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    Coronavirus as a special test for all humanity.

    (my philosophical article about the Covid-19 and its huge problem for the whole world)

    Translated to English from russian original text.

    The coronavirus pandemic has become a kind of test for all mankind, and this applies not only to government spheres, but also to ordinary everyday ones. All human evil immediately surfaced. People who previously seemed worthy and bright, suddenly showed their true colors. Those whom society could consider impartial and disgusting, on the contrary, discovered themselves from a new, previously unknown side. The coronavirus has tested millions of marriages around the world. This began in the spring of 2020, when, due to general self-isolation, many families were locked up within their own homes. "Covid" touched upon the issues of true friendship and loyalty. As the proverb says, a friend is known in trouble. True friends proved themselves worthy and did not leave their comrades in trouble. The imaginary friends revealed their true essence and showed a devil-may-care attitude. However, the ties of kinship also underwent a certain test. It immediately became clear who can be relied on and who cannot be trusted at all. The coronavirus has subjected absolutely every person in our world to difficult tests.

    Money began to play a huge role during the pandemic. This applies mainly to countries that did not provide the necessary assistance to the population. As you know, everything depends on money: neither more nor less human life. In the countries of the backward and unusable, there has been an untold increase in poverty. Many found themselves on the brink of poverty and financial distress. Against the backdrop of the pandemic, it looked like a crime on the part of local authorities. In countries worthy and prosperous, the situation has not changed too much. Of course, their economic growth slowed down, but at the same time, human lives were not endangered. Human life is above all, and this must be known in any state. Those who preferred to focus on their own wealth, forgetting about their neighbors, are clearly far from the concept of "humanity." Therefore, the rulers who refused to help their fellow citizens due to the pandemic can hardly be called people.

    The coronavirus pandemic has not subsided until now and continues to spread across the planet. And this means that testing of humanity for dignity continues as well. In the coming years, the virus is unlikely to stop, and every inhabitant of the planet already knows this. Together with the virus, the global examination of people will not subside. The worthy will sooner or later receive a well-deserved reward, and the unworthy will receive nothing. Therefore, every person in our world now needs to think about their future destiny.

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    Hah. Funny. I just wrote about that in the conclusion of my World History AAR (here).

    To make it short: Your thoughts are almost exactly mine. Almost, because there are people who value a less strict form of 'life above all'. Namely 'Freedom above all'.
    Yes, it's a test. Every crisis is. And most of our systems have failed. This should be a warning for us. There'll be more than enough stuff to solve in the future, both personally and globally.

    The most important thing would be to get back to being a truly free society. We need to listen to different opinions instead of cancelling and censoring them. We must have the courage to face danger. And we must be able to find solutions for (almost) everyone. We humans are team players and problem solvers. We can solve everything. But not if there sits a virus in our heart, and in our brain, and we keep dividing. Because if we do, wars and revolutions are a given.

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    BagaturSasha,

    So, by Whom or by What are we being tested?

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    So, by Whom or by What are we being tested?
    Maybe by God or High Mind of this universe. I don`t know. But every event in the humans life is a competition and test. We are here with own targets.
    Every person in this planet have own target and mission.


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    BagaturSasha,

    So, if that is correct, what are the targets that we compete for? The only commonality I see in mankind is death and that at any age so is that the target that we compete for? Therefore I have to say that yes we all have a purpose and find many tests along the road but I don't see it as a competition.

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    I can understand this viewpoint. I had to completely change direction in my own personal life because of the pandemic. When it hit, I was in the last semester of my master's program in Global History, with big and bright plans for my future. I was going to get to C1-level in my German classes at the Goethe-Institut and take the exam to get credentialed for career and academics. I wanted to get my MA thesis published and continue building my historiographical work towards possibly getting a PhD. I had been building up my networks at various NGOs as I attended school in my nation's capital, hoping to find an "in" with one of these organizations, ultimately with the goal of becoming a public scholar. My girlfriend and I were only getting our lives together started in the big city, and we had only been dating since November '19.

    Then the pandemic hit. The University closed, my German classes were moved to a cruddy online format which I couldn't follow. I tried to publish my thesis but it got slammed by the reviewers and I was in no position to get the books I needed to address their criticisms against my article. My entire networking routine was jettisoned as there no more in-person events. Bluntly, I feel online tele-networking has been a sham and a waste of my time, and it hasn't gotten me closer to any of my career goals, and it can't -- they don't know me as they haven't met me in person, only behind a phone or a computer screen, how can that be organic or natural? Is it because this time has set the people of my nation into a mindset of "every person for themselves?" Nor were my professors or academic colleagues at all helpful to me: they had forgotten me.

