Names

**yxc qwert!** · January 29, 2007, 12:16 PM

*haha im the 1st!!!*
here u can add names (generals, diplomats,and and and)

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 12:42 PM

Not sure about the best way to do this. Back in the MTW days I made a list of the most common medieval Irish names and surnames for XL, I could try and find that again, edit it if needed.

The way the game almost randomly picks heirs actually suits the Celtic inhertiance system very well. And the adoptions and Men of the Hours.

In Celtic and Nordic culture, the son's surname was 'the son of [father's name]', ie. mac Cathail, the son of Cathal, or Magnuson, the son of Magnus. Could that be shown in the game, or is that too advanced?

For the ladies' surnames swap 'mac' with 'inghean' and it's an Ua name have 'inghean Ua'.

Also the Picts' inheritance seems to go down the matrineal line, maternal grandson apparently was preferred heir to grandfather; and/or maternal nephew to uncle in Pictish custom. But surely that can't be shown.

Just to start the ball rolling:

An Mhumhain/Muma

King (Rí) - Máel Dúin mac Áedo, died in 786 real life
Heir (Táinste) - Ólchobar mac Flainn, died in 796 real life, notice he isn't the son of the King

Dál Riada

King (Rí) - Donncoirce - a nickname which was known by, meaning Brown Oats it seems, dies 792 real life
Heir (Táinste) - Conall mac Taidg - between them there was a civil war and war with the Picts for 15 years, just add him anyway, died 805 real life

Edit: Gaelic (Mhumhain/Dál Riada) forenames I did for MTW XL:
_{Áed

Óengus

Ailill

Fergus

Eochaid

Lugaid

Domnall

Cairpre

Conall

Cormac

Fland

Muiredach

Cellach

Éogan

Eochu

Diarmait

Colmán

Conchobor

Fiachra

Énnae

Cináed

Crimthann

Fedelmid

Murchad

Cathal

Donnchad

Máel-dúin

Rónán

Muirchertach

Ercc

Maine

Bran

Cobthach

Niall

Fogartach

Crundmáel

Bressal

Congal

Cenn-fáelad

Dunchad

Suibne

Faílbe

Fiachu

Móenach

Donngal

Sétnae

Scandlán

Dímmae

Senach

Fáelán

Tuathal

Cummascach

Fiachna

Artt

Dúngal

Congalach

Fergal

Blathmac

Dubthach

Dúnlang

Corcc

Find

Lóegaire

Feradach

Findchad

Finán

Cernach

Dáire

Ruaidrí

Fintan

Guaire

Trian

Tigernach

Sechnassach

Nath-í

Tadc

Báetán

Columb

Forannán

Máel-tuili

Cillíne

Máel-ruanaid

Rechtabra

Bróccan

Duinechaid

Colcu

Amalgaid

Indrechtach

Condlae

Fothud

Máelodor

Flaithbertach

Imchad

Bécc

Carthach

Cerball

Cúán

Tipraite

Cáirthenn

Diarmaid

Tiernan

Fintan

Brian

Máel-coluim

Alpín

Eógan}
And surnames, basically added 'son of' or 'grandson of' to forenames. Ua is an early version of Ó:

