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    Default [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    I think the recent discussions have proved that the current descriptions for the small awards to modders are confusing and not satisfying. I propose a rework to the requirements of getting these awards.

    I think there is actually no point in trying to list a bunch of modding sections in order to cover all of them.
    I think it'd be reasonable to add a note to the higher levels as z3n suggested that the Curia may evaluate different sections of a mod separately.
    Updating a mod with new features is no longer neglected.
    I have added creating tools and resources to the list.
    I think the beta-testing part is iffy. In the current wording when someone plays a mod in beta-testing for 6 hours they should be awarded by the Curia no matter if the mod team got any useful feedback from it. And the Curia can't see what's happening in closed testing groups. I think it'd be better if a new small award was created for beta-testers that would be assigned by Hex at the request of modding teams to those that they think deserve the extra recognition for their efforts.

    I have settled on the following:


    • Legio 501st Modder Award (Gold) - Awarded by the Curia for three or more actions matching a criteria from the following list:
      • releasing (including as part of a modding team) a mod or an update to one involving work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours;
      • creating or updating with new features a functional modding tool with instructions how to make it work;
      • creating a detailed and original tutorial containing relevant media (screenshots, video, code snippets);
      • creating resources for modding involving work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours;
      • performing a remarkable act which benefits the modding community.


    Note, the Curia may count different remarkable modding sections of a mod independently.

    • Legio 501st Modder Award (Silver) - Awarded by the Curia for two actions matching a criteria from the following list:
      • releasing (including as part of a modding team) a mod or an update to one involving work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours;
      • creating or updating with new features a functional modding tool with instructions how to make it work;
      • creating a detailed and original tutorial containing relevant media (screenshots, video, code snippets);
      • creating resources for modding involving work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours;
      • performing a remarkable act which benefits the modding community.


    Note, the Curia may count different remarkable modding sections of a mod independently.

    • Legio 501st Modder Award (Bronze) - Awarded by the Curia for one action matching a criteria from the following list:
      • releasing (including as part of a modding team) a mod or an update to one involving work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours;
      • creating or updating with new features a functional modding tool with instructions how to make it work;
      • creating a detailed and original tutorial containing relevant media (screenshots, video, code snippets);
      • creating resources for modding involving work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours;
      • performing a remarkable act which benefits the modding community.




    I think this would be a reasonable way for the Legio awards to make practical sense as small awards intended to promote modding activity and I hope it's not confusing.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    I don't think the problem is the wording; its the means in which it is given out. proposing and then voting is waste of people's time.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    One step at a time, especially if we're currently moving forward with votes. When an executable idea can be offered to 'automate' the system it can be voted on then, but right now there is the demonstrated reality that the wording is nonetheless not ideal.

    But I think the wording of this proposal presents a similar problem. It eliminates time escalation, keeps the quantitative portion and adds the need to break down mods into various odd chunks with their own time distribution. It solves the immediate issue of the ongoing proposal, but is hardly efficient. If I might suggest an alternative,

    1. Change the awards tab to say 'Awarded by the Curia for contributions to the modding community." Keep short, keep simple, update past the original description that was never changed there.

    2. Update the constitution to have one description.
    "The Legio 501st awards are granted by the Curia for contributions to the modding community. Contributions may include the following:

    [...current list minus hour estimation...]

    The appropriate level should be decided by how many released contributions (such as 1, 2 and 3 projects for respective levels), by the amount of time in modding effort (such as 6, 12 or 24 estimated hours of work in the project) and/or by the level of impact on the modding community short of deserving an Opifex, which these awards should not be granted in place of."

    This gist I believe would be the most functional answer and avoid cramming redundant descriptions with minute differences into each award, offering discernible guidelines while allowing discretion. The literalist view (offered metrics between respective levels) should be considered if there is no apparent consensus on the measured impacts of contributions (such as a few people believing the impact deserves silver and others, deserving gold). A subsequent proposal could be offered to streamline the process of awarding of course.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    Well I guess ignore the PM I sent you asking if I could post the PM you sent me as a discussion .