    Unable to find any jobs in the capital, I had to move back to the countryside with my parents, far away from anything to do with my target industry. Thankfully I still have my girlfriend, but we live in a long-distance relationship now, and it just doesn't feel the same.

    I had to take my life in an entire different direction. Now I am aiming to become an educator, something I never expected to do only a year ago. Honestly, the experience has been humbling: when I first went to college, I thought I was "above" teaching teenagers, and that I wanted to do something more influential with my life. Now I'm considering another year of education to get my teaching credentials, either in the state I currently live or in the state my girlfriend lives.

    2020 and 2021, rather than being the years of seeding and harvest for me, have been a time of humbling followed by rebuilding. It laid bare the need to lower my expectations and set more realistic goals, as painful as that has been to realize. The world became radically smaller.

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    God may specifically poisons babies or infect elderly people and test them with agonising death, but not for reasons the human mind can comprehend. That point is definitely moot for mine.

    As a test of human systemic capabilities it has been informative.

    China failed by concealing the outbreak for political reasons. If some mid-tier party hack in Wuhan hadn't decided the party conference was too important for quarantine then the plague probably doesn't leave China (which has a history of savagely quarantining and sacrificing localities to restrict disease spread).

    Places like India, the US and South Africa have had their federal systems tested and they proved "too free" that is the inconsistent approach by different levels and areas of government were unable to contain the virus. OTOH the US scientific response remans high tier, with multiple vaccines researched, distribution and dissemination carried out with great efficiency.

    The leadership of many states was tested, US political leadership was a shambles and remains pretty crappy, with clearly unfit individuals in many key posts (they replaced a reality TV clown with a corpse in the Oval Office and it was an improvement). UK leadership has been so **** its been magnificent, some kind of gold medal in ****ness by old Boris.

    With the 1-2% death rate and as yet non-apocalyptic "long COVID" its basically a dry run (sad to say millions of deaths is a gentle result compared to many past pandemics) for the next Big One. AFAIK all the preconditions are still in place. Poor international cooperation, ever expanding internationalisation, population growth continuing (though slowing thankfully), inequity and poverty widespread, climate change applying massive stressors on vulnerable populations.

    Hopefully we respond better to the next plague, and some Orange fart hasn't dismantled the CDC for the keks. Numerous health organisations around the world made use of its excellent resources.
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    Cyclops,

    " The next real big one," what a frightening thought as we all struggle through this one. So, how are you in Aussie Land coping for if it wasn't for Trump's quick action things would have been or could have been far worse?

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    if it wasn't for Trump's quick action things would have been or could have been far worse?
    Yeah he sure was quick to downplay the virus and tell people not to wear masks, wasn't he? Thank god for his startling foresight to know that wearing masks and injecting bleach would be all it took to hold back the tide of the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Cyclops,

    " The next real big one," what a frightening thought as we all struggle through this one.
    Frankly the preconditions have been in place for decades, and its been really harsh responses by the Chinese government that have kept several potentially huge outbreaks leaking. This time they stuffed it up and we all paid.

    Definitely more to come. I mean the current is still evolving, thanks to Boris the Nitwit letting the virus breed among the UK population. I think Coronovirus will award him gold for being such a super spreader.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    So, how are you in Aussie Land coping for if it wasn't for Trump's quick action things would have been or could have been far worse?
    Trump is an incompetent clown, and nothing he's done has affected us much. I guess he gave of a handful of neckbeard child-porn addicts something to crow about, and its been annoying that our ally would elevate such a shameful jackass to CiC.

    Our own governments have performed moderately well (with the odd wobble eg my state in 2020 and currently NSW ), but have been very slow on delivering the vaccine. Mostly we have benefited from our geographic isolation and our existing architecture for excluding people (we have a long history of frankly racist immigration and refugee control).
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    Cyclops,

    First off, keep safe and well. Secondly, unlike many other deseases this was man made as far as we know and so what is it that drives the lunacy behind creating such horrible things? Thirdly, Trump is hardly an incompetent clown making a business that many would love to have but don't and being for many Americans the best President they have had in their lifetime. Everyone knows that he lost the last election through the vote rigging by the Democrats. Before him we had the Obamas and the gangster Clintons and now we have dear ole dopey Joe Biden who can't string a sentence together yet sure knows how to milk the system for his family's benefit. Could it be that China released the virus knowing an American election was looming for it must be clapping now that Biden holds the reins.

