Yes, if one has a natural mindset, it's impossible to not to see that the nature itself is showing us where we come from and where we are hopefully headed to.
Yes, if one has a natural mindset, it's impossible to not to see that the nature itself is showing us where we come from and where we are hopefully headed to.
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A sane mind questions things, but also, more or less, believes in things it does not understand in order to keep itself healthy. An insane mind, however, fails to adapt, clinging to truths which have clearly been proven wrong. The line can be thin, and so can be human behaviour in general.
I find this thread interesting, despite all the derailing, or perhaps especially because of that. Religion, science, morality - they all ask the same questions, and have the same goal, answering: "Who are we?", "Where do we come from?", "Where will we go?". Only the way how we approach it; this is wildly different.
In that, our blessing is our curse: We are aware. And this is haunting. There are massive forces around us, in whatever sense, but only humanity sees (arguably) most of them; interprets them; thinks about them. Deers, boars, chicken, and the like; they do not care where they came from. They don't care about death (or do they?), or whatever.
The massive universe, with all its forces and events, exists, and we are the only ones to be abstract enough to know about it. Without us, it all would exist while no one being aware of it. In that, we already achieved quite something.
And still, we screw ourselves up on the smaller or greater scale on this little blue planet called Earth, time and time again, for whatever laughable reasons.
Tl;dr: Whatever. What I wanted to say: Evolution is true, it is proven, and there is no denying it. Religion has its place in the world, and so has morality, of course. They are forces which help us but also hamper us at the same time. Look at history, arts, and whatever. We need a little evil to do stuff, and this is nature, but we also need a little restraint to keep us from blowing ourselves up. This is morale, and, wrapped around a strange story, religion.
I find it funny that a video game nailed the spot:
Well, let's just see what the future will have in check. If anything, this decade is confronted with the great question what morale is anyway.
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I like this example:
There is a major difference, the answers science offers are never prescriptive or normative. Science can only address questions of what is or what was (and to some extent what will/could be), it can inform but can never answer questions of what ought to be or how one should behave. Whereas religion/morality does address those questions, and answers them for those who believe, which is the vast majority of our species. I'm not making a distinction between religion and morality in this case, because even the most stripped down sense of morality requires adherence to empirically unverifiable principles.Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows.
In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say.
In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea.
Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970s.
sumskilz,
Yes they adapted to new conditions but they didn't turn into dogs or cats.
..except God, who evolved snakes from talking animals to non talking ones.
...thats what science is: testable statements to fit evidence. Its the falsifiability that makes it science.
As mentioned by several posters, you yourself can conduct experiments to show results you'd expect to be true if the several interlinked process we describe in shorthand as evolution are reasonable ways to explain changes in animal populations. There is literally no way to prove your God theory true short of dying.
God wrote almost nothing according to scripture, maybe four tablets worth: the ten commandants. I say four tablets because (in amongst the extremely garbled story of what happened on Sinai) Moses breaks the first edition, literally and figuratively. Its OK though, God also breaks the commandments, constantly killing people, taking things away from people and he even got another man's fiancée pregnant... did he covet Mary? Or did he get her pregnant in a loveless transaction. So cold sometimes.
If you're talking about the Bible then a story that has windows in the sky and a heaven overflowing with water can be proven false by looking out your own window. If its all true you can easily prove it: head off to the source of the Tigris and the Euphrates and take a photo of the angels with the burning swords.
Jatte lambastes Calico Rat
No no they did not and will in the scale of time that will be observable to you. but the Alterations are consistent with the explanation provided by evolution. Check back in 50,000 years or so.Yes they adapted to new conditions but they didn't turn into dogs or cats.
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0417112433.htm
A full summary of the same story Sumskilz posted without have turn your email. The changes are pretty remarkable in such a short span of time.
Last edited by conon394; October 16, 2021 at 06:05 AM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Would you prefer we enforce one child or two child policy worldwide and actively prevents poor overpopulated countries from development? Or just stop curing some diseases and let people die? Or stop trying to negotiate peace?
