Cuban Protests - Patria y Vida — homeland and life

[irontaino]

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[B. W.]

Thank you Democrats for turning Florida red.

[Cope]

The definitely not Marxist BLM organization has released a statement denouncing the US and praising Cuba’s communist regime as well as the terrorist Assata Shakur.

[EmperorBatman999]

The definitely not Marxist BLM organization has released a statement denouncing the US and praising Cuba’s communist regime as well as the terrorist Assata Shakur.

So now we know for absolute certainty that BLM’s Marxism fetish is precluding them from having any genuinely democratic sentiments.

The tragedy about what is going on with the US response to Cuba is that although this situation should be a great opportunity to genuinely expand democracy and human rights, it is being used as yet another political standpoint issue and no interventions are being launched to back the protests and bring down the communist experiment on Cuba. It’s a sad day when you have people making excuses for the Cuban communist regime. If anything, I’d think American Soc-Dems would want to see the Cuban regime gone so that there is one less example their detractors can use when arguing for the failures of socialism.

If anything, the US is only committing to blocking refugees from fleeing Cuba to the US, all under the guidance of the current DHS chief, himself being a Cuban refugee.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The definitely not Marxist BLM organization has released a statement denouncing the US and praising Cuba’s communist regime as well as the terrorist Assata Shakur.

This latest batch of propaganda is especially comical:

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Cuba’s excellent medical system could develop its own Covid vaccines were it not for US sanctions

Cuba’s brutal authoritarian government is super cool because they stand in solidarity with our preferred racial identitarian movements around the world, and harbor a terrorist we like.

The US should remove sanctions on Cuba and thereby economically colonize Cuba with American capitalism/free trade, because prohibiting that is a violation of Cubans’ sovereignty and human rights, especially the non-white ones.
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The usual logical contradictions on full display here were analyzed in this essay by John McWhorter. Assata Shakur isn’t the only murderer/terrorist BLM has officially advocated for, and they aren’t opposed to economic divestment from and state opposition to countries if it fits their agenda.

Federal Action:

Removal of Assata Shakur from international terrorist lists.

Rescind the bounty on the head of Assata Shakur.

Cease all current investigations and cold cases into former activists. Some cities like NYC, have ongoing “unsolved.” We know of the recent indictments of activists and freedom fighters from the civil and human rights era of the 60s and 70s like;

Imam Jamil Al Amin (formerly known as H Rap Brown), captured in 2000

Kamau Sadiki, captured in 2002 for a case from 1971

https://web.archive.org/web/20160801...litical-power/

Assata Shakur was involved in a series of robberies and led a terror cell in the 70s that targeted and executed police officers.

Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin is serving a life sentence for the murder of a police officer.

Kamau Sadiki is a convicted terrorist murderer of a police officer.

Again, per the official BLM policy platform, these people are “activists and freedom fighters.”

"Palestine is our generation’s South Africa. If we don’t step up boldly and courageously to end the imperialist project that’s called Israel, we’re doomed [applause].”

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zEpd2-0AWxc

So, opposing the authoritarian, murderous, communist government of Cuba, bad, ending the existence of Israel, good. Apparently, the right to self determination and national sovereignty doesn’t apply to Jews. With “friends” like these, who needs enemies?

[Ludicus]

Cuba is poor, but who is to blame? Castro or 50 years of US blockade? once again: reality check: 184 countries voted a resolution to end the US embargo against Cuba, including all European countries.For the for the 29th time!The US abstained for the first time under Obama, but returned to opposing the resolution under Trump. Israel doesn’t count, this country has always voted in lockstep with the U.S. The US against the rest of the world, who is wrong?

