Cuban Protests - Patria y Vida — homeland and life

[Heathen Hammer]

LOL at Biden administration turning away Cuban refugees.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Because people that just escaped a murderous communist regime on a piece of cardboard aren't every likely to vote for communism-lite Democrat party once they naturalize.

[EmperorBatman999]

Why? Did the Biden administration promise to take in every single refugee that comes to the US or attempts to?

The DHS chief, Alejandro Mayorkas, is a Cuban refugee who came in the 60s.

Edit: Not to mention, but the entire thing about Biden’s campaign for election was that he would show a much friendlier face for America and be open to taking in more refugees and expanding immigration.

[irontaino]

Because people that just escaped a murderous communist regime on a piece of cardboard aren't every likely to vote for communism-lite Democrat party once they naturalize.

Lol, Imagine actually thinking Democrats are left-wing.

[Heathen Hammer]

Lol, Imagine actually thinking Democrats are left-wing.

That's why I said lite. Pretty much same reason why woke neoliberalism is so unpopular in former Warsaw Pact nations.

[irontaino]

That's why I said lite. Pretty much same reason why woke neoliberalism is so unpopular in former Warsaw Pact nations.

Imagine thinking the center-right Democrats are communism anything (lite included).

[Vanoi]

The DHS chief, Alejandro Mayorkas, is a Cuban refugee who came in the 60s.

Edit: Not to mention, but the entire thing about Biden’s campaign for election was that he would show a much friendlier face for America and be open to taking in more refugees and expanding immigration.

Not a fan of Vox but

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...p-resettlement

Biden has increased the refugee cap. However he is still trying to reverse and fix the Trump era policies that significantly capped the number of refugees the US takes in.

[Heathen Hammer]

Imagine thinking the center-right Democrats are communism anything (lite included).

I bet that tankies, mentally stuck in past century, unironically believe that. Right-left dichotomy is silly.
Neoliberal elites have bet on majority of supporters of marxist ideas being unintelligent enough to confuse actual marxist policies with literally the very definition of predatory globalist capitalism, only sprinkled with cosmetic nonsensical neomarxist wokeness and Western marxist millieu bit the lure hook, line and sinker.
Of course "democratic socialist" types do not care care about leftist ideas, as they tend to live in mansions and luxurious apartments, safely separated from consequences of their policies by nice white-majority gated neighborhoods and armed security detail (so much for being anti-gun).
Having said that, globalist neolibs themselves are same side of authoritarian turd as regimes in Cuba and China. People that experienced authoritarianism tend to see through smoke and mirrors and make conclusions accordingly. Hence why globalists hate demographics that experienced authoritarianism, be it anti-Castro Cubans in America or Poles and Hungarians in Europe.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The DHS chief, Alejandro Mayorkas, is a Cuban refugee who came in the 60s.

Edit: Not to mention, but the entire thing about Biden’s campaign for election was that he would show a much friendlier face for America and be open to taking in more refugees and expanding immigration.

The Biden administration said Tuesday it is expanding a program that will allow Central American minors to come to the United States legally, possibly making tens of thousands of young people newly eligible to enter the country, according to the Wall Street Journal.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/biden-ad...merican-minors

Maybe coincidence, maybe not.

[EmperorBatman999]

Maybe coincidence, maybe not.

It occurred to me that that might be the case.

Still, what if, had this administration possessed leadership with more alacrity, Biden accepted the refugees and offered his help to the Patria y Vida protesters to push for democratization and regime change? Those things together might finally swing the Cuban vote over to the Democrat side, as Biden would be doing what no Republican president has been willing to try since Eisenhower.

[Vanoi]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cubans-fe...085332730.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...demic-rcna1399

Great articles talking about the US embargo. The Cuban rege may blame the embargo for it's current word but Cuba itself is to blame for it's current situation. An embargo doesn't prevent you from conducting economic reforms like other Communist countries did. Even the Vietnamese on a visit to Cuba in 2018 suggested that they adopt a market style economy.

Lack of reforms combined with the pandemic and less support from Venezuela is the cause for Cuba's problems. Getting rid of the embargo won't solve the problem with Cuba's Soviet style centrally planned economy.

[Ludicus]

Of course Israel doesn’t count. It shouldn’t even exist, right?.

Don't even try... that's another cheap, intellectually dishonest and nauseating insinuation. I never said that.The pertinent question is why far-right are obsessed with denying holocaust/ the uniqueness of the holocaust, and praising Hitler? Holocaust-Comparative trivialization - Total War Center Forums
Keep to the topic.
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Sens. Moran, Klobuchar, Leahy Introduce Legislation to Lift Cuba embargo
House Democrats Call on Biden to Lift Trump's Cuba Sanctions

In march eighty House democrats sent a letter to Biden imploring him to repeal Trump’s cruel sanctions on Cuba and return to Obama administration’s approach of rekindled engagement.

