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    The team at Tsardoms Total War has started planning for the the next goal: a late campaign starting in 1448. However, in order to achieve this goal we need help from the public. Our team is too small and it would take us many years to do all the detailed research required for a fully historical late campaign.

    The late campaign will use exactly the same map as the 1345 campaign and will have the following factions: (list is still provisional)

    - Ottomans - Murad II (leader 1446 - 1451 - Sultan), Mehmed (heir) - can script in 1351 for Mehmed to take over from Murad II (he abdicated)
    - Karamanids - Ibrahim Bey (leader - 1424 - 1464 - Bey of Karaman)
    - Crimean Khanate (Golden Horde) - Haci Giray (leader 1441 - 1466 - Khan)
    - Athens - Nero II Acciaioli
    - Bosnia - Stjepan Tomas (leader - 1443 - 1461 - King of Bosnia)
    - Serbia - Durad Brankovic (leader - 1427 - 1456 - Despot of Serbia), Lazar Brankovic (heir)
    - Albania - Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg (leader 1444 - 1468 - Lord of Albania)
    - Croatia - Petar Talovac (leader - 1436 - 1453 - ban of Croatia)
    - Austria - Frederick III/V (leader 1440 - regent for the Duke of Austria, did not become Archduke until 1457)/Ladislaus Posthumous (underage)
    - Poland - Casimir IV Jagiellon (leader 1447 - 1492 - King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania)
    - Bohemia - Jiri Podebrady (leader - regent), he took over Prague in 1448, Bohemia is in a civil war - pro-Rome vs Hussite Utraquists
    - Bavaria - Albert III (leader 1438 - 1460 - Duke of Bavaria-Munich)
    - Hungary - Janos Hunyadi (leader 1446-1456 - regent/governor), Matthias Hunyadi (heir)
    - Wallachia - Vlad II Dracul (leader - voivode in 1447), Vlad III Dracula (heir or leader - Voivode in 1448)
    - Moldova - Petru III (leader - voivode), he had several reigns in 1444-1445, 1447, 1448. Ally of John Hunyadi/Hungary, Bogdan II (heir)
    - Roman Empire - John VIII Palaiologos (leader 1425 - 1448 - emperor, dies in December 1448), Constantine XI Palaiologos (heir, crowned emperor Jan 1449 - 1453)
    - Genoa - Giano di Campofregoso (leader 1447 - 1448 - doge), Lodovico di Campofregoso (heir)
    - Florence - Cosimo de Medici (leader 1434 - 1464 - signore), Piero de Medici (heir)
    - Venice - Francesco Foscari (leader 1423 - 1457, doge)
    - Naples - Alfonso I the Magnanimous (leader - 1442 - 1458 - king)
    - Milan - Francesco Sforza (leader), Golden Ambrosian Republic in Milan between 1447 and 1450. Faction will start with settlement of Milan as rebel and Francesco must conquer it in order to become Duke
    - Hospitallers - Jean de Lastic (leader - 1437 - 1454 Grand Master)
    - Ragusa
    - Swiss
    - Papacy

    What we need help with is research in regards to the following:

    - help with writing all of the faction descriptions for the factions to match the situation of 1448

    Since the campaign starts in 1448 and we already did detailed faction history for 1345 the focus should be on the post 1345 history. As such the structure of the text should be:

    - 1 short paragraph for basic history prior to 1345
    - maximum 4-5 paragraphs (can be less) summarising the history between 1345 and 1448
    - 1 closing paragraph

    Examples of faction description texts for 1448 already done:

    Intro menu text for Candarids

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    The Candarid (or Isfendiyarid) Beylik was officially established in 1292. The Seljuq Sultan Masud II took Kastamonu from the Chobanids and gave it to Temur Yaman Candar, a commander from the sultan's candar corps, in thanks for rescuing him from Mongol captivity. Following Temur's death, the Chobanids recovered Kastamon however his son Suleyman I conquered the province and annexed Safranbolu and Sinop. Suleyman I then appointed his son Ibrahim I as governor to Sinop and a second son Ali to Safranbolu. Suleyman I reigned under the authority of the Ilkhanate, until the death of the ruler Abu Sa'id in 1335.

    Following the death of Suleyman I, his sons Ibrahim I and Ali fought for the throne. In 1339 Ibrahim was victorious and took over the rule of Kastamonu. Upon his death, his cousin Adil replaced him and ruled between 1346 and 1361). When Adil died, his son Koturum Bayezid became bey. Koturum Bayezid fought twice with Kadi Burhan al-Din, the ruler of the Sivas region, and in 1383 lost Kastamonu to one of his own sons, Suleyman II, who received military support from the Ottoman sultan Murad I. Koturum Bayezid retreated for Sinop, and thus the Candarid Principality was divided. After Koturum Bayezid's death in 1385, his son Isfendiyar succeeded him in Sinop.

    Based in Kastamonu, Suleyman II remained faithful to Murad I, his supporter in his revolt against his father, and participated in Ottoman campaigns in Europe in 1386 and 1389. However, Murad's successor, the aggressive Beyazid I launched an assault in 1391 on Kastamonu as part of an effort to control the Anatolian beyliks. Suleyman II was killed and the Candarids' rule in Kastamonu ended.

    Meanwhile in the other Candarid state in Sinop, fearing conflict with the powerful Ottomans, Isfendiyar requested immunity from Beyazid and became an Ottoman vassal with autonomy. Kadi Burhan al-Din's short lived but powerful Turkmen state in the Central Anatolia was the main reason for the Ottoman-Candar cooperation in Sinop. However, following the Ottoman sultan's defeat by the Timurids in 1402, Isfendiyar recognized the authority of Tamerlane. The Timurids confirmed Isfendiyar in the traditional Candarid lands of Kastamonu, Kalecik, Tosya, and Cankiri and the beylik was re-established to its full extent.