Cuba’s ...could develop its own Covid vaccines were it not for US sanctions

Cuba has already developed two vaccines. Soberana 2 and Abdala Cuba announces its Abdala vaccine is 92.28% effective ...
92% effective,true or false? We will soon find out the details.
Mexican president thanks Cuban counterpart for COVID ...

for sending about 1,000 health workers to help Mexico . For this gesture of solidarity I will speak to the president of Cuba in a moment … to express our appreciation for their generosity

[EmperorBatman999]

The Embargo was only initiated in 1962 with the Cuban Missile Crisis, three years after the end of the Revolution. It wasn't the fact that Cuba was communist for why it got blockaded: it was because the Soviets were delivering nukes to the island which could hit most of the US urban population in under an hour, should the launch order be given. That's old history now, but given Cuba's good relationships with other current US opponents like China and North Korea, Cuba remains a national security danger.

Furthermore, I will also add that un-embargoed communist nations were/are characterized by major shortages of even the most necessary products. There is the old joke that the Soviet Union had a ton of record players but not enough bread. Cuba can't blame its deprivation on the US alone, but rather the failures that inherently come with a Command Economy.

[Common Soldier]

Cuba is poor, but who is to blame? Castro or 50 years of US blockade? once again: reality check: 184 countries voted a resolution to end the US embargo against Cuba, including all European countries.For the for the 29th time!The US abstained for the first time under Obama, but returned to opposing the resolution under Trump. Israel doesn’t count, this country has always voted in lockstep with the U.S. The US against the rest of the world, who is wrong?

Cuba has already developed two vaccines. Soberana 2 and Abdala Cuba announces its Abdala vaccine is 92.28% effective ...
92% effective,true or false? We will soon find out the details.
Mexican president thanks Cuban counterpart for COVID ...

How could US sanctions alone possibly affect Cuba, when they have the entire rest of the world to trade with? Now if China had done the sanctions, that would mean something. But US? Naw.

If Cuba has problems, it is Cuba itself to blame.

[Pontifex Maximus]

It's a crying shame that Covid-19 has destroyed another tranquil communist authoritarian state. RIP. To me, true communism hasn't been tried because Marx never contemplated a worldwide epidemic to contend with - though I'm sure if he had his response would have been copingly similar to what the Demoncrap party has proposed in response to it. Sadly, we may never know

[Ludicus]

The US against the rest of the world, who is wrong?

The Chicago Tribune got it right, America vs. the world: A losing game - Chicago Tribune -excerpt

“...It was a blessing to go into the U.N. with body armor every day,” said Nikki Haley after announcing she will leave her post as America’s representative to the international body. Foreign disagreement is taken as vindication.

This is not a new phenomenon. President Bill Clinton defended American unilateralism at the U.N. in 1993 and refused to sign the international treaty banning land mines. His Secretary of State Madeleine Albright bragged, “We are the indispensable nation.”
George W. Bush agreed. With regard to countries from Cuba to Israel, Washington has consistently been willing to defy international opinion.

Firmness in the right is admirable. But stubborn provincialism is not.
Often, we could learn from what people and leaders beyond our borders have to say. Declining to tap collective wisdom or draw on the experience of other countries is courting self-destruction.

“It was an extraordinary aspect of the war,” writes Hastings, “that the American people and their legislature acquiesced with little remark in a military commitment to a faraway country, heedless of the fact that the rest of the world, including Britain, France, Japan, Canada — almost every developed democracy...thought U.S. policy foolhardy in the extreme.”

Again, though, our foreign critics proved more prescient than we were. France and Britain are much closer to the Middle East than we are, and their governments were deeply involved in the Middle East long before we were. Whatever they gained from their perspective could have been useful to Bush and Rumsfeld. There’s no shame in learning from the mistakes of others.

...Did we learn from that mistake? Not really. When Bush began preparing to invade Iraq, popular opinion in Europe was strongly against him. The leaders of France and Germany refused to join the crusade. The British government sided with Bush, but the British public didn’t.

Across the continent, millions of people marched in protest.
The opposition merely confirmed the conservative belief that the Europeans are useless appeasers. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld dismissed France and Germany as “old Europe.” Republicans on Capitol Hill ordered the congressional cafeterias to change “french fries” to “freedom fries” on the menus.