_{mac Áed

Ua hUaengus

mac Ailill

Ua Fergus

mac Eochaid

Ua Lugaid

mac Domnall

Ua Cairpre

mac Conall

Ua Cormac

mac Fland

Ua Muiredach

mac Cellach

Ua hÉogan

mac Eochu

Ua Diarmait

mac Colmán

Ua Conchobor

mac Fiachra

Ua hÉnnae

mac Cináed

Ua Crimthann

mac Fedelmid

Ua Murchad

mac Cathal

Ua Donnchad

mac Máel-dúin

Ua RUanán

mac Muirchertach

Ua hErcc

mac Maine

Ua Bran

mac Cobthach

Ua Niall

mac Fogartach

Ua Crundmáel

mac Bressal

Ua Congal

mac Cenn-fáelad

Ua Dunchad

mac Suibne

Ua Faílbe

mac Fiachu

Ua MUaenach

mac Donngal

Ua Sétnae

mac Scandlán

Ua Dímmae

mac Senach

Ua Fáelán

mac Tuathal

Ua Cummascach

mac Fiachna

Ua hArtt

mac Dúngal

Ua Congalach

mac Fergal

Ua Blathmac

mac Dubthach

Ua Dúnlang

mac Corcc

Ua Find

mac LUaegaire

Ua Feradach

mac Findchad

Ua Finán

mac Cernach

Ua Dáire

mac Ruaidrí

Ua Fintan

mac Guaire

Ua Trian

mac Tigernach

Ua Sechnassach

mac Nath-í

Ua Tadc

mac Báetán

Ua Columb

mac Forannán

Ua Máel-tuili

mac Cillíne

Ua Máel-ruanaid

mac Rechtabra

Ua BrUaccan

mac Duinechaid

Ua Colcu

mac Amalgaid

Ua hIndrechtach

mac Condlae

Ua Fothud

mac Máelodor

Ua Flaithbertach

mac Imchad

Ua Bécc

mac Carthach

Ua Cerball

mac Cúán

Ua Tipraite

mac Cáirthenn

mac Ailpín

mac Eógan

Ua Briain}
And the ladies:

_{Eithne

Muirenn

Máel Muire

Muirgel

Dúnlaith

Aíbinn

Bé Fáil

Flann

Lann

Taileflaith

Áedammair

Anlaith

Caillech Finnen

Cainnech

Caíntigern

Catan

Cellach

Conchenn

Condal

Crínóc

Dianaim

Dub Lemna

Ellbríg

Euginia

Fedelm

Finbil

Fíne

Forbflaith

Gormán

Lathir

Lerben

Lerthan

Lígach

Martha

Máel Etich

Máel Fabaill

Órlaith

Sáerlaith

Sebdann

Selblaith

Samthann

Sétach

Síthmaith

Tuathflaith

Uallach

Coblaith

Affraic

Máel Mide

Mór Mhumhan

Gormlaith

Derbáil

Mór

Dubchoblaig

Sadb}

**Antagonist** · January 29, 2007, 01:47 PM

^^Nice list, although there seem to at least a view vaguely common/important ommisions (like Brian and Donncadh) Also, had the "Scots" diverged to the point that they would have any seperate names in 793? Things like Máel-coluim etc. which seem to crop of frequently there, I'm not sure...

About surnames, there might be away to do the patronymic thing, but it would probably be complicated. One thing which may prove quite important/useful is epithets/cognomina for traits etc. Seems to me that would be very big for the Norse, and possibly more interesting then just having things like "Forkbeard" or "the Red" as regular surnames. Gaels would have some too, I suppose (Boru/Boruma/Boruime is a cognomen referring to wealth, IIRC)

Antagonist

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 02:04 PM

Added Brian, Alpín, Eógan and Máel-coluim plus surnames, Donnchad is there already. If you think of more I will add, but that is 112 names already

Looking at the list of Dál Riada kings, the names are all in the list I gave there, the names mustn't have changed. Remember even today people in the Highlands and Islands have more Irish looking names than in the Lowlands.

The 'nicknames' were important in Ireland too, but everybody had surnames too, as they were so easy to create.

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 02:25 PM

The Picts are hard as they didn't write anything, most of the information comes from Gaelic or English scribes.

Pictish forenames worked from here:

Picts

Brackets are what it will look like of you use Gaelic naming system, Caustanín even seems to be a Gael.