    After Tamerlane left Anatolia, during the Ottoman Interregnum, Isfendiyar stood close to all the four sons of Beyazid avoiding any conflict. When one of his sons, Kasim claimed control over Cankiri and Tosya, and declared the annexation of these areas to the Ottoman Empire, the Candarids' dominion was divided once more. In 1419 Ottomans further annexed the eastern part of the beylik. Following the death of Mehmed, Isfendiyar revolted against the new sultan Murad II and reconquered the lost lands. However he was eventually defeated and forced to sign a treaty in 1423 abandoning his gains but keeping Sinop and Kastamonu. Isfendiyar died in 1439, to be succeeded by his son Ibrahim II, who upon his death was replaced by Ismail in 1443.

    The Candarids are now ruled by Ismail and have good relations with the Ottomans having family links with them and participating in the Ottoman campaigns of conquest. Despite the current climate there is still a great danger of the Ottomans taking more Candarid territory. Ismail can either continue the policy of appeasement of the Ottomans or he can choose to follow a more aggressive route and take advantage of the current Ottoman-Hungarian wars to try and push back and re-establish a powerful Candarid state like in the times of Isfendiyar. The very survival of the Candarid dynasty and state is at stake, the time is now for great decisions and great actions, the time is now for Total War!




    Intro menu text for Wallachia

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    The Principality of Wallachia emerged as an independent state in the 1330s under the rule of Basarab I who founded the Basarab dynasty. The successors of Basarab, Nicolae Alexandru (1352 - 1364), Vladislav I (1364 - 1377) and Radu I (1377 - 1383) all worked to consolidate the Wallachian state and fought several wars with Hungary even extending their influence South of the Danube in Bulgaria. During this period Wallachia expanding its territorial extend towards the Black Sea, established its own Metropolitan recognised by Byzantium and embarked on an extensive church and fortification building programme.

    As the entire Balkans became an integral part of the growing Ottoman Empire, Wallachia became engaged in frequent confrontations in the final years of the reign of Mircea I (r. 1386–1418). Mircea initially defeated the Ottomans in several battles, including the Battle of Rovine in 1394 and extended his control over briefly extending his rule to the Danube Delta, Dobruja and Silistra. He swung between alliances with Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor, and Jagiellon Poland (taking part in the Battle of Nicopolis). After the battle of Nicopolis, the Ottomans occupied Bulgaria and could attack Wallachia more easily. However, the Ottoman defeat at the battle of Ankara led to the collapse of Ottoman power. Mircea reestablished Wallachian control over Dobrudja and was even involved in the Ottoman civil war supporting several contenders. After Mehmed I became Sultan and ended the civil war he took control of Turnu Măgurele, Giurgiu and Dobrudja and forced Mircea to accept a peace treaty and pay tribute. In 1418–1420, Mircea's son Michael I defeated the Ottomans in Severin, only to be killed in battle by the counter-offensive; in 1422, the danger was averted for a short while when Dan II inflicted a defeat on Murad II with the help of Pippo Spano.

    The peace signed in 1428 inaugurated a period of internal crisis, as Dan had to defend himself against Radu II, who led the first in a series of boyar coalitions against established princes. The boyars were victorious in 1431 (he year when the boyar-backed Alexander I Aldea took the throne. He was the first Romanian ruler to be forced to render military service to the Ottomans. However, the boyars were dealt successive blows by Vlad II Dracul (1436–1442; 1443–1447), who nevertheless attempted to compromise between the Ottoman Sultan and the Holy Roman Empire.

    The following decade was marked by the conflict between the rival houses of Dănești and Drăculești. Faced with both internal and external conflict, Vlad II Dracul reluctantly agreed to pay the tribute demanded of him by the Ottoman Empire, despite his affiliation with Sigismund of Luxembourg and the Order of the Dragon. As part of the tribute, the sons of Vlad II Dracul (Radu cel Frumos and Vlad III Dracula) were taken into Ottoman custody. In 1447 John Hunyadi broke into Wallachia and placed his protege Vladislav II on the throne after Vlad II Dracul and his son were assassinated.

    Recognizing the Christian resistance to their invasion, leaders of the Ottoman Empire released Vlad III to rule in 1448. Vlad has now arrived in Wallachia and has taken control of the country taking advantage of the fact that the previous voivode, Vladislav II was away crusading with John Hunyadi. Vlad is now in a precarious situation, will he stay loyal to his Ottoman overlords or will he decide to join the Christian alliance, break the chains of servitude and become the stuff of legends?



    Intro menu text for Karamanids

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    The Karaminds Emirate traces its origins to the early-mid XIIIth century in Southern Anatolia. The Karamanids managed to take advantage of the internal rivalry and also the conflicts between the Seljuks and the Mongols in order to expand their territory. Many conflicts followed with the Cillician Armenians, the Seljuks, the Mamluks and the Mongol Ilkhanids. They negotiated alliances with other Turkmen clans to raise an army against the Seljuqs and Ilkhanids. During the 1276 revolt of Hatıroglu Şemseddin Bey against Mongol domination in Anatolia, the Karamanids defeated several Mongol-Seljuq armies and in 1277 even managed to temporarily take Konya and place a puppet sultan on the throne.