Embargo is the first step America systematically takes to spread democracy by force to other countries.The best way to democratize Cuba, the right thing to do is is to lift the embargo, not try to throw the country into anarchy. You don’t want another Vietnam or Iraq on Americas’s doorsteps.
Temptation is always there- but Cuba is not Haiti, Haiti assassination: Colombian suspects received U.S. military

Why Washington's Plans for Haiti Keep Failing - Foreign Policy

The nation’s poverty and chaos has been shaped by Washington for decades. The blood had barely dried on the floor of Haitian President Jovenel Moïse’s bedroom before calls for U.S. involvement began.
The first U.S. invasion of Haiti was more than a century ago—occasioned, in fact, by the last assassination of a sitting Haitian president. It came at a time when the United States was ramping up its own global ambitions. At the turn of the 20th century, U.S. forces were busy invading most of Central America and Mexico and outright annexing thousands of Pacific islands, including Hawaii and the Philippines.
In the 1910s, U.S. elites began setting their sights on Haiti—the second oldest independent nation in the Americas and the first to abolish slavery globally. U.S. President Woodrow Wilson used the assassination his policies had helped foment as the pretext for an all-out invasion...

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In fact, not taking into account the international boycott of the new Haiti in 1804- the first black republic at at time when the US was a slave nation as was England ( yes,my dear libertarian who refuses to acknowledge the existence of structural racism in your country - keep in mind that someone rightly wrote that “America wasn't a democracy until Black Americans made it one”, not even taking into account the unbelievable French debt of 1938, when France extorted Haiti, the most serious blow Haiti ever had to her independence was the occupation of the US Marines in 1915-1935.
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2010-The Independent, Cuban medics in Haiti put the world to shame | The Independent

are the backbone of fight against cholera. (...) and amid the fanfare and publicity surrounding the arrival of help from the US and the UK, hundreds more Cuban doctors, nurses ans therapists arrived with barely a mention. Most countries were gone within two months, again leaving the Cuba and and Médicins Sans Frontièresas the principal healthcare providers for the impoverished Caribbean island.
the traveling doctors... wining them friends and favours around across the globe. The best initiative is Operation Miracle, which began with ophthalmologists treating cataracts. This initiative has restored the sight of 1.8 million people in 35 countries, including that of Mario Teran, the Bolivian sergeant who killed Che Guevare in 1967.

Le'ts go back to 2018, Thousands of Cuban doctors leave Brazil after Bolsonaro's win
New York Times- Brazil Fails to Replace Cuban Doctors, Hurting Health Care of 28 Million.
Guess what- two years later, 2020 - Brazil lets Cuban doctors resume work

... in remote areas, where Cuban doctors were deployed when Havana’s programme was in force in the country. Mais Medicos (More Doctors) is the programme under which Cuba sent more than 8,000 doctors to work in under-served public clinics and hospitals in Brazil.

For Obama haters, olé!

[Knight of Heaven]

For Obama haters

I Dont recall him ever lifting the embargo in its 8 years being the President. Neither did the congress dominated by Democrats.

He did loose some superficial symbolic measures, and that was it.

At any case it is a red hearing at this point. And it has been for a long time.

This bloodshed, and repression didn't happened because of an embargo. The Cuban authoritarian Regime chose to do what usually the majority of authoritarian regimes due in face of protest. Regardless of geopolitics.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Still, what if, had this administration possessed leadership with more alacrity, Biden accepted the refugees and offered his help to the Patria y Vida protesters to push for democratization and regime change? Those things together might finally swing the Cuban vote over to the Democrat side, as Biden would be doing what no Republican president has been willing to try since Eisenhower.

That would appear to be a no brainer to me as well. As for why it isn’t therefore happening that way, I have my own estimations, and none are very positive. The US in general is inwardly focused for the last several years, and the Biden Admin has proven to be motivated primarily by domestic political concerns, despite its bid to present as returning America to global leadership roles.

This situation in Cuba is another example of that. As you mention, it seems like a no brainer for the Biden Admin to do the default US thing and say, “communism bad, American freedom good, go protestors.” But for whatever reason, they seem to want to triangulate even such a basic issue, preferring instead to talk about Covid and urge the communists to play nice - in sharp contrast to the resolute support the Cuban government is getting from China. I suspect the fact that a significant wing of the Democrat Party has romanticized the Castro regime, and parroted its talking points about who is to blame for the country’s problems, will continue to limit Biden’s options. Plus, the Admin has already said before that Cuba policy isn’t high on their list of priorities, so we’ll see if the protests change their mind.

Don't even try... that's another cheap, intellectually dishonest- as usual- and nauseating insinuation. I never said that.The pertinent question is why your far-right friends are obsessed with denying holocaust/ the uniqueness of the holocaust, and praising Hitler?

There’s nothing intellectual about your post or your talking points, let alone honest. Your continued projection and whataboutism is all you have to offer (invoking Godwin’s Law, to boot). I’m not the one who stressed that Israel “doesn’t count,” alleging the country is a puppet of the US. You did, and I’m fairly certain you’re not right wing. Furthermore, opposition to the existence of Israel and praise for the murderous authoritarian government of Cuba currently being protested against is a predominantly left wing phenomenon in the US, including by groups ostensibly dedicated to the advancement of human rights (post 7, 25). Nauseating indeed.