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    Where did you get that information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Cyclops,

    First off, keep safe and well.
    You and yours too.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Secondly, unlike many other deseases this was man made as far as we know and so what is it that drives the lunacy behind creating such horrible things?
    As far as you know is no further than I, so that point is moot. China has given rise to several waves of hideous disease before.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Thirdly, Trump is hardly an incompetent clown making a business that many would love to have but don't and being for many Americans the best President they have had in their lifetime.
    I know a clown when I see one. He was a mess, a stupid incompetent mess who kowtowed to Putin like a craven twerp. I think people who think he was the best are either ignorant, stupid, lying, or enemies of the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Everyone knows that he lost the last election through the vote rigging by the Democrats.
    AFAIK only a few ignorant and/or dishonest people assert that.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Before him we had the Obamas and the gangster Clintons and now we have dear ole dopey Joe Biden who can't string a sentence together yet sure knows how to milk the system for his family's benefit.
    Indeed, all better presidents than Trump. None seem to have attempted coups for a start.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Could it be that China released the virus knowing an American election was looming for it must be clapping now that Biden holds the reins.
    Could it be Trump is an Orange idiot? Seriously he was a whoremonger, friend of the Clintons and like Bill one of Epstein's clients. Trump is a New York libertine who sent a mob into Congress to hijack US government and was stopped dead by the faithful Christian statesman Mike Pence. Why any Christian would side with the gluttonous money obsessed whoremonger Trump over a decent human like Pence beggars belief.
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    Cyclops,

    I am afraid that we must disagree over Trump for many reasons so let's leave it at that for the moment. As far as Pence is concerned he is to my knowledge a decent Christian yet if Trump had won the election would Pence have resigned? I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    Cyclops,

    I am afraid that we must disagree over Trump for many reasons so let's leave it at that for the moment.
    Just give it a few moments thought, you will realise Trump is a very low person. If Coronavirus was a test, then Trump was a handicap to make the US more likely to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    As far as Pence is concerned he is to my knowledge a decent Christian yet if Trump had won the election would Pence have resigned? I think not.
    Trump bumbles, lies, defrauds, usurps, pays money to whores, and grovels to his country's worst enemy. He gave money to the Clintons. Pence has been a moral statesman, what sorcery is this that any Christian could have doubts about Pence's conduct and be blind to Trump's? Friend, open your eyes. I am sincere, Trump is a very low dog indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Just give it a few moments thought, you will realise Trump is a very low person. If Coronavirus was a test, then Trump was a handicap to make the US more likely to fail.
    While Trump may be scum, there were a lot of others who did not handle covid any better. State governors were free to ignore Trump and enact their own actions and mandates, and in fact did so. Yet the results have been poor. Texas, for the hype, is only slightly worse off than California in either numbers of death or covid rates. New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts have had the highest death rates, yet Mass. Is 4th among vaccinations.

    Exactly what should have Trump done differently? If he told everyone to wear mask, a lot if people would have opposed it simply because Trump said it. Early on, a strict quarantine might have worked, but again, had Trump tried, it likely would have been opposed simply because Trump was recommending it.

    Banning public events governors had just as much authority to do. I agree Trump leadership was poor on covid, but who did a better job in the US? The vaccine Biden pushes was developed under Trump. A hospital ship and temporary beds were sent to New York, worst hit, because it was claimed that was a huge shortage of space in hospitals, yet the hospital ship and beds were not used.

    Australia did well with covid, but its essentially a really big island with less people than California or Texas alone.




    Trump bumbles, lies, defrauds, usurps, pays money to whores,
    And other politicians do not lie, or usurp? As for oaying money to whores, as least he us not groping women like New York governor Cuomo. One reason the death rate in New York was high was that he sent infected Covid patients back into nursing homes, forced them to take infected patients. Now that Democrats decide Cuomo is expendable, the media is beginning to let the truth out, but other Democratic governors did the same thing, with predictably high death rates. Of the top 4 states with highest death rates for covid, 3 are Democratic, even though there are more Republican governors.
    and grovels to his country's worst enemy.
    Who is US's worst enemy? China. And Trump did not grovel to them, that us the Democrats like Biden.