    The Karamanids continued to increase their power and influence, largely aided by the Mamluks of Egypt, especially during the reign of Baybars. Karamanids captured Konya on two more occasions in the beginning of the XIVth century, but were driven out both times by the Ilkhanid governors of Anatolia. An expansion of Karamanid power occurred after the fall of the Ilkhanids in 1334. A second expansion coincided with Karamanoglu Alaeddin Ali Bey's marriage to the daughter of the Ottoman sultan Murat I, the first important contact between the two dynasties.

    As Ottoman power expanded into the Balkans, Aleaddin Ali Bey captured the city of Beysehir, which had been an Ottoman city. However, it did not take much time for the Ottomans to react and march on Konya, the Karamanid capital city. A treaty between the two kingdoms was formed, and peace existed until the reign of Bayezid I.

    Timur gave control of the Karamanid lands to Mehmet Bey, the oldest son of Aleaddin Ali Bey. After Bayezid I died in 1403, the Ottoman Empire went into a political crisis as the Ottoman family fell prey to internecine strife. It was an opportunity not only for Karamanids but also for all of the Anatolian beyliks. Mehmet Bey assembled an army to march on Bursa. He captured the city and damaged it. However, in 1413 the Ottoman Interregnum ended and in 1414 the Karamanids were defeated by the returning Ottomans. In 1415 Mehmet Bey was captured by the Ottomans and sent to prison. He apologized for what he had done and was forgiven by the Ottoman ruler with peace lasting between 1415-1422.

    Ramazanoglu Ali Bey captured Tarsus while Mehmet Bey was in prison. Mustafa Bey, son of Mehmet Bey, retook the city during a conflict between the Emirs of Sham and the Mamluks of Egypt. After that, the Mamluk sultan Sayf ad-Din Inal sent an army to retake Tarsus from the Karamanids. The Egyptian Mamluks damaged Konya after defeating the Karamanids, and Mehmet Bey retreated from Konya. Ali Bey pursued and captured him; according to an agreement between the two leaders, Mehmet Bey was exiled to Egypt for the rest of his life. However, in 1421 the Mamluk Sultan died and Mehmet was released from prison. Early in 1423, Mehmet II attempted to take Antalya from the Ottomans but he died during the siege and his sons retreated.

    Ibrahim Bey, Mehmet Bey's son, fought against his uncle Ali Bey, and with Ottoman support he ascended to throne in 1424. Nevertheless, their help did not ensure his fidelity to the Ottomans. He secretly allied himself with Kingdom of Hungary against them. During the Ottoman wars in Europe, he was able to capture the city of Beyşehir from the Ottomans. However, in 1433, Ottoman Sultan Murat II returned to Anatolia and Ibrahim sued for peace in 1435. Nevertheless, shortly after the peace, Ibrahim laid a siege on Amasya an important Ottoman city to which Murat reacted by supporting the Dulkadirids to capture the city of Kayseri and İsa, Ibrahim's brother, to capture Akşehir from Karamanids. Ibrahim was forced to lift the siege in 1437. During the following seven years peace prevailed in Anatolia.

    During the Crusade of Varna against the Ottomans in 1443–44, Ibrahim Bey marched on Ankara and Kütahya, destroying both cities. In the meantime, the Ottoman sultan Murad II was returning from Rumelia with a victory against the Hungarian Crusaders. Like all other Islamic emirates in Anatolia, the Karamanids were accused of treason. Hence, Ibrahim Bey accepted all Ottoman terms.

    The glory days of the Karamanid Emirate seem to be long gone. The Ottomans are now the greatest foe in Anatolia and there are few allies around. The peace with the Ottomans is tenuous at best. Ibrahim Bey must find a way out of the current situation, perhaps taking advantage once again of the mounting Hungarian forces and a potential new crusade in the Balkans. Alliances with the remaining beyliks such as the Candarids and even with Christian states could be the path towards the overthrow of the Ottomans. The final goal should be the restoration of the old Seljuk Empire under the Karamanid dynasty!



    Intro Menu text for Genoa

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    The maritime trade Republic of Genoa known as "la Superba" or "la Dominante" rose in the XIth century as one of the dominant naval powers in the Mediteranean and the Black Sea. The Republic took advantage of the Crusades to expand its power and establish colonies and trade posts in Greece, the Levant, Anatolia, the Aegean islands, Crimea and even in the heart of the Roman world in Galata. The Genoese defeated their other maritime rivals of Pisa and Ancona, gained influence over the Roman Empire and fought numerous wars against their remaining Venetian rivals for naval and commercial supremacy.

    In 1339 Simone Boccanegra became the first Doge of Genoa being elected for life but was ousted in 1345. Genoa formally annexed Corsica in 1347. In 1348-1349 and again in 1352 the Byzantines attempted to break away from the Genoese trade dominance in Galata but were defeated and had to agree to a compromise with the Republic. Between 1352 and 1354 Genoa fought a war in Sardinia supporting the rebelling natives against the Aragonese. In 1354, Lesbos was granted as a fief to the Genoese Francesco I Gattilusio.

    Disputes over Black Sea with Venice prompted the outbreak of war in 1350 known as the War of the Straits. Venice allied with King Peter IV of Aragon, who was at odds with Genoa over commerce and control of Sardinia and entered the war in 1351. In 1353 the Venetian-Catalans defeated the Genoese in Sardinia. Alarmed by the defeat, Genoa submitted to Giovanni Visconti, Lord of Milan, in order to secure his financial support. In 1354 the Genoese captured the entire Venetian fleet at Sapienza which led to a peace with Venice in 1355. Freed of the need for support from Milan, the Genoese brought an end to Milanese rule in 1356. Simone Boccanegra returned to power following the liberation from Milan and ruling until his dead in 1363.