King (?) - Drest (mac Talorgan), dies in 789 in real life
Heir (?) - Caustantín (mac Fergusa) , dies 820

_{Elpin

Artbranan

Bliesblituth

Bredei

Caeltigern

Cal

Canaul

Canutulachama

Carvorst

Cemoyth

Cind

Cint

Denbechan

Deoardivois

Deocilunon

Deoord

Deototreic

Deo

Drest

Druisten

Emcath

Etharnan

Fechir

Fed

Galam

Galanan

Gant

Gart

Gartnaith

Gede

Guist

Gilgidi

Gnith

Grid

Leo

Morleo

Mund

Naiton

Olfinecta

Pant

Ru

Talorg

Talorgen

Taran

Wdrost

Uen

Guidid

Guib

Uurlech

Onnuist

Uurad

Uuredeg

Gurcich

Uurguist

Urochan

Usconbuts

Uist}

It seems name construction was like the Gaelic, the original word for 'son' is missing, and as the Picts were Gaelicising maybe use 'mac', and perhaps add some of the Gaelic names to that forename list. If others agree I can add 'mac's and 'Ua's, just let me know.

**Kythras** · January 29, 2007, 03:26 PM

Frisia
Faction Leader (Count, not sure of Frisian word) - Theodoric
Faction Heir (Lord, again, not sure) - Gerulf
Priest - Hamacarus

Aitet
Auutet
Avin
Avo
Avuko
Avutet
Bavo
Bentet
Bernhard
Blekulf
Blithulf
Boio
Brunhard
Eðelbern
Eðelulf
Eðelwi
Edulf
Egildag
Eilbern
Eilherd
Eilulf
Eilward
Eldei
Elderd
Elhard
Engilbald
Enhard
Entet
Esulf
Euitet
Euuerhard
Folcbald
Folkbern
Folkhard
Folkward
Frethirik
Frethold
Frethuhard
Frethwi
Frithunath
Geldulf
Geltet
Gerbald
Gerbrand
Gerbruht
Gerdeg
Gerhard
Gerold
Gerulf
Gerwar
Habo
Hamacarus
Hathuward
Hebetet
Helibad
Hobern
Hoitet
Hroðhard
Hroðward
Liaftet
Liudbad
Liudbald
Liudger
Liudgod
Liudulf
Liudward
Liuppo
Lubbiko
Meginbraht
Meginhard
Meginulf
Meintet
Menbold
Menfrid
Menger
Menhard
Menhold
Meniko
Menold
Menward
Merulf
Miginward
Mentet
Notheri
Osnath
Popetet
Raeddeg
Rauantet
Redbad
Reginhard
Reinbern
Renhard
Renward
Riklef
Rikwi
Rodbern
Salaco
Sibod
Sibraht
Sidei
Silef
Sipke
Siward
Siwi
Osnoð
Tadaco
Tado
Thancward
Thankbern
Theodoric
Thiadbold
Thiadbrund
Thiaddi
Thiaderd
Thiadulf
Thiadward
Thiadwi
Thiedold
Thonkrik
Tiadi
Tiadward
Uulfnoth
Wambald
Wening
Wentet
Wibad
Wibraht
Wibrund
Wiftet
Wigbald
Wigerd
Wihard
Wilbrand
Wiltet

As for surnames, most of continental Europe weren't using them at this time, if any were used, they would be the location ones...

**Karayan** · February 24, 2007, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kythras

Frisia
Faction Leader (Count, not sure of Frisian word) - Theodoric
Faction Heir (Lord, again, not sure) - Gerulf

Count in English is graaf in Dutch and "greve" in modern Frisian (I don't know about Frisian of the time of this mod, but it shouldn't be too different).

As for lord, you could use "hear" (heer in Dutch) which which has the translation of lord/sir in English or you could use "master" which means something like commander or boss.

**Kythras** · February 24, 2007, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Karayan

Count in English is graaf in Dutch and "greve" in modern Frisian (I don't know about Frisian of the time of this mod, but it shouldn't be too different).

As for lord, you could use "hear" (heer in Dutch) which which has the translation of lord/sir in English or you could use "master" which means something like commander or boss.

Thanks a lot, that's really helpful, I'd been struggling with finding the right titles.

