then mentioned 20% controlled by Russia. Where is that 20%? You're speaking of territory controlled by the aformentioned 2 puppet states. This means that the Russian invasion in 2008 changed nothing in regards to this being a "civil war".
The basic fact is that a Russian military occupation supersedes any talk of rights, and brings things down to "will we look weak or have to go to war, if a state occupied by Russia joins NATO?".Russia has no right to decide who Ukraine can and can't ally.
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At the current rate, I'm not certain they'll be able to replace losses that quickly. The current war has been far more costly in materiel and manpower than all of Russia's previous efforts since 1945 combined.
Well, that's probably because Ukraine has only existed as an independent state for 30 years, and the paradigm shifts that should have rendered such concerns obsolete is older than that. Unfortunately the Russians never seem to have realized this.
True (although it'd probably be more accurate to say they seek unification with North Ossetia rather than Russia as such). Probably the more relevant question is whether or not separation from Georgia has genuine popular support, which to the best of my knowledge is the case.
Sweden and Finland (states that were already part of the EU with its own security guarantees) *pay* into NATO by having their own modern militaries that stand as a bulwark against Russian expansionism. The United States is a superpower and dominant member of NATO, but it is our network of allies that ensures peace, stability, and geopolitical counterweights positioned around western Russia. The Russian Federation has very clearly made itself into an adversary in trying to emulate the fallen USSR. Creating additional alliances with capable states possessing quality military forces like those of Sweden and Finland is a boon to NATO, not some burdensome debt of the USA as you obnoxiously seem to think.
What exactly do you mean?
I really hope it not some reference to Trumps rhetoric...
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Err so you also support that Lithuanian and Poland have a valid historical fear of Russian aggression and can act accordingly?Yet another claim contradicting military historians, without stating sources. Not really surprised by this point.
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IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Also Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Czech, Hungary, Romania, Moldova and Bulgaria. And the list does not include Siberian tribes owning rich oil fields but conquered, culture-genocided, deliberately kept poor for centuries and brainwashed to be cannon fodders.
Given the past, of course Putin is afraid - like a serial killer losing the weapon arm and now scared of his victims' families.
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I don't care about some sort of European mega state, commies gonna commie. We could crush Russia without any NATO allies, and our umbrella of protection is the only thing Europe has to stop a Russian advance. Boohoo for Europe, but we are your only salvation. So yes, taking on two more whiny European countries who refuse to pay what they agreed to pay for defense is definitely an added burden on the US, especially when said European states do not pay their dues and then gloat about all their glorious social programs and mock the US when we guarantee your defense and have since 1945. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Depends, do you mean where NATO "allies" default on their promises and have no consequences or where Trump predicted Germany and eventually all of Western Europe would be reliant upon Russian energy imports and now they are screwed. I don't really need to ask since both of those predictions have come true. I do love the smug European attitude though, two centuries of world wars and genocide has not dampened European arrogance.
How hard is it for us to hang on?
The Russians have an actual genocide-like plan for Ukraine and their wreckage leaks information about their ethical and political stance: It's "Russia has to win, no matter what. Local resistance is to be broken, we russify the Ukrainian population and everyone who opposes us gets destroyed, preferably physically, and we bring along the gear for removing a mass of civilian bodies with us".
There is no ethical question here anymore. Russia has to be humiliated utterly. Do not pity them. They need to be defeated.
Hahaha, oh god. Can't even make this up any more. The memes are alive.
"Russia's threatened attack on Rumania was in the last analysis equally intended to gain possession of an important base, not only of Germany's but also of Europe's economic life, or at least destroy it. The Reich, especially since 1933, sought with unending patience to gain States in Southeast Europe as trading partners. We therefore also had the greatest interest in their internal constitutional consolidation and organization. Russia's advance into Rumania and Greece's tie-up with England threatened to turn these regions, too, within a short time into a general theatre of war."
I will never understand why we, as Americans, continue to insist on intervening in European forever wars. We gain nothing and lose everything. I wish we would leave all the Euros to just destroy themselves in idiot wars. You're beyond redemption.
The US is mortally intertwined in the global market. This alone should bring out the single minded stoic in you in this case. But it's more than this.
We shouldn't be, but sellout America last idiots like Biden have sold us out. But still, no. Europe, for once take care of your own problems without an American bank roll.