    After 1365 the Genoese expanded their trade empire and signed various trade treaties with Cyprus, Portugal and Aragon and acquired Soldaia in Crimea. In 1373-1374 after a war with the Kingdom of Cyprus and Genoa occupied the island.

    In 1376 Venice bought the strategically positioned island of Tenedos near the Dardanelles from the Byzantine Emperor John V, threatening Genoese access to the Black Sea. The Genoese helped John's son Andronikos IV to seize the throne, in return for the transfer of the island to Genoa, initiating a new war between the two republics known as the War of Chioggia. The Genoese, defeated at Anzio (1378), were victorious at Pola (1379) and threatened Venice itself. The naval Battle of Chioggia took place in 1380 and the Venetians completely defeated the Genoese fleet. The war continued for territories around the Dalmatian coast until 1381 when a peace was signed with Venice victorious but which left both states exhausted.

    The XIVth century began with periods of foreign domination in Genoa as a result of the debts and instability following the previous wars. Rising Ottoman power also cut into the Genoese emporia in the Aegean, and the Black Sea trade was reduced.

    In 1396, in order to protect the republic from internal unrest and the provocations of the Duke of Orleans and the former Duke of Milan, the Doge of Genoa Antoniotto Adorno made Charles VI of France the "defender of the municipality" of Genoa. In 1407 the Bank of Saint George was founded which would play a large role in the establishment of the Genoese banking empire. The French dominion ended in 1409 when Theodore II Palaeologus the Marquis of Montferrat became lord of Genoa. His rule ended in 1413 and between 1422 and 1435 Genoa was once again ruled from Milan by Filippo Maria Visconti.

    Sporadic piratical violence between Venetians and Genoese continued, notably in the wake of a naval clash at Modon in 1403. During the period of Milanese rule in Genoa, conflict on the Italian mainland between Milan and Venice drew Genoa into another inconclusive naval war with Venice in 1431-33. In 1431 on the Po river, the fleet in the service of Visconti was defeated by Venice and Florence.

    After 1400, the expansion of Aragonese power in the western Mediterranean posed an increasing threat to Genoa. In 1420 Genoa lost Sardinia to Aragon. A series of full-scale wars (1420–26, 1435–44) broke out between Genoa, Milan and Aragon which involved commercial interests and control over Naples. Genoa's control over Corsica was weakened by internal revolt and Aragonese intervention. In 1435 the Genoese defeated the Aragonese at the naval battle of Ponza and captured Alfonso the King of Aragon. However, Alfonso managed to convince the Milanese overlords of Genoa to switch sides and support Aragon in the dispute with the Angevins over Naples. As a result, the Genoese rose in rebellion and overthrew the Milanese rule. In 1436 the Republic was thus restored with the Doges once again ruling the city as elected officials.

    It is now 1448 and Genoa is ruled by Giano di Campofregoso. The Republic is well past its golden age and has suffered as a result of several wars and foreign rule. The Doge must rally his forces, defeat any internal dissent and look towards re-establishing Genoese dominance in the Mediterranean. The Republic is surrounded by enemies on all sides, in Italy the Milanese and the Aragonese and in its overseas colonies the Ottomans and the Tatars are threatening the very existence of its trade empire. The time is now for a rebirth and for reclaiming the lost glory of la Superba!



    Intro Menu text for Moldova

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    The Principality of Moldova was founded as a polity in the middle of the XIVth century. In 1353, Dragoș, mentioned as a Vlach Knyaz in Maramureș, was sent by the Hungarian King Louis I to establish a line of defense against the Golden Horde on the Siret River. This expedition resulted in a vassal state to Hungary, in the Baia region. Bogdan of Cuhea, another Vlach voivode from Maramureș who had fallen out with the Hungarian king, crossed the Carpathians in 1359, defeated Dragos and took control of Moldova. He succeeded in removing the state from Hungarian control, moved the capital to Siret and founded the Bogdan-Musat dynasty.

    The Hungarians attempted to retake control of Moldova but were defeated in 1366, 1368 and 1370. After Louis of Hungary also became King of Poland he managed to restore Hungarian influence over Moldova even forcing Bogdan's successor, Latcu to convert to Catholicism around 1370. He also started expanding the borders of Moldova towards the Black Sea at the expense of the Tatars. Despite remaining officially Eastern Orthodox and culturally connected with the Byzantine Empire after 1382, princes of the House of Bogdan-Musat entered a conflict with the Constantinople Patriarchy over control of appointments to the newly founded Moldavian Metropolitan seat; Patriarch Antony IV even cast an anathema over Moldavia after Roman I expelled his appointee back to Byzantium.

    Petru II profited from the end of the Hungarian-Polish union and moved closer to the Jagiellon realm, becoming a Polish vassal in 1387. This gesture was to have unexpected consequences: Petru supplied the Polish ruler with funds needed in the war against the Teutonic Knights, and was granted control over the Polish province of Pokuttya until the debt was to be repaid. Prince Petru also expanded his rule southwards to the Danube Delta and moved the capital to Suceava. His brother Roman I conquered Cetatea Alba in 1392, giving Moldova an outlet to the Black Sea becoming the first Moldavian ruler to call himself "voivode from the Carpathian mountains to the Black Sea shore". Roman was toppled from the throne for supporting Fyodor Koriatovych in his conflict with Vytautas the Great of Lithuania. Under his successor Stefan I, the growing Polish influence was challenged by Sigismund of Hungary, whose expedition was defeated by Stefan at Ghindaoani in 1395.

