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    Default [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Today I would like to introduce my fellow TWCers to Lifthrasir's artwork for the 501st awards. He created these images over a series of weeks, slowly prototyping new ideas and adjusting the models regularly, along with the textures. It was an absolutely fantastic job and he truly never got the credit he deserved for such a work of art.

    Originally I had solely worked with Lifth to put together an image that would immediately evoke the sense that the modder was on their way one day in the future to Opifex or continuing work on their Opifex; for example some very significant and remarkable acts occur after someone achieves Opifex, with Tone releasing his RS2 environmental work to the modding community or Gigantus continuing to contribute.

    Going back to the artwork, I'm not sure what happened but there was a miscommunication it seems and his original work was never properly submitted to the competition. The original images we worked out together looked like this, with a large image for ease of assessment and a smaller for better scale;

    501st Legio Bronze Award



    501st Legio Silver Award




    501st Legio Gold Award




    Modding Service Award


    (original gold but likely going to be repurposed for a new Opifex)


    And finally Opifex (purely here for demonstration purposes)




    Personally I feel like the imagery makes things a lot clearer and also visually tells a story of progression to Opifex or about continued contributions of an Opifex to the community.


    With respect to Akar's proposed amendment, I would like to present my own take on the wording; I do agree with Akar to some extent that there should be an update. However, I strongly disagree with the exclusion of a "remarkable act which benefits the TWC modding community". One of the key reasons this was included was that very same RS2 environment example; that simple act got myself, ahowl88, and Granto (probably more than just us), on the modding warpath trying to adopt those environments to other mods.

    So a remarkable act like that should be awarded through the Legio 501st awards in my humble opinion, rather than being relegated to the Modding Service Award which was meant to be primarily for continuous service in the workshop or releasing a second hosted mod here on TWC; Opifex after all would be the first award they'd be eligible for. A simple remarkable act really doesn't cut it in my book.

    - Legio 501st Modder Award (Gold) - Awarded by the Curia for three or more of the following: creating a detailed and original tutorial containing relevant media (screenshots, video, code snippets), releasing a minor mod involving at minimum a single modding section (units, scripting, mapping, animations, sounds, media) of work estimated to have taken more than than 24 hours or a remarkable act which benefits the TWC modding community. Note, beta-testing does not qualify for the gold award.

    - Legio 501st Modder Award (Silver) - Awarded by the Curia for two or more of the following: creating a detailed and original tutorial containing relevant media (screenshots, video, code snippets), releasing a minor mod involving at minimum a single modding section (units, scripting, mapping, animations, sounds, media, beta-testing) of work estimated to have taken more than 12 hours or a remarkable act which benefits the modding community.

    - Legio 501st Modder Award (Bronze) - Awarded by the Curia for one or more of the following: creating a detailed and original tutorial containing relevant media (screenshots, video, code snippets), releasing a minor mod involving at minimum a single modding section (units, scripting, mapping, animations, sounds, media, beta-testing) of work estimated to have taken more than 6 hours or a remarkable act which benefits the modding community.

    With all of this in mind, I hope that you all agree that Lifthrasir's work should replace the current set of images due to the extremely high quality and artistic storytelling and my proposed clarification to the awards.



    ______________________________


    The proposal now contains three recommendations

    1) Replace the Legio 501st Award Images with the following

    501st Legio Bronze Award



    501st Legio Silver Award




    501st Legio Gold Award




    2) Replace the Modding Service Award with the following model

    Modding Service Award

    Last edited by z3n; October 09, 2021 at 02:00 PM. Reason: update to the proposal
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Lift's artwork looks fantasique and fits perfectly to the Opifex award.
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    What an artist he is

    I miss my dude
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    It was Liftrasir's choice not to submit these images to the open community competition.

    This gold award makes Opifex look inferior, imo.

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    It looks good, but the Gold looks too similar to the Opifex.

    The wording is good as well in that it removes the arbitrary time variable.

    I would increase the number of mods though

    1,3,5 or (I am fine with 1,2,3) Anything more than 5 should be an Artifex.

    I would also like to see content award the bronze (if not all) when the modder release and the mod is announced.
    I would prefer that the Curia not to be running about proposing something that can easily be noticed and more efficiently distributed by staff members.

    We need to pull away from being an award committee to a group of exemplar posters who promote the forum through good quality postings and contributions.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    I quite like this proposal, support.

    I'm not sure how I feel about using Lifth's artwork without consulting him though. If this artwork is used instead of the current art, he should be consulted.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    I quite like this proposal, support.

    I'm not sure how I feel about using Lifth's artwork without consulting him though. If this artwork is used instead of the current art, he should be consulted.
    I spoke to him, he's ok with z3n using them for this proposal

    edit: he told me that if z3n wants an official answer from him too, to send him a PM and he will answer accordingly, anyways we already have his informal ok in any case
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    That's good enough for me, I appreciate you checking with him.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    I can't use Gig's catchphrase, so I'll just say

    the Dude is happy to be of help
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Support.

    I'd change the gold though as it looks more important than the Opifex. Either make it more of a work in progress or otherwise remove some lustre.
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Did I already say that I hate you z3n to have forced me to leave my retirement ?

    Anyway, just in case, I confirm here that z3n has my permission to use these models I made a while ago.
    This being said and regarding the Opifex model, a refreshment of it would have been a good graphic competition but since the Art Staff is basically dead now...
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    A decision to update the Opifex art is a great idea, you should make a proposal.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    A decision to update the Opifex art is a great idea, you should make a proposal.
    What if I beat him to it? We can discuss it for sure but I wonder if anyone will want to try to outdo the current art, it wouldn't be an easy task.

    The Opifex proposal is now here: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...6#post16053186
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Also, the suggested small renders are too big for a small award, which should not have images bigger than 27x35 pixels. Currently the suggested images are at large award (Opifex, Divus etc.) size.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    That's trivial to fix.

    @z3n, well done

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Should also fix the gold to look like the silver and bronze.
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Well I kinda didn't mind Lifth's original gold one, it looked pretty cool as a progression but now that I think about it, we could use that as the new Opifex.


    I'll see what he thinks of the idea first in private but that may be a really good idea.

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Alright, so conditional on Lifth's approval, I'm going to update the OP with the following proposal

    1) Replace the Legio 501st with a progression of the following

    Bronze award


    Silver award


    Gold award


    2) Replace the Modding Service Award with the following



    _________________________

    And also separately propose that we have vote on the option to replace the current Opifex model with Lifth's original gold model, in the opifex artwork update thread.



    _________________________


    If this sounds agreeable please readd your support below thanks.
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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Support.

    Do you plan to separate the wording update from the graphics update decisions?

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    Default Re: [Decision] Legio 501st Award Images & Wording Update

    Well all my wording update really does at present is add in the "one" "two" and "three" parts; if you'd like to include that in your own proposal go right ahead.

    I'd also think leaving in the remarkable act that benefits TWC modding community would be best.
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