But before I explore this any further, can I get a confirmation from the powers-that-be as to whether we're using titles in the native language, or english?

**Antagonist** · February 24, 2007, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kythras

Thanks a lot, that's really helpful, I'd been struggling with finding the right titles.

But before I explore this any further, can I get a confirmation from the powers-that-be as to whether we're using titles in the native language, or english?

I'd certainly like native, but I guess it's ultimately tnick's decision...

Antagonist

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 03:09 PM

This a good naming reference website

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 03:28 PM

Gwynedd
King (Rhi) - Caradog ap Meirion, born 730, dies 798 real life
Heir (Tywysog?) - Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri, dies 816 real life

236 Welsh names from here. Taken from the Book of Llandaff

Surnames were done the same as the Gaelic, 'ap' instead of 'mac'. Some names use 'ab' instead, I can't see why, mostly they are names starting with vowels that use 'ab', but not always. Maybe somebody can explain?

The ladies use 'merch' instead of 'ap/ab'.

Think I will just put 'ap' in front of non-vowels and 'ab' in front of vowels. Correct me if it's wrong.

Welsh (sur)names:

_{(ab) Aedan

(ab) Aerthirn

(ab) Aircol

(ab) Arhuiret

(ab) Arthbodu

(ab) Arthcumanu

(ab) Arthmail

(ab) Athruis

(ab) Atoc

(ab) Auner

(ap) Beli

(ap) Biuan

(ap) Bledgur

(ap) Bledri

(ap) Bledud

(ap) Bleidcu

(ap) Bleinbiv

(ap) Brachanios

(ap) Branud

(ap) Briauail

(ap) Brochmail

(ap) Byrguith

(ap) Caratauc

(ap) Carbani

(ap) Catell

(ap) Catgen

(ap) Catgual

(ap) Catguallaun

(ap) Catguare

(ap) Catgucaun

(ap) Catleu

(ap) Catoci

(ap) Ceitimor

(ap) Cerenhir

(ap) Cetuur

(ap) Cidrich

(ap) Cilciuhinn

(ap) Cimeilliauc

(ap) Cinan

(ap) Cinbran

(ap) Cincenn

(ap) Cingual

(ap) Cingualan

(ap) Cinnhor

(ap) Cinuchan

(ap) Cinuedu

(ap) Cinuin

(ap) Cinuoc

(ap) Citoc

(ap) Ciuarheru

(ap) Cobreigen

(ap) Coilbrit

(ap) Conbrinun

(ap) Condaf

(ap) Confur

(ap) Congen

(ap) Conguare

(ap) Conguean

(ap) Congurique

(ap) Conhail

(ap) Conhibrit

(ap) Conlec

(ap) Conoc

(ap) Conuan

(ap) Conueon

(ap) Conuetu

(ap) Conuoge

(ap) Conuonuc

(ap) Cors

(ap) Crashaiou

(ap) Cuchein

(ap) Cuelino

(ap) Cunuaret

(ap) Cunueon

(ap) Cyngualan

(ap) Cyngur

(ap) (ap) Dibin

(ap) Dissaith

(ap) Diuaret

(ap) Diuin

(ap) Docunni

(ap) Dofngarth

(ap) Dofran

(ap) Draincun

(ap) Dubricii

(ap) Duna

(ab) Ebba

(ab) Eidef

(ab) Eidniuet

(ab) Einbresel

(ab) Eithin

(ab) Elci

(ab) Elfin

(ab) Elgued

(ab) Eli

(ab) Elinui

(ab) Elisael

(ab) Elised

(ab) Elstan

(ab) Enim

