Russia, US, Ukraine, and the Future

[Alastor]

Ukraine's much talked about counter-offensive is apparently imminent: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65725004

Danilov is correct that the stakes here are very high and Ukraine cannot fail, should this counter-offensive fail the repercussions could be severe, especially if you keep in mind there is already concern among Ukraine's backers both over the delayed offensive and Ukraine's denied, but obvious, backing of attacks within Russia proper:

He warned that Ukraine's government had "no right to make a mistake" on the decision because this was an "historic opportunity" that "we cannot lose".

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Meanwhile Russia issued new demands. Not only "accepting new territorial order", never joining NATO, but also never joining EU, and accepting Russian as state language 😂
What else, maybe mandatory blowjobs to Russians given by Ukrainian women?
Surely new demands are showing Russia is seeking peace and "we should engage in peace talks".

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Never heard of the addition of an official language being used as a demand during peace negotiations before.. maybe they should also demand that Russia Today be added as a TV channel, and the sale of Muscovite Vodka. Or maybe demand that all future presidents be named Vladimir?

[conon394]

Ukraine's much talked about counter-offensive is apparently imminent: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65725004

Danilov is correct that the stakes here are very high and Ukraine cannot fail, should this counter-offensive fail the repercussions could be severe, especially if you keep in mind there is already concern among Ukraine's backers both over the delayed offensive and Ukraine's denied, but obvious, backing of attacks within Russia proper:
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Again I suppose the leadership of North Vietnam can be happy it was not being told if the Tet offensive is military failure we (USSR And China) are out. Geez it just hardly one year and people are having cold feet grow a pair. OK so maybe Europe has reason to be cautious but the US man we flushed how much down the toilet of Astan for something the locals clearly did not want and how political capital for a reckless war in Iraq. Here is a could bet where the locals seem all in and so far it has been cheep.

So what if Ukraine strikes Russia - Last I checked they been invaded twice no so they are supposed to stop at the border? I mean really?

[Alastor]

@conon394
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not really expressing much of an opinion there, simply relaying (and agreeing with) what I gather from the (accepted) news.

Do keep in mind though, this isn't the Vietnam era, much less the Korean war era or WW2 era. Nowadays things move fast and people want quick wins. Very few actors play the long game. The political ruling class of the EU is most definitely not such an actor. Unfortunately for us. I rather doubt the US ruling class is much better either. Though inertia and a far better established power base does favour them greatly.

[conon394]

@conon394
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not really expressing much of an opinion there, simply relaying (and agreeing with) what I gather from the (accepted) news.

Do keep in mind though, this isn't the Vietnam era, much less the Korean war era or WW2 era. Nowadays things move fast and people want quick wins. Very few actors play the long game. The political ruling class of the EU is most definitely not such an actor. Unfortunately for us. I rather doubt the US ruling class is much better either. Though inertia and a far better established power base does favour them greatly.

Fair enough no shooting.

You right in that a lot weight and verbage is being tossed about for some quick resolution that seems in reality detached from the scale of the conflict and what leaders on both sides are invested in. I know Ludicus can keep finding people who want negotiations but the fact is Putin seems pretty confident he can gut out his more maximum aims and he and his mouth peices keep reiterating them and its pretty clear nobody governing Ukraine now will accept that.

In terms of long game its hard to say. Obviously its pretty clear Biden is in for a long game but that is contingent on 2024. The UK seems also to be all in and willing to be the red line mover. Also Given that EUrope has chewed and swallowed and survived the gas cut off not sure if you can say a second winter will have the kind of impact Putin was likely hoping for last year.

In any case it strikes me that unless Europe counts differently. June 21 is the first day of summer so a 'spring' offensive still has 4 weeks before its late.