    Alexandru the Kind was brought to the throne in 1400 by Sigismund of Hungary (with assistance from Mircea I of Wallachia) and was one of the most successful Voivode in Moldavia's history ruling until 1432. He initiated a series of reforms while consolidating the status of the Principality, he expanded the bureaucratic system, developed trade, built fortresses and settled the conflict of the Moldavian church with the Patriarch of Constantinople. Several times placed his own choice of rulers in Wallachia. In 1402 shifted his allegiances and became of vassal of Poland. He sent Moldavian forces on the Polish side in the Battle of Grunwald in 1410 and the Siege of Marienburg in 1422. His reign saw the very first confrontation with the Ottoman Turks at Cetatea Alba in 1420. In 1426 Alexandru took advantage of the difficult situation of Dan II in Wallachia and took control of the vital Black Sea port of Chilia. Alexandru launched an attack on Poland during the civil war of 1431-1435 as a result of Polish territorial claims and failure to fulfil their suzerain role against the Ottomans.

    A deep crisis was to follow Alexandru's long reign, with his many sons and successors battling each other in a succession of civil wars that divided the country. Between 1432 and 1443 Alexandru's sons Ilias I and Stefan II battled for power, deposing each other and the throne being occupied by both of them several times. In 1435 after the indecisive battle of Podraga the Polish King intervened in the civil wars and forced Ilias I and Stefan II to share rule of the country with Ilias as nominal ruler and Stefan II ruling the South. In return Moldova had to cede Hotin and Pokuttia to Poland. Stefan II eventually deposed Ilias and assumed power in 1443 and nominated his other brother Petru III as co-ruler. In 1444, Moldova sent troops that joined King Wladyslaw III at the failed Crusade of Varna

    Stefan II was killed in 1447 by the son of Iliaș, Roman II who assumed the throne with Polish support. Petru III returned in 1448 with the help of John Hunyadi. In return for the support Petru III ceded the Chilia to Hungary and sent a cavalry contingent to Hunyadi for his expected expedition into Ottoman-held Serbia.

    The year is now 1448 and the fate of Moldova is hanging on a thread and threats are everywhere. There are pretenders to the throne that are ready to attempt a violent overthrow of the rightful ruler, the Hungarians and Poles are both disputing the overlordship over Moldova and the Ottoman juggernaught is drawing closer and closer. Can the successors of Alexandru the Kind and Bogdan the Founder manage to settle their differences and unite their strength in order to bring Moldova to greatness?



    Only your help can make this happen!
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    Default Re: Tsardoms Total War: Late Campaign - Help

    A question if I may?
    I've been doing a great deal of reading on the subject including the infamous Spanish Pope, well the area in particular, anyway...
    Are all factions gone? Are horde factions possible for possible invasions by a faction.
    How can land owned by own factions Prince be in vassal)fief in another realm? I'm thinking Hungary Branković but list is endless. Forts?
    I had some script thoughts but, you have pretty much done it. One thing how do you get all scripts in hotseat? Playing chess on same pc.

    I forgot whatever you need research I will try. I do say that a lot and mean it.
    But, just say go research a particular topic and I will be back with everything you could ever need. Charts, graphics oh no
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    Default Re: Tsardoms Total War: Late Campaign - Help

    When you say are all factions gone do you mean faction slots? No, for late campaign we have 5 faction slots empty which we will probably use for copy-paste factions. Basically, just copying a faction like Aydinids and renaming them to Isfendiyarids or copying Florence and renaming it Siena. We don't have manpower to do anything else than that. They probably won't even have new banners.

    Land own by a faction vassal in another realm? Not possible in M2 engine. You can have forts with troops in another land but they will get attacked by AI.

    Yes, scripts are in hotseat too but it's not recommended. They should be removed from descr strat.

    About research, well just pick a faction you like and research the names of important generals, what their family trees are plus names of known priests/diplomats and people that can be used as spies and assassins. And of course the faction descriptions for the factions to match the situation of 1448. Otherwise it will be just be empty as we don't have time/manpower to write the descriptions. It took me over 5 years to write the existing ones for the 1345 campaign and that's not going to happen again

    We have the map pretty much covered.

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    I will try to help the Hungarian faction after the autumn.
    I started but not yet finished my research for the Hungarian kingdom for the 1345 campaign. I interrupted my research on forts and monasteries because I didn’t have enough time for it because of my studies. But I want to continue to both campaigns.

    Anyone undertake unit modifications to Tsardoms in the near future?
    I began to research the military history of the Middle and Early Modern Hungarian Kingdom, collecting images of weapons finds and contemporary depictions of soldiers. (I have more and more books and pictures, but I haven't processed them yet) I collect them primarily for myself, but I share the results with the modelers if they want to improve the Hungarian units.

    Some rare pictures from my collection:
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    Thank you. It would be cool if you could do the research for hungarian faction. We would basically need the name of a noble/governer/ispan for each of the Hungarian settlements in the mod. If there are portraits for any of them feel free to post them too as we can make them unique characters like in the 1345 campaign.

    Plus of course the family of the ruler, the family of the main nobles, the names of agents, diplomats, priests, princesses, spies, assassins (i know the last 2 are hard to find so just some real people that can play those roles in the mod). Because Hungary is basically in an interregnum and the M2 engine is limited we have Hunyadi as faction leader (regent) and his son as future heir which will need to be crowned.