War and disease had kept human population under control for centuries. In fact it's precisely because of moral reasons the developed countries have been helping each other and the undeveloped to grow and breed like rats which in turn make the whole environment worse.
Want to make the planet a better home for all humans? start by committing suicide!
Cyclops,
Even if the animals did talk which they didn't but for two examples, to make them non-talking ones is not evolution. The serpent remained a serpent and Balaam's ass remained an ass.
The theory you ascribe to is that we all came from a singularity and by some chance action every living thing on the planet is living proof without a shred of proof. That's not science. Dying is when all you evolutionists will discover or rediscover that God did make us in six literal days.
The Bible was written by men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit what to put on paper and so it is as if God had written the words Himself. The commandments were given because sin had to be seen for what it was and so anyone who could keep them was safe from the punishment laid down by God. God made the Law and therefore had to keep it by dishing out what the Law demanded of man. People die because sin has to be punished.
Concerning Mary, she was picked out before the worlds were made to be the woman who would bring God into the world and so regardless of what situation she was in she would do it. That she had a fiancée is quite true and intentional so that he, Joseph, would be a source of comfort and love to her during the time that he lived. He nurtured Jesus just as if He was his son.
When God separated the waters into two parts, one part above and the other below on earth it would serve two purposes. One, to protect the earth from the sun, moon and all the planets and stars that God made close to the earth before He spread them out across the galaxy, and two, to bring about the flood that would cover the earth once more just as He had made it. God knew what sin was doing to man at that time and so in Noah's day He had that man and his family build an Ark so that they could repopulate the world after being saved by the Ark.
Oh I can look out my window and every time I see a rainbow be reminded that God promised never to flood the whole world ever again. I can also see on my tv pictures of severe flooding from around the world and wonder why you cannot see how little else need be added to get close to what happened in Noah's day.
When exactly would date this supposed event? Also protection from the moon. Some kind of imagined water shield would not do much protecting from Jupiter's gravity.Noah's day He had that man and his family build an Ark so that they could repopulate the world after being saved by the Ark.
You still failing into a basic trap having decided to allegorical creation myths devised by people with limited understanding the mechanics of the physical you have to been over backward to make random interpretations to deal with each time they run in facts based in logic and the observable data.
Could also discover the Japanese Shinto believers were right instead. Or that the Buddha was really enlightened. Or maybe since they got the fist try the Sumerians where right and tier gods have sitting around for 4000 years just enjoying the show and a lot free time.The theory you ascribe to is that we all came from a singularity and by some chance action every living thing on the planet is living proof without a shred of proof. That's not science. Dying is when all you evolutionists will discover or rediscover that God did make us in six literal days.
Last edited by conon394; October 17, 2021 at 09:05 AM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
conon394,
Quote, "The earliest post-exilic Jewish chronicle preserved in the Hebrew language, the Seder Olam Rabbah, compiled by Jose ben Halafta in 160 AD, dates the creation of the world to 3761 BC while the later Seder Olam Zutta to 4339 BC.[61] The Hebrew calendar has traditionally, since the 4th century AD by Hillel II, dated the creation to 3761 BC.[62][63." Unquote.
We know that on the first day of creation only the earth is said to be there and so the moon came along when God created the stars, sun and moon on the fourth day. He called the sun the greater light and the moon the lesser light. So, one has to ask why the firmament above and so with all that happens and written of one sees why as being the only possible explanation.
So ole friend, the day you have to bow the knee and confess that Jesus Christ is our Creator you will probably also realise that all your arguments against Him were quite wrong and all the false religions you pout was just your way of twisting the truth that for some reason you can't abide.