The US does act out of self interest already. It always does, surprise.
And I am here to tell you I disagree with and reject whatever "logic" has gone into Euro-intereventionalism. Our corrupt globalist overlords surely act out of self interest.
Neither you or me have any say in it. It's just happening man.
The Duma made the proposal that conscripts can now convert directly to contract service immediately upon being drafted, allowing conscripts to be legally eligible to fight in Ukraine immediately.
Normaly the contract can be concluded only three months after the start of the service ie. after finishing basic training.
What could go wrong...
"To send the common people to war untrained is to throw them away." —Confucius.
Man, if only this was addressed in the quote you've provided.
The definition of strategy greatly differs from the definition of scale, I'm quite surprised you don't know this.
From the White House, US President John F Kennedy cancelled at the last minute the US air strikes that would have neutralised Castro's aviation."The operation had to be as secret as possible and Kennedy gave the CIA three days to re-elaborate a plan that had been under preparation for a whole year" "Kennedy reduced the aircraft from 16 to 8 and urged the CIA to modify the zone and time for the landing." "With suspicions aroused over US participation, Kennedy cancelled the rest of the air strikes, landing a devastating blow against the objectives of the 2506 Brigade, which was left with insufficient air support."This claim is both unsourced and easily proven false.
Do keep talking out of your though.
I naively thought it was merely an attempt to pressure Ukraine, heck the Ukranians said the same. It'll be pretty obvious next time Russia invades too.We saw the buildup of troops for months; it was pretty obvious it'd end up happening when negotiations failed.
You want a source for what, exactly? Every war Russia ever fought? Do you perhaps need a source for what I've had for breakfast too?Yet another claim contradicting military historians, without stating sources. Not really surprised by this point.
Find me another invasion of Russia from the west. I've given you all 3/4.
..And?From the official NATO point of view the Baltics are a tripwire as they're very weak militarily speaking and horrible from a strategic perspective, they're simply buffer states that delay any potential advance. The Baltics are strategically natural buffer states, so that's not really surprising.
I'll wait with bated breath.Even if you did link something to American sources, which you didn't, only Russian archives can reveal the true state of affairs in 60+ years.
Of course, which is why they're so eager to unite with Russia. You're hilarious.That's another unsourced claim you're making. According to my links, they have had aspirations to become independent since being in the USSR.
Nothing changed? This looks like another unsourced claim. You realize the entire western world called it a Russian invasion in 2008, right? Obviously it became external at that point, else they wouldn't have termed it a Russian invasion.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
What source bruh? I'm using YOUR logic. Pre 2008 parts of Georgia were occupied by south Ossetia and Abkhazia, no Russia. Post 2008 parts of Georgia are occupied by south Ossetia and Abkhazia, no Russia. Ins't that your claim?
So what changed by Russia invading? All territorial disputes are still with factions seceding from Georgia, not with Russia. They just control a bit more.
Did the EU have to look weak or invade Turkey when Cyprus joined the EU while half of it is occupied by Turkey?The basic fact is that a Russian military occupation supersedes any talk of rights, and brings things down to "will we look weak or have to go to war, if a state occupied by Russia joins NATO?".
Russia retreats from Snake Island - Odessa port is now free again.
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Turkey pushes Finland and Sweden on extradition after deal
Ukraine war live | World | The GuardianTurkey says it will now be pushing for the extradition of 33 "terror" suspects from Finland and Sweden, under a deal that lifted Ankara's objections to the two Nordic states' bids to join Nato. Turkey would ask them to "fulfil their promises", the justice minister said.
Swedish and Finnish concessions to Turkish demands are a denial of the foreign policy of both countries. Sweden, which saw itself as a "humanitarian power", had to end the embargo on arms sales to Turkey, extradite "suspected terrorists" from pro-Turkish organizations (which is an ambiguous issue), and investigate and ban the activity of some of them. Meanwhile, Erdogan has guaranteed the purchase of a few more F-16 fighter jets to bomb the Kurds. Although NATO likes to classify itself as an alliance of democracies, Turkey (and not only this country), does not meet the necessary requirements for this classification to be indisputable. Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO was obtained with the eternal sacrifice of the Kurds.US president Joe Biden has said that he is in favour of supplying new F-16 fighters to Turkey
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