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    Icon11 Georgian units Reskin

    Guys I have worked with you in early times - About the Kingdom of Georgia. I was studying Georgian military history at that time,I did not know some things.

    Now my knowledge is perfect, Write to me - those who want to correct mistakes, especially shields need reskin.


    This is my hard work
    https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...GEORGIA/page14
    Last edited by Khevsur; November 28, 2021 at 10:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khevsur View Post
    Guys I have worked with you in early times - About the Kingdom of Georgia. I was studying Georgian military history at that time,I did not know some things.

    Now my knowledge is perfect, Write to me - those who want to correct mistakes, especially shields need reskin.


    This is my hard work
    https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...GEORGIA/page14

    After finding translation of Kartlis Tskhovreba and the Law of Beka-Agbugha, plus that neigbouring Trebizond overhaul is being worked on, those does spark my interest in possibly overhauling Georgian roster in foreseeable future. I am more interested in the structure of the army rather than how they looks for now, remembering how I am more of battle system manager than a modeller, and to update a overhauled roster with new variants is easier than overhauling an unit roster with both at the same time.

    So here are things I'd like to know.

    1. I haven't figured out the relation between Aznauri, Tadzreuli, and Monaspa - how they relate or intersect in a Venn Diagram. I understand that Aznauri are nobles, Tadzreuli are courtiers of the king, Monaspa is the dedicated servant army of the king. But someone can be an Aznaur via service to the king, the Msakheureuli Aznaurni, not via blood. Is Tadzreuli must be a noble by birth before they can serve as a courtier of the king, or can they be noble by service to the king? Then how about the Mona-Spa, I believe it is the King's standing army, no matter the background, so foreigner can be a member of it. More about the Monaspa, Wiki says Rokispa is commanded by the Monatukhutsesi - so is the Rokispa part of the Monaspa? (will determine the buildings and population class the units be recruited from)

    2. I want to know if Tadzreuli are "courtiers" because they are given the rights to take the revenue of a certain parcel of royal lands as their salary - comparable to Byzantine Pronoia/Rus Pomeste/Turkish Timar/Islamic Iqta. Unlike Aznauri which are not necessarily a servant of the king, but merely obligated to fight for the king using the revenues and troops from their own feudal fief?(will determine the buildings the units be recruited from)

    3. Who were the Aznaurshvili exactly? Junior Aznaur? Aznaur's Servants? (similar to Rus' Deti Boyarskie?) Their siskhli according to Law of Beka-Agbugha is high at 12.000 Tetri. Are they Aznaurs, or merely Aznaur's servants?

    4. You once mentioned that the shields should have the coat of arms of each Georgian noble houses, similar to European knights. Alas, when I searched for Georgian CoA, most of them looks like from the 18th century after incorporated to the Russian Empire - it has that Westernized Baroque feel to it. Can you help me finding elements of Georgian CoA which can be traced to the medieval era?
    So far, the Bagrationi Holy Cloak and David's Sling looks good for me, but I need more from other noble families.

    5. How attuned were Georgians to Archery? Archery skill must be respected in Georgia, sure especially after meeting Turks and Mongols - But if they believe more in valiant melee combat, does Georgian nobles even want to practice archery? (will determine whether either Tadzreuli or Aznauri would be armed with bows after the 13th century, or purely melee)

    6. For representing East Highlanders in one unit only, better use Mtieli or Pkhoveli?

    7. You once mentioned the Torosani as the Georgian Barded Heavy Cavalry. Can you point me to the Mamuka Tsurtsumia's article that mention this?

    8. Which name is better, Amirspalari's Bodyguard or Eristavi's Bodyguard, for non-king generals?

    9. Is there any mention how Chukchi were armed and fought? (Kartlis Tskhovreba only stated the existence of the unit) I have an idea of making a 2h Axe and mace royal guard unit based on Dzruchi Gospel, but are those applicable to them?

    10. Do you have more sources for Roki-Spa? I only found the Wiki.

    11. Do you have more sources for Qrma/Qma as serfs that forms a defense militia, or serves as the feudal contingents of a local Aznaur?

    12. What does Shuboshani Molashqre means? Many M2 mods have it, but I can't find their historical background.

    13. Do you know about any English sources on Metsikhovne? If I search for them, it only returns Medieval 2 units, but not the literatures about their history.

    14. Monaspa were no longer attested in the 14th and 15th century? The same with Roki-Spa? So they were completely replaced with Tadzreuli and Msakheureuli after the 13th century?

    15. When guns first came to Georgia, which unit used it first? Was it the Metsikhovne?
    Last edited by You_Guess_Who; June 15, 2022 at 09:55 PM.

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