Original Sin and the Nature of Christ

**Cyclops** · September 30, 2021, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by basics

Derc,

God being Sovereign and Holy demands that His creation obey and believe that what He says and carries out these instructions. If man being bound in sin cannot and will not obey whose fault is that?

God's? I mean he made man capable of sin, put a super persuasive talking snake in the garden and some forbidden fruit. Anyone with kids could've told him what would happen.

So you're sticking with the line God made the Holocaust for his pleasure? Horrific really, I won't worship that kind of monster.

**basics** · October 01, 2021, 03:08 AM

Cyclops,

No, He made man without sin knowing that the knowledge of good and evil would propel them into sin which it did. Of course the holocaust was horrific yet it was sinful man that acted out all the horrors involved in it, why? Because it is man's nature to do evil more than good. Biblical history tells us repeatedly what man was like and yet man refused to accept it. Never mind that you won't worship that monster, the fact is that you can't because you are dead in your sin. Only God can unlock that which binds you and that by revealing Jesus Christ to you which by your own admission has not happened.

**Cyclops** · October 03, 2021, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by basics

Cyclops,

No, He made man without sin knowing that the knowledge of good and evil would propel them into sin which it did...

So Man and woman were created "Very Good", yet He already knew they would sin. Therefore (here's the logical use of therefore) is sin good, in your worldview?

Originally Posted by basics

Of course the holocaust was horrific yet it was sinful man that acted out all the horrors involved in it, why? Because it is man's nature to do evil more than good. Biblical history tells us repeatedly what man was like and yet man refused to accept it. Never mind that you won't worship that monster, the fact is that you can't because you are dead in your sin. Only God can unlock that which binds you and that by revealing Jesus Christ to you which by your own admission has not happened.

So God did not create the Holocaust, and the Holocaust is a real thing (not preexisting creation), do you therefore concede there is more than one creator?

As for being dead in sin, God allowed the slaughter of Jobs children "for his pleasure" as you put it, even though Job was perfect, upright, feared God and eschewed evil. Horrific casual murder to impress Satan. So why believe? God sends Satan to torture you even if you are righteous.

**Sir Adrian** · October 03, 2021, 06:26 PM

So God did not create the Holocaust, and the Holocaust is a real thing (not preexisting creation), do you therefore concede there is more than one creator?

This has got be the single dumbest question I have heard in my entire life. What does humanity exercising free will have to do with there being only one creator of the universe.

As for being dead in sin, God allowed the slaughter of Jobs children "for his pleasure" as you put it, even though Job was perfect, upright, feared God and eschewed evil. Horrific casual murder to impress Satan. So why believe? God sends Satan to torture you even if you are righteous.

Actually, if you bother to read the story, Satan killed Job's children in order to get him to curse God. Also, parables in the bible are not to be taken literally. They're part of an allegorical genre that is very popular in middle eastern writings of the time.

**basics** · October 04, 2021, 01:43 AM

Cyclops,

You're missing the point again. Before the fall everything was very good but man left to his own will was persuaded to disbelieve and disobey God plunging all creation into sin. Sin is never good.

God is One Being consisting of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is no other creator nor are there any other real gods.

Like Adam and Eve Job was tested to the limit but unlike them he never faltered in his believe.

**conon394** · October 04, 2021, 08:08 AM

You're missing the point again. Before the fall everything was very good but man left to his own will was persuaded to disbelieve and disobey God plunging all creation into sin. Sin is never good.

So people had free will not just god''s sock puppets and why again is all creation punished for the failure of 3 individuals?

God is One Being consisting of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is no other creator nor are there any other real gods.

A lot of people do in fact disagree with you.

Like Adam and Eve Job was tested to the limit but unlike them he never faltered in his believe.

Its a good story got 400 witnesses for that one.

**Cyclops** · October 04, 2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by basics

Cyclops,

You're missing the point again. Before the fall everything was very good but man left to his own will was persuaded to disbelieve and disobey God plunging all creation into sin. Sin is never good.

God is One Being consisting of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is no other creator nor are there any other real gods.

Like Adam and Eve Job was tested to the limit but unlike them he never faltered in his believe.

Who created sin? Not who did it first, who created it?

**basics** · October 05, 2021, 01:58 AM

conon394,

God gave us a will but it never was free. Yes, all creation fell because its humanity disobeys God as well as disbelieves God. Look at the world and see how Christianity is hated why? Because apart from all the false religions most of the world has been persuaded that we all came from a soup pond.

No, I have millions of born again believers who down through the ages were chosen by God to believe in Jesus Christ.

Cyclops,

Sin being anything that is against the word of God, then God being the Creator of all things is responsible.