Again, though, our foreign critics proved more prescient than we were. France and Britain are much closer to the Middle East than we are, and their governments were deeply involved in the Middle East long before we were. Whatever they gained from their perspective could have been useful to Bush and Rumsfeld. There’s no shame in learning from the mistakes of others.

But American presidents often prefer to make their own. Trump has defied the world consensus by pulling out of the Paris climate accord, disregarding a global menace that won’t spare us. He withdrew from the Iranian nuclear deal, which was signed by Germany, France, Britain, China, Russia and the European Union — none of which followed him out.

The assumption in his administration is that, as Paul Newman put it in the movie “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,” we’ve got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals. Experience, however, suggests the U.S. government is fully capable of overlooking what is obvious to others.

Nikki Haley is right that body armor has its uses. But it doesn’t make you smarter.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Wow, disgusting. If you review the results of the US election I think you will find that Castro did in fact beat Trump. #factchecked

[Ludicus]

How could US sanctions alone possibly affect Cuba.

Don't make me laugh.
U.S. Economic Sanctions on Cuba in the context of the read the full article

The U.S. system of economic sanctions on Cuba is still in force in 2020 and includes every major method available to a sanctioning state: trade control, suspension of aid and technical assistance, freezing of the target’s financial assets, and the blacklisting of foreign companies involved in trade with Cuba. These restrictions are particularly damaging in light of the global pandemic...As Cuba Deals with COVID-19, sanctions continue to increase and blacklists continue to grow...U.S. sanctions affect not only U.S. nationals but also entities from third countries seeking to do business with Cuba.

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The US Must End Its Brutal Sanctions Against Cuba

...If anything, a serious attempt to topple Cuba’s government to impose a US-friendly alternative could end up looking less like America’s ugly but relatively short-term interventions in Haiti and more like the war in Vietnam. Cuba’s government came to power through a popular revolution that still has a significant base of support. It’s preposterous to think that the United States could overthrow that government without large numbers of people taking up arms in response.


America’s forever war in Afghanistan has been going on for almost two decades. The waves of bloodshed and chaos caused by the 2003 invasion of Iraq are still with us. That anyone could believe, in 2021, that intervening in Cuba would make things better is a chilling testament to the blinding power of ideology.
If the US government truly wanted to help the Cuban people, there’s an easy and obvious way: end the sanctions. Every single one of the shortages that protesters are talking about has at least been worsened by the US embargo. The answer isn’t more intervention. It’s less.


Right-wing anti-communists often want to have it both ways. On the one hand, they deny that the embargo is a significant contributing factor to hardships in Cuba — arguing that the shortages are almost entirely caused by the flaws in Cuba’s system. On the other hand, they insist that it’s essential the embargo stay in place. But why? If it really has no major effect on Cuba’s economy, how could it be an important tool to pressure the Cuban government to meet US demands? If it really isn’t exacerbating the island’s economic problems, why not prove that by normalizing trade relations?
Last month, the United Nations voted overwhelmingly to call on the United States to lift the embargo. Only the United States and Israel voted no. (Ukraine, Colombia, and Jair Bolsonaro’s Brazil were the only abstentions.) And 184 nations voted yes.
It’s time to listen to the world’s condemnation. The embargo needs to end.

[Pontifex Maximus]

How very dare you? Communism has never failed.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Cuba is poor, but who is to blame? Castro or 50 years of US blockade? once again: reality check: 184 countries voted a resolution to end the US embargo against Cuba, including all European countries.For the for the 29th time!The US abstained for the first time under Obama, but returned to opposing the resolution under Trump. Israel doesn’t count, this country has always voted in lockstep with the U.S. The US against the rest of the world, who is wrong?

Cuba has already developed two vaccines. Soberana 2 and Abdala Cuba announces its