(ab) Enniaun

(ab) Erbic

(ab) Esne

(ab) Eudeat

(ab) Euilaun

(ab) Eutigirn

(ap) Frioc

(ap) (ap) Gabran

(ap) Gallcun

(ap) Gallun

(ap) Garu

(ap) Gellan

(ap) Gendoc

(ap) Gistin

(ap) Gistlerth

(ap) Gleinguid

(ap) Gliuis

(ap) Gloiu

(ap) Grifud

(ap) Grucinan

(ap) Guabeith

(ap) Guaidnerth

(ap) Guainint

(ap) Guallonir

(ap) Gucaunus

(ap) Guebric

(ap) Guedgen

(ap) Gueiluirth

(ap) Gueithgno

(ap) Guelbiu

(ap) Guencat

(ap) Guengarth

(ap) Guerngen

(ap) Guidlovius

(ap) Guidnerth

(ap) Guinan

(ap) Guingual

(ap) Guithrit

(ap) Gulbrit

(ap) Gunbiu

(ap) Guncar

(ap) Gunda

(ap) Guocob

(ap) Guonocatui

(ap) Guordic

(ap) Gurcano

(ap) Gurceneu

(ap) Gurci

(ap) Gurcimanu

(ap) Gurcinnif

(ap) Gurcon

(ap) Gurdilic

(ap) Gurdocui

(ap) Gurguistil

(ap) Gurhaval

(ap) Guriat

(ap) Guronui

(ap) Gustin

(ap) Haiuoen

(ap) Heufric

(ap) Higueid

(ap) Hirel

(ap) Hiuel

(ab) Idcant

(ab) Idguallaun

(ab) Idguin

(ab) Idmab

(ab) Idnerth

(ab) Ilud

(ab) Ismael

(ab) Ithail

(ab) Iudcant

(ab) Iudgual

(ab) Iudguoret

(ab) Iudhubr

(ab) Iudic

(ab) Iunet

(ab) Iurthir

(ap) Jouaf

(ap) Laur

(ap) Letric

(ap) Libiau

(ap) Lifris

(ap) Loudoce

(ap) Louheithi

(ap) Loumarch

(ap) Lugobi

(ap) Mailbrigit

(ap) Maioc

(ap) Malcant

(ap) March

(ap) Margetud

(ap) Matauc

(ap) Mei

(ap) Merchbiu

(ap) Merchguinus

(ap) Merchiaun

(ap) Merchitir

(ap) Merthyr

(ap) Milgen

(ap) Mor

(ap) Morcan

(ap) Morcenou

(ap) Mormarch

(ap) Mouric

(ap) Nir

(ap) Nouis

(ap) Nougui

(ap) Nud

(ab) Oguhyr

(ab) Oran

(ab) Oudoceus

(ap) Reu

(ap) Riacat

(ap) Richrit

(ap) Riderch

(ap) Riguallaun

(ap) Rihedl

(ap) Ris

(ap) Riuelgur

(ap) Rotri

(ap) Ruid

(ap) Run

(ap) Sadoc

(ap) Scituc

(ap) Sed

(ap) Sulgen

(ap) Tecguaret

(ap) Teudiric

(ap) Teudur

(ap) Teudus

(ap) Tirchanus

(ap) Titgual

(ap) Turguert

(ap) Tutnerth

(ab) Ubeluiuo}

Ladies names:

_{Hancarate

Tancoystl

Acgarat

Dulon

Onbraust

Ourdilat}

**tnick777** · January 29, 2007, 03:34 PM

Finnish names are here

(My given name is Tuomo Kiippruussoff -last name-) but I go by Tyler Marques

**Harðurāðaz** · January 29, 2007, 04:05 PM

NORSE male names

Sveínn
Hrafnn
Ólafr
Sigurdr
Tryggvi
Yngvarr
Godfred
Öystein
Knut/Knud
Halfdan
Helgi
Haakon
Eirikr
Ottar
Anund
Ivarr
Björn
Ormr
Halstein
Sigmund
Karl/Kol
Bödvar
Hjörmund
Gardarr
Gorm
Styrbjörn
Thórrbjörn
Gunnarr
Hrolf
Bjarni
Alfr
Einarr
Atle
Frodi
Snorri
Geirr
Ketill
Sturla
Grímr
Agmundr
Áki
Ulfr
Jóarr
Thangbrandr
Thórvaldr
Svartgeirr
Steinn
Reidarr
Ragnarr
Örn/Arn
Oddvarr
Leifr
Korpr
Dag
Gamli

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 04:54 PM

Think Northumbrian and Wessex names can be treated as the same, from Bede's A History of the English Church and People, published in 731.