    Unfortunately, we won't be changing any of the units as we don't have time or manpower for that. We only have one single modder (jurcek) and he is working on coding/scripting and will be working on the 1448 campaign so there is no one else to do unit work.

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    Think Leader change for Ottomans should be automatic for AI and a decision for player.
    FREE THE NIPPLE!!!

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    Dont know if it is still needed but for Albania I found 1 potential diplomat and 1 potential priest depending wich state religion Albania will have in 1448. Stefan Bishop of Kruje a Orthodox Bishop and Nikollë de Berguçi a catholic Bishop. They are infact real since I even looked up a Albanian website for the info using google translate wich said that they were orthodox and catholic although their names werent mentioned.
    For commanders and governers we got Leke Dukagjini (Dukagjini family), Theodor Korone Muzaka (Muzaka family), Moisi Golemi (Arianiti family), Hamza Kastriot (Katriot family) , Gjergj Arianiti (Arianiti family), Vrana Konti(not part of the big familys), Pjeter Perlati (not part of the familys), Tanush Topia (Topia family). To see where each family would be there is a map wich is way too big but I couldnt find any others wich werent and I cant really comment on wich province or part of the map to put them. I apologize if this was all information you already had.

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    Thank you for your help +rep. We already did Albania a few months ago. They will be catholic and these map images are outdated, they'll have another starting settlement (Diber)

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    Hello everyone we need your help for research for Genoa for the 1448 campaign.

    If you would like to play the 1448 campaign please assist us in finding the following information:

    - who was the Podesta/ruler of Kaffa
    - who was the most important Giustiniani (other than Giovanni Giustiniani Longo) who could be the ruler of Chios
    - who were the 2 most important members of the house of Doria (under the age of 40)

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    I will do my best, I have a massive library covering almost everything, but I have a lack of anything about Zenia. That said I can use my alumni access, as I'm a researcher by trade but I'm not great due to my depression and bipolar with meeting my promise. But I will see what I can find. Found some great stuff I've been collecting too.
    I know you have sorted most, but never know I've just done a research of whole period and was going to present my findings. I didn't know time was of the essence.
    Sorry. Probably should of said I was researching

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    Hey man thank you very much for the help. I actually ended up doing the research by myself and finished Genoa. However, we do need help with Sicily. It is actually not very difficult, we have all the information from Machiavello mod which takes place in 1441. So we need help going through the huge list of characters from Machiavello, reduce it and bring it to the year 1448.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    - who were the 2 most important members of the house of Doria (under the age of 40)
    For a secondary branch we have those:

    Corsica had 2 Doria as governors:
    -Pier Battista Doria(sent in 1453 to Corsica as "Visitatore" with 500 men, for the Office of San Giorgio)
    -Battistino Doria in 1454.

    I cannot get their birth date though, my book mentions Pier Battista had under his governance half of the island and faced rebels supported by Arago, in the same year he was replaced by Selvago de'Selvaghi who faced 700 italian mercenaries and 8 galleys from Arago. After several defeats Genoeses retreated to Calvi.

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    Don't recall seeing Machiavello mod, sounds good. 1448, still Aragon in Napoli, but the Spanish crown imposed it's authority. I can do that, plenty on Spanish Habsburgs and the Imperial Catholic majesties of Aragon/Castile -Spain.

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    What of Papacy?
    Can I ask that the player still decides the religion of his subjects, it's often political. In the case of Albania it's simply real politik.
    Catholicism meant Papal support, but if like the Romans you realise it's a way of subjugation. Then you can truly go independent and stick to your people's religion.
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    Ok here is all of the information you will need, take as much time as you like! Other than this information, if you have time we would also need an introduction text written for Sicily summarising the situation of the faction in 1448. Sort of a summary of the events which happened between 1345 when our first campaign took place and 1448.

    What we will need is the list of generals for the faction (and their age, if you don't know the age just make it up or approximate) as well as in which settlement they should be plus a list of agents (priest, diplomat, assassin and spy but no merchant) and their age.

    I know it's hard to find spies or assassins but just some names of people that actually existed at the time can be used.

    Naples-Sicily Settlements in Tsardoms

    Aquila
    Napoli
    Salerno
    San_Severo
    Bari
    Taranto
    Messina
    Palermo
    Siracusa
    Cagliari

    As a rule of thumb we generally give 1.5 generals for each settlement. Naples-Sicily starts with 10 settlements so it can have up to 15 generals.

    Previously each faction had 3 noble houses + the ruling house.

    The noble houses of the factions were:

    Naples - Sanseverine, de Balzo, Acquaviva
    Sicily - Palizzi, Chiaramonte, Moncada

    Now the two factions are joined. We will have the House of Trastamara as the ruling house and we will need about 4-5 other noble houses. So out of the ones above I think we need eliminate Palizzi and maybe another house and possibly replace any ones which are no longer relevant.

    For generals that are part of noble families we would need to also know the name of their wife and any children if known so we can make their family tree.