So basically a hodgepodge of mythological blood lines is what you are sticking with? Also thanks for making me have to google your text quote. A link would have been polite.Quote, "The earliest post-exilic Jewish chronicle preserved in the Hebrew language, the Seder Olam Rabbah, compiled by Jose ben Halafta in 160 AD, dates the creation of the world to 3761 BC while the later Seder Olam Zutta to 4339 BC.[61] The Hebrew calendar has traditionally, since the 4th century AD by Hillel II, dated the creation to 3761 BC.[62][63." Unquote.
Err we know that is what again one mythology says that it is fact right or wrong is up for debate. To bad god seemed to fail notice the moon was not a light.We know that on the first day of creation only the earth is said to be there and so the moon came along when God created the stars, sun and moon on the fourth day. He called the sun the greater light and the moon the lesser light.
They seem quite real to their true believers.So ole friend, the day you have to bow the knee and confess that Jesus Christ is our Creator you will probably also realise that all your arguments against Him were quite wrong and all the false religions you pout was just your way of twisting the truth that for some reason you can't abide.
Last edited by conon394; October 18, 2021 at 08:19 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Nice turn to is that racism I see. They do nothing the 'West did not do in the past'. Growing a breeding is certainly something the French government for example bends over backward to try and encourage. In any case War and disease have certainly not done what you suggest.War and disease had kept human population under control for centuries. In fact it's precisely because of moral reasons the developed countries have been helping each other and the undeveloped to grow and breed like rats which in turn make the whole environment worse.
Last edited by conon394; October 18, 2021 at 08:15 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
conon394,
What's mythological about keeping a family tree as it's how history is made? Oh wait a minute, isn't it from the Bible and the Bible is not history, really?
If the moon does not reflect light why then do we humans write so much about moonlight? The list of songs is huge as well as the films and books that use the word moonlight. Every night when walking my Huskie I see the moon in all its shapes giving off light but as being a reflection from the sun it remains a light in the sky especially for nightime.
Even the Japanese who believe in Shinto or any other peoples with their religions will also come to realise that Jesus Christ is God and the only means of entry to where He lives.
Parts are (history that is) , but like most mythical genealogies all over the work past a couple generations you are looking at a just so story. As soon as you 100+ year life times, age of heroes etc you can fairly sure you are now in just made stuff up territory.What's mythological about keeping a family tree as it's how history is made? Oh wait a minute, isn't it from the Bible and the Bible is not history, really?
Didn't say it did not reflect light, rather just pointing out whomever wrote that bit did not understand that's all it does is reflect the suns light.If the moon does not reflect light why then do we humans write so much about moonlight? The list of songs is huge as well as the films and books that use the word moonlight. Every night when walking my Huskie I see the moon in all its shapes giving off light but as being a reflection from the sun it remains a light in the sky especially for nightime.
Supposedly. There have been different views and still are and were.Even the Japanese who believe in Shinto or any other peoples with their religions will also come to realise that Jesus Christ is God and the only means of entry to where He lives.
Last edited by conon394; October 20, 2021 at 06:47 AM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
conon394,
So we're settled then that the earth is only some six thousand years old and evolution is a load of bunk?
Err how you get that out what I wrote. Any particular mythological genealogy of an ancient people is a valid way to age the earth. It is probably useful to tell you about political power in the time it was writen down becouse the official geneolgy likely confirms the power of sets of elites, or claims to territory etc.So we're settled then that the earth is only some six thousand years old and evolution is a load of bunk?
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Evolution rewards the changes that makes surviving easier, which in turn become the standards. So evolution begins as an exception and continues as the norm.
Morally speaking, is then correct to say that the needs of the many comes before the needs of the few?
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Derc,
Job 26:10-14 mentions the horizon showing the earth cannot be flat. Now as far as Biden is concerned, he, as we all know, is a crook as well as a dirty old man. Boris on the other hand is a genius politician.
conon394,
There's nothing mythological about the genealogies written in the Bible. In fact its purpose is to show us a continual lineage right up until Christ's coming into the world from the point of Adam's fall. God's not daft because He knew that there would be people like you picking and twisting at anything to do with Him and so it is right up to today.