    Australia buried itself in China's ass cheeks, and the first time it did not jump up when China said "jump", look what happened.

    He gave money to the Clintons.
    The Democrats also gave money to the Clintons too. And they made Hilary their candidate after she did such a good job in getting the Libyan ambassador killed, then tried to pretend it was a spontaneous riot. Trump would never have become president if the Democrats had nominated any other candidate, like Biden

    Pence has be
    Friend, open your eyes. I am sincere, Trump is a very low dog indeed.
    Yet the Clintons were good friends with the Trump, and the Democrats and yet they tried to make Hillary president. What does that say about the Democrats?

    Do you really think all the issues about Cuomo were unknown? Bull. What he did was known, the mdeia just buried the story because he was a good leftist.

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    https://www.propublica.org/article/a...re-controversy

    It is not surprising that New York is a close second to New Jersey for the death rate due to COVID and number 2 in total COVID deaths even though its population is significantly less than Texas and smaller than Florida.

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    OK, so it's clear our political discourse is a test of our individual tolerances for each other. But that's not a new thing.

    Regarding the idea that "All human evil immediately surfaced" - I think as this thread illustrates: evil in most contexts is subjective, and more specifically, it refers to self interest expressed by someone or a group of someones that is contrary to you and yours. So I don't think there is much worth in debating it.

    Is Covid 19 a special test for humanity?

    Not in the way the OP suggests. But it is a test in other ways.

    Covid 19 is just another virus. We are both dependent on and susceptible to all sorts of viruses. Some of the cell types in our bodies may have even originated as viruses. We have a give-and-take relationship with them that predates our existence as a species. Viruses play a key role in both our physical and mental evolution. They change our bodies, and encourage changes to the way we think - both as individuals as we grow and age, and as a species as we evolve. This is not a special test for us, but it's just another one of the processes that form our evolutionary framework. If it can be described as a test, it is a test that exists on all living things, including on viruses themselves (if they're even truly alive).

    So it is another of the constant series of tests our species faces on a daily basis.

    But regarding the OP and Covid being a special test for our relationships and interactions as individuals and societies? I don't give much credence to the 'special' part of that idea. Our societies are constantly dealing with challenges. Covid has brought a new set of challenges for our societies to solve, but from a societal level, those changes aren't any more or less spectacular than the constant cycles of war, poverty, oppression, disease, famine, wealth, boom-bust, friendship, lust, anger, violence, etc that our societies experience every day. We are confronted by challenges, and we react. It is part of the human experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    So, by Whom or by What are we being tested?
    There doesn't need to be a whom or a what in an evolutionary relationship. The desire to attribute or personify selection pressure is a specifically human experience that from what I can tell, seems to exist only deal with the egotistical dissonance that comes about when we are confronted with our own normalcy. "Surely it doesn't just happen ... someone or something must make it happen - and because we can think, we must have a special relation with this someone or something"
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    antaeus,

    That may well be true if we are no more than evolutionary beings but I'm afraid that's where we separate as I believe in a Sovereign God Who is in all things and through all things that exist. Nothing that exists was not made but by Him and so even as a fallen race the things we do and see are a result of His plan for all creation. So, as the questioner begs, we are in fact living through a test. That test is for man given a choice of seeking Him or carrying on without Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    While Trump may be scum, there were a lot of others who did not handle covid any better. State governors were free to ignore Trump and enact their own actions and mandates, and in fact did so. Yet the results have been poor. Texas, for the hype, is only slightly worse off than California in either numbers of death or covid rates. New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts have had the highest death rates, yet Mass. Is 4th among vaccinations.

    Exactly what should have Trump done differently? If he told everyone to wear mask, a lot if people would have opposed it simply because Trump said it. Early on, a strict quarantine might have worked, but again, had Trump tried, it likely would have been opposed simply because Trump was recommending it.

    Banning public events governors had just as much authority to do. I agree Trump leadership was poor on covid, but who did a better job in the US? The vaccine Biden pushes was developed under Trump. A hospital ship and temporary beds were sent to New York, worst hit, because it was claimed that was a huge shortage of space in hospitals, yet the hospital ship and beds were not used.

    Australia did well with covid, but its essentially a really big island with less people than California or Texas alone.
    In some ways, I agreed with Trump's hands-off approach to handling the virus.