    Characters in Machiavello

    - the mod Machiavello starts in 1441 so for the age of the characters add +7 as our campaign starts in 1448
    - As a rule of thumb we don't want characters older than 40-50ish unless they are really important as they will die very quickly


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    character Alfonso Trastamara, named character, male, leader, age 45, x 256, y 146, portrait AlfonsoVAragona,
    character Ferrante Trastamara, named character, male, heir, age 17, x 287, y 57
    character Antonio Caldora, named character, male, age 41, x 246, y 185
    character Carlo Monforte, named character, male, age 25, x 245, y 186
    character Guglielmo_Raimondo Moncada, named character, male, age 26, x 270, y 40
    character Giovanni Ventimiglia, named character, male, age 58, x 230, y 55
    character Antonio Ventimiglia, named character, male, age 26, x 235, y 30
    character Inigo d-Avalos, named character, male, age 27, x 253, y 147, label Inigo_dAvalos1
    character Giannantonio Orsini_del_Balzo, named character, male, age 55, x 331, y 126
    character Giosia Acquaviva, named character, male, age 43, x 328, y 143
    character Giulio_Antonio Acquaviva, named character, male, age 16, x 323, y 139
    character Angilberto del_Balzo, named character, male, age 36, x 357, y 123
    character Giacomo Colonna, named character, male, age 25, x 227, y 154
    character Giovanni Sanseverino, named character, male, age 42, x 292, y 126
    character Antonio Sanseverino, named character, male, age 39, x 302, y 133
    character Inigo Guevara, named character, male, age 41, x 276, y 146
    character Giovanni_Antonio Marzano, named character, male, age 41, x 306, y 90
    character Onorato Caetani, named character, male, age 20, x 236, y 152
    character Raimondello Orsini, named character, male, age 46, x 268, y 134
    character Orso Orsini, named character, male, age 27, x 263, y 133
    character Francesco Zurlo, named character, male, age 25, x 264, y 137
    character Francesco Orsini, named character, male, age 36, x 313, y 136
    character Traiano Caracciolo, named character, male, age 38, x 293, y 142
    character Niccolo Cantelmo, named character, male, age 44, x 238, y 166
    character Angelo Centelles, named character, male, age 46, x 327, y 84
    character Antonio Centelles, named character, male, age 16, x 328, y 84
    character Bernardo_Gaspare d-Aquino, named character, male, age 25, x 256, y 150
    character Giovanni_Antonio Orsini, named character, male, age 20, x 228, y 178
    character Guglielmo Sanframondo, named character, male, age 20, x 275, y 33
    character Battista Caracciolo, named character, male, age 29, x 252, y 46
    character Enrico Guevara, named character, male, age 44, x 266, y 155
    character Alfonso Cardona, named character, male, age 20, x 291, y 54
    character Americo Sanseverino, named character, male, age 51, x 274, y 133
    character Giacomo Sanseverino, named character, male, age 19, x 275, y 133
    character Francesco Sanseverino, named character, male, age 26, x 263, y 142
    character Francesco Pandone, named character, male, age 20, x 246, y 161
    character Marino Caracciolo, named character, male, age 34, x 294, y 133
    character Jacopo Piccinino, named character, male, age 18, x 232, y 156



    Here is an example of how I structured the research for Florence, we will need it done similarly for Naples:

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    Example

    Generals

    House of Medici

    Cosimo de Medici - 59 - House of Medici - we have unique image already (also in Machiavello)
    Piero de Medici the Gouty - 32 son of Cosimo - House of Medici - we have unique image already (also in Machiavello). Piero is married to Lucrezia and they have several children all underage: Bianca (age 3), Lorenzo the Magnificent) (age 1, born in 1449 but we should have him already, we have him as a spawned character in 1345 campaign so we should have his character image)

    House of Pitti
    Luca Pitti - age 50 - House of Pitti (replaces House of Albizzi) - unique character image Artnet.com
    Luca is married to Fioretta who died in 1446. They have 3 children: Buoncorso, Spinetto and Maria. Since 3 might be too many we can add Buoncorso (29) age who is married to Francesca and also his sister Maria (say age 14).
    Buoncorso Pitti (29) - son of Luca and Fioretta. Married to Francesca

    House of Pazzi

    Jacopo Pazzi - age 27 - House of Pazzi - married to Maddalena Serristori (17). His parents are Andrea de Pazzi and Caterina Salviati (both dead). We can give him a unique picture if possible, use one of these two Assassinscreed.fandom.com'_Pazzi or Medici-masters-of-florence.f...le=Manhoos.jpg
    Antonio Pazzi - age 38 - House of Pazzi. brother of the above


    House of Acciaioli

    Agnolo Acciaioli - age 50 - Gonfalonier - House of Acciaiuoli - in Florence
    The Athens branch of Accioli - these characters will be located in Athens:
    Nerio II Acciaioli (39) - wife Chiara Duke of Athens - image here En.wikipedia.org
    Francesco I Acciaioli (8) - son of Nerio II and Chiara - image here En.wikipedia.org

    In order to make Agnolo and Nerio II related we have to make a fairly large family tree with some dead people. Here is the family tree:
    Their common ancestor is Jacopo. He had two sons where the line breaks in two - Donato (who is the grandfather of Agnolo) and Francesco (who is the father of Nerio II)

    Reference: It.wikipedia.org

    Agents

    - Bernardo Bandini (27) - assassin (the real life killer of Giuliano de Medici) We can give him a unique picture if possible, use one of these two Assassinscreed.fandom.com or Davincisdemons.fandom.com
    - Giovanni de Diotisalvi (20) - priest, future metropolitan archbishop of Florence
    - Giuliano Portinari (37) - admiral, with fleet next to Pisa
    - Niccolo Soderini (47) - merchant
    - Piero Pazzi (32) - spy
    - Pierfrancesco de Medici (17) - diplomat, unique image Commons.wikimedia.org...'_Medici.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antiokhos Euergetes View Post
    Don't recall seeing Machiavello mod, sounds good. 1448, still Aragon in Napoli, but the Spanish crown imposed it's authority. I can do that, plenty on Spanish Habsburgs and the Imperial Catholic majesties of Aragon/Castile -Spain.
    I have posted above the things that we require. The royal family is only part, we also need info about the other nobility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiokhos Euergetes View Post
    What of Papacy?
    Can I ask that the player still decides the religion of his subjects, it's often political. In the case of Albania it's simply real politik.
    Catholicism meant Papal support, but if like the Romans you realise it's a way of subjugation. Then you can truly go independent and stick to your people's religion.
    For Papacy we have done the actual Popes and cardinals but we also need to do the noble families too. Like the Orsini and the like.