Several major countries trade with Cuba, nevertheless, the Cuban government restricts food and medicine imports into the country, as cited. Furthermore, the US exports tens of millions of dollars worth of food there each year. I’m sure you knew that. In any case, the usual “muh America bad” tankie deflections aren’t gonna fly here. The superior communist system of Cuba shouldn’t need American capitalist dollars and American capitalist trade goods to function - after all, as you said, when Cuba had those things, it was a terrible, awful place colonized by US corporations. That’s just what happens when a tiny island country heavily dependent on imports trades in any significant capacity with a massive, comparatively self-sufficient superpower on its doorstep. You don’t get to have it both ways, and neither does the Cuban government. God willing, the people of Cuba will throw off the yoke of communism someday and be “colonized” by the relative prosperity enjoyed by those who were able to escape to capitalist America.

[Ludicus]

Furthermore, opposition to the existence of Israel...

Stay on topic. There's already a thread about Israel.Stop your dirty, paranoid insinuations. Israel is the only country to support US, as the rest of the world condemns the embargo. That is a fact, not an opinion.
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If the embargo doesn't work, and sanctions failed to cripple the Cuban economy (false) stop it. Even more importantly, 97% or more of world governments openly oppose America's policy. Read below.
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I Dont recall him ever lifting the embargo

He tried and failed.In his 2015 State of the Union Address to Congress, Obama called on lawmakers to lift the embargo against Cuba, a message he reiterated in 2016.
Obama was right when he said that the blockade was a inconsequential policy. While there–in Cuba-he said he was there to "bury the last vestige of the Cold War in the Americas" (sic). But he firmly added: "'Even if the embargo was lifted tomorrow, Cubans would not be able to fulfill their potential without the continued change here in Cuba"
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EU urges Cuba to 'immediately' release detained protesters
I concur, we all concur.
And yet, take note,all these countries voted on the necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the US against Cuba.
Before the vote, the U.S. mission’s political coordinator, Rodney Hunter, told the assembly that the Biden administration voted “no” because the United States believes sanctions are key to advancing democracy and human rights (sic)
I would say, tough, that those who fill their mouths with the word democracy should accept the democratic result of the almost unanimous vote in the U.N.
184 countries voting against the US, isn’t that enough?generally speaking, the US "proudly alone" behavior is in part a lingering pretension to the well known manifest destiny of imperial greatness.On the other hand, let me put it frankly ,American politicians have not yet dared end the embargo because nobody wants to alienate the Cuban electorate in Florida.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Israel is the only country to support US, as the rest of the world condemns the embargo. That is a fact, not an opinion.

Stay on topic. There's already a thread about Israel.Stop your dirty, paranoid insinuations.

If the embargo doesn't work, and sanctions failed to cripple the Cuban economy (false) stop it. Even more importantly, 97% or more of world governments openly oppose America's policy. Read below.

No one claimed the sanctions on Cuba haven’t served a purpose. Just because the US sends food to Cuba, despite import restrictions on it placed by the Cuban government, that doesn’t mean the regime should be permitted to enrich itself with access to the world financial system. As I said, the Cuban regime has its many trading partners around the the world, if the food the US already sends isn’t enough of a supplement. Accordingly, the rest of the world can back a communist regime - from which people risk their lives to flee - all they want. That’s a reflection on “the world,” not the US.

[Ludicus]

Stay on topic. There's already a thread about Israel.Stop your dirty, paranoid insinuations.

Why you are echoing what I said? it doesn't make sense
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the rest of the world can back a communist regime

"The world is against us", "we are right and the rest of the world is wrong" is another example of a paranoid grandiosity of a "indispensable nation". As I said before, and I repeat,the best and smartest way to help the democratization of Cuba is to lift the embargo. That is the opinion of the rest of democratic world.Why some countries think they are always right?

[Heathen Hammer]

EU urges Cuba to 'immediately' release detained protesters

Cuba should unironically reply by demanding that Western states immediately release all detained January 6 protesters and Julian Assange.

[Infidel144]

Why you are echoing what I said? it doesn't make sense

It seems rather obvious in that you introduced Israel into the thread, and then claimed Israel did not count. And are now upset that you are being called on it.


Speaking of which, can you elucidate how you are against BDS?

[Lord Thesaurian]

Cubans' calls for political change grow louder than ever: 'Not about the embargo'

While Cubans expressed anger over shortages in food and medicine, rising inflation and power outages — amid the challenges of Covid-19 — many of the chants throughout the island called for political change and included expressions such as “libertad” (liberty), “We want change” and “Down with the dictatorship.”

Many Cuban Americans say that should not be glossed over.

“For the first time in 62 years, they are risking their lives from one end of the island to the other to demand accountability from the regime,” Carmen Peláez, a Cuban American filmmaker and Democratic political consultant, said. “I’m anti-embargo. But it’s not about the embargo right now. That’s not what this fight is about.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...tests-rcna1437

Tankies on suicide watch.

[Vanoi]

The real question is will these protests actually change anything? These are definitely the worst protests the Cuban regime has had in a while but the Cuban regime seems to be holding strong regardless. You don't want to fizzle out like the Venezuelan protests.