    America is a massive place with a wide array of climates and living situations. A federally-mandated lockdown is a foolish proposition, because the COVID situation is not the same everywhere in the United States. The conditions in New York will not be the same as in a small town in North Dakota, but the federal government is more likely to heed the needs of New York over North Dakota, just by the nature of relative political power, media presence, and similar factors. Why should North Dakotans lockdown because the virus is particularly bad in New York, or any other part of the country, but not North Dakota? In this way, deferring to the governors was a wise decision, as governors are more capable of addressing the situation in their own states than Washington is. The possible push by the current White House for a nationwide lockdown is foolish, irresponsible, pointless, and, dare I say, tyrannical.

    Furthermore, from the perspective on political power, allowing the states to decide how to react is better for protecting the rights and freedoms of the populace. Firstly, it reduces the federal government's capacity for authoritarianism by delegating power and responsibility to a different entity outside its direct control. State governments also tend to be more reactive to their citizens because these governments are more local, and therefore more representative of the citizenry.

    My only other wish was that it was state legislatures, not governor's autocratic orders, which determined the lockdown. We really needed to have both statewide and national dialogues on the best course of action, as the lockdowns had their own set of very severe consequences that impacted all Americans, and putting the matter of lockdown versus no lockdown to a vote would have created that dialogue and provided whichever decision with a legitimate mandate, backed by the people via their local representatives. Governors' orders were, by contrast, mere acts of authoritarian autocracy, enacted without consultation with the public to discuss the potential impacts of such lockdowns.

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    First off, Trump was no politician rather a businessman who had friends on both sides or all sides of the political spectrum. For sure he liked the ladies just like any other man and with his power and money perhaps a target for many women. That said and secondly he ran for power because he saw and knew of the corruption in Washington and what it was doing for America not only at home but across the world. Thirdly he spoke the ordinary man's thoughts which appealed to those having no voice and America loved it and that's why he was elected.

    Concerning what he did from that point on was to put America into a self sufficient country and a country not to be messed with. He brought China, Russia and North Korea to the negotiating table, strengthened Israel and put the fear of death into an Iran that was running amok sponsoring terrorism all across the world. The American economy was riding high until Covid struck giving his opponents and a hostile left wing press the chance to condemn him no matter what he did to keep Americans safe. Unless I am wrong here, he put Pence in charge of the fight against Covid and no-one can say that he did a bad job of it considering all the factors facing him. Why even illegal immigration was coming under control and crime was coming down and so the leftwingers did all they could to frustrate this by rioting and looting wherever they could and the anti-Trump press made of that what they could knowing an election was coming up.

    So in closely run states ballots were rigged to favour the left. The dead were voting alongside non-American citizens. Ballot machines were rigged to favour the Democrats and on purpose overseerers were not allowed near them during the vote and count particularly if they were Republican. In other words there was no security to make sure every voter was said to be who they were. I mean here we were with one of America's crooks versing an honest man who Presided over the greatest country in the world and the crook won. A crook that milked millions from his people for personal gain winning against a man who took on the job and never collected a penny in wages for doing it and it could only happen in America, the so-called Land of the Free and the Brave. This crook who can neither string a sentence together is now in charge or is he? Only time will tell. As for Covid it is fair to say that it really is in charge of that country right now.

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    Trump was no politician rather a businessman
    Wealth heir and real estate you rather meant to say, yes?

    America into a self sufficient country and a country not to be messed with
    Self sufficient, I believe the US auto industry would have maybe you have the micro chips...

    He brought China, Russia and North Korea to the negotiating table
    They may come to the table but theyy than laughed their way out the door.

    strengthened Israel
    How exactly and why should I care last I checked thay were not a state of the USA.

    he put Pence in charge of the fight against Covid and no-one can say that he did a bad job of it considering all the factors facing him
    OK when I stop snorting my coffee out my nose maybe I'll have a better response to this statement.

    Why even illegal immigration was coming under control
    NO it really was not since Trump did zero to actually address the causes of it or the reasons its attractive to try.

    So in closely run states ballots were rigged to favour the left. The dead were voting alongside non-American citizens. Ballot machines were rigged to favour the Democrats and on purpose overseerers were not allowed near them during the vote and count particularly if they were Republican
    Can't argue with somebody living in a fantasy world.
    IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites

    'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'

    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

    Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.

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