    We don't have a finalised change of religion script except for Bosnia. We used to have one for the Romans, where they could become Catholic but i don't think it was ever finalised. Perhaps in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by VINC.XXIII View Post
    For a secondary branch we have those:

    Corsica had 2 Doria as governors:
    -Pier Battista Doria(sent in 1453 to Corsica as "Visitatore" with 500 men, for the Office of San Giorgio)
    -Battistino Doria in 1454.

    I cannot get their birth date though, my book mentions Pier Battista had under his governance half of the island and faced rebels supported by Arago, in the same year he was replaced by Selvago de'Selvaghi who faced 700 italian mercenaries and 8 galleys from Arago. After several defeats Genoeses retreated to Calvi.
    This is perfect! Thanks VINC. Have added this info and now have finalised Genoa.

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    Default Re: Tsardoms Total War: Late Campaign - Help

    Just a small correction to Sicily's settlement list, Siracusa is no longer in the game but add Cosenza and Potenza so that makes 11 in total

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    The noble houses of the factions were:

    Naples - Sanseverine, de Balzo, Acquaviva
    Sicily - Palizzi, Chiaramonte, Moncada

    Now the two factions are joined. We will have the House of Trastamara as the ruling house and we will need about 4-5 other noble houses. So out of the ones above I think we need eliminate Palizzi and maybe another house and possibly replace any ones which are no longer relevant.


    @Wallachian

    -Balzo family:

    Giovanni Antonio Orsini Del Balzo (1386-1463) - age 47 (the dob is uncertain) - Taranto
    - Prince of Taranto, Count of Lecce, Grand Conestable
    - son of Raimondo Orsini Del Balzo (dead) and of Maria d'Enghien (dead)
    - married with Anna Colonna (say age 30)

    -Orsini family:

    Prince of Salerno, Grand Justiciar (circa 1390-1400-death 1456) Orsino Orsini
    Duke of Gravina Francesco Orsini(-1456, so he was already old by 1448, not sure if should be included, but the two old guys are major characters)
    Giacomo Orsini 1410-1472 Duke of Gravina from 1460 to his death
    Raimundo Orsini death in 1488, Duke of Gravina from 1472 to his death

    -Acquaviva:
    Duke of Atri Giosia, 1399-1462
    Giulio Antononio 1428-1481 - age 20 - Aquila
    - character image https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...oto_giulio.jpg
    - reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulio_Antonio_Acquaviva

    -Sanseverino:
    Roberto Sanseverino (1430 circa – 1474)
    Antonello Sanseverino (1448-1499)

    -Caracciolo:
    Duke of Melfi Troiano Caracciolo (1422 - 1449)
    Giovanni Caracciolo son of Troiano, not sure about his age

    Sources for their offices/titles come from Pietro Giannone writings(Civil History of Naples) about King Ferrante summoning a Parliament, february 1443. Vol.3 p.486-487

    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    Can you also please outline a bit the situation of the Angevins in Italy? I understand there was still some leftover Angevin holdouts and Jean of Anjou, Duke of Lorraine invaded Italy and had a few battles against the Aragonese.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...e_Sarno_(1460)

    Do we know the names of the dissatisfied Neapolitan nobles who joined with Jean of Anjou and which cities rebelled?
    I'm not sure about his personal holdings in Italy, actually Giovanni II was backed by G.A Orsini Del Balzo and Antonio Caldora 1400-1477(viceroy in Abruzzo region, Duke of Bari, Count of Palena, Aversa)at least. I can't find anything on cities but its safe to assume Orsini holdings(Taranto)+Abruzzo can become rebels by script if you're planning a civil war("Conspiracy of the Barons").

    https://condottieridiventura.it/antonio-caldora/
    Minor commanders(900 cavalrymen, joined Giovanni II d'Angio in 1459):
    -Cola di Monforte(1415-1478)
    -Giacomo Montagno(death 1477)

    Here Orsini holdings one year before battle of Sarno
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    erratum: one source gives Antonio Caldora as Duke of Bari and another states its Orsini Del Balzo land, I can't be sure atm but whatever Duchy of Bari went rebel as both potential holders were aforementionned G.A Orsini and A.Caldora.
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    This is fantastic information VINC thank you. Which Balzo is the Prince of Taranto? Should it be Giovanni Antonio Orsini del Balzo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovan...sini_del_Balzo ?

    What about he Acquaviva and the Sanseverinos? Which ones should they be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    This is fantastic information VINC thank you. Which Balzo is the Prince of Taranto? Should it be Giovanni Antonio Orsini del Balzo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovan...sini_del_Balzo ?

    What about he Acquaviva and the Sanseverinos? Which ones should they be?
    Pietro Giannone(17th cent. historian and jurist), doesn't call peoples by their full names, they're just "Acquaviva the duke of Atri"... I've updated the post with more infos I've found, some could maybe be emergeant characters, there are old peoples among but it can't be helped. For neapolitan branch of Orsini we can have Raimundo as emergeant(in the 1460's) to ensure family don't die out.

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