Wessex

King (Cyning) - Cynewulf, dies 786 in real life, assination
Heir (Léodgebyrga (means prince/lord)?) - Beorhtric, dies 802 real life, not actually the king's son

Northumbria

King (Cyning) - Ælfwald - murdered 788
Heir (Léodgebyrga (means prince/lord)?) - his sons were Ælf and Ælfwine, but he was succeeded by his cousin Osred, who was murdered in 790

Got to love the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle

Also no surnames to worry about \o/

_{Ælle

Ælfwine

Æðelbert

Æðelfrid

Æðelhun

Æðelred

Æðelwald

Æðelwalh

Alchfrid

Aldfrid

Aldhelm

Alduini

Aldwulf

Alric

Andhun

Anna

Berðun

Bertwald

Cædmon

Cælin

Cearl

Ceolwulf

Coenred

Coenwalh

Cuichelm

Cuðbert

Cynegels

Cynefrid

Eadbald

Eadbert

Eadfrid

Eadric

Eadwyn

Eafa

Eanfrid

Earconbert

Earpwald

Egbert

Egfrid

Egric

Eni

Hengist

Hereric

Hlothere

Horsa

Hunwald

Immin

Irminric

Octa

Oeric

Offa

Osfrid

Osred

Osric

Oswald

Oswy

Oswyn

Peada

Penda

Rægenhere

Redwald

Ricbert

Sabert

Sebbi

Sigbert

Sighard

Sighere

Swefred

Swidhelm

Thrydwulf

Tondbert

Tondhere

Wictred

Wilfrid

Wini

Wuffa

Wuscfrea

Wulfhere

Yffi

Beorhtric

Cynewulf

Ælf

Ælfwald}

Ladies:

_{Acha

Ælffled

Æðelberga

Æðeldreda

Æðelhild

Breguswið

Coenberg

Cyneburg

Cynwise

Eabæ

Eanfled

Earcongota

Edyð

Hilda

Hereswið

Osðryd

Tortgyð

Sexburg}

**finneys13** · January 29, 2007, 05:45 PM

Brittany/Breizh

Duke (Duged) - Nevenoe - only appears rebelling against the Franks in 830s, maybe have him as a 16 year old at the start of the game. He was actually a King, but almost all of his successors were Dukes
Heir (Tywysog? en lieu of anything else) - Erispoe - die 857 in real life

We need to find a French or Breton speaker to do the names, I can only find about 20. We would need more than 20 I would imagine.

**finneys13** · February 17, 2007, 08:04 AM

Bretons/Breizh

Duke (Duged) - Nevenoe - only appears rebelling against the Franks in 830s, maybe have him as a 16 year old at the start of the game. He was actually a King, but almost all of his successors were Dukes
Heir (Tywysog? en lieu of anything else) - Erispoe - die 857 in real life

Decided to go ahead and do the Breton names. Not many could be found, these would be about the minimum number I guess, from here and Breton wiki's articles on Breton Dukes were the sources.

Surnames are made by 'fil [father's name]', same word for sons and daughters.

Male names:

_{Adiuni

Bodognous

Belado

Britou

Budnouenus

Conbriti

Disideri

Felix

Gallmau

Gennovevs

Heranal

Harenbili

Iusti

Maeldoi

Maonirn

Mihael

Turtoualdus

Uenomaili

Vormvini

Nevenoe

Erispoe

Salaun

Paskwezhen

Gurwant

Yezekael

Alan

Gourmaelon}

The Ladies:
_{Beladore

Berthildis

Drilego

Herannuen

Melita

Prostlon

Rimoete}