    Anyway, I think this change is a step towards the right direction. I support but would love to see input from others before any action is taken .

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    Good proposal. I support it. The rest of the awards given out by the curia are very poorly understood and subjective.

    Opifex simply states "awarded for exceptional work" (pretty much) and artifex is something like "awarded for modding".


    Imo it's not a bad thing that they are subjective but we can clarify them a bit by working on these small awards. One of the things that stood out to me is that beta testing should count number of written submissions totalling greater than 500 words. Maybe bronze for one report of that length and 1500 words or 3 reports for silver.
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    There is no way you can assess time spent unless you are going to set a standard for each type of modding. it is not practical.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    It's an estimation, which is required unless you want to specify every possible scenario. Beta testing is not exclusively measured in written statements and should not have to be quantified as such.
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    You can't "estimate" because you cannot assess it at all.

    Anyway, the original wording is simple and to the point and it allows us to reward up and coming modders easily.
    If there is a drawback, then it is the fact it still reliant on a very proactive Curia to issue them.
    If if, ... I think the numbers should be 1,3, and 5, rather than 1,2,3 but by five they should be an Artifex. Keep it.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    Quote Originally Posted by Dismounted Feudal Knight View Post
    It's an estimation, which is required unless you want to specify every possible scenario. Beta testing is not exclusively measured in written statements and should not have to be quantified as such.
    ???
    It's the only way that counts.
    There's always something that could be reported after a beta test. It's a question of whether the beta tester wants to take the time to write out real feedback or not.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    If I am allowed to write with my humble modding expirience...modding is about efforts and results . Beware though.."As result" each modding creation in under subjective point of view.
    A simple example...If someone wants to award two modders with the Opifex award MUST he put his subjective aproach on the creations of the two modders or the ammount of effort that the two modders made inorder to create a mod. a tool or a free source?
    In my example: In M2TW Modding the last ten years we all know the famous MARKA Horses ... EBII uses its own horse creations ...Will there be a standard of "quality" of the result in those models when half of players like the one style and the other half like the other or we will award both attempts because they offer players time of gamming pleasure? Standards are hard to be 100% defined because each creator sees his creations as his "children" better than the rest if we will use Aesopus myth of which child was the best looking. We must reward the time consumming, the persistance to the ultimate goal (creating a model or a tool) and the final result (being factional not bettr looking).... That way we will encourage new modders to continue develop their skills for the bennefit of mods or submods and in the end for the bennefit of TWC that STILL is a modding site. Not a political, military or any other kind of site. I apologise for this interuption in this thread. IF as simple member I am not allowed to write here please delete the post.
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    In a single day....I needed years of failures and successes but what i had was the right encouragement to keep improving my self...That encouragement Awards must give it for now on...New modders do not always have the honor to have great teachesrs loike I had. So awards must work like steps to encourage modders to imrove bit by bit for the ultimate goal to allow us have pleasure time playing the games they modding ...
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    What the are you talking about?

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    So, are we going ahead with this people? I think the wording needs a serious rework and I think this will get the job done.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    It seems to me there is no will to send this to a vote.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    I was sure I supported this, but I didn't

    so, support!
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    As much as I'd prefer another approach to consolidate the wording, this solves practical and ongoing issues at the moment and it would be a waste of time to negotiate another approach. Support.
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    Support.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    Thanks for supports guys! Consul, please move to vote then!

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    Gladly!

    Moved to vote.

    Vote here.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    I disagree with the removing of beta-testing from the awards. They were in part meant to reward the work of beta-testers. A recommendation from the modding teams should suffice without involving Hex.

    Or a stand-alone Curial award for beta-testing could be created.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Legio 501st Modder Awards rewording

    Technically only Hex gives out awards and I think a suggestion by the modding team would be more practical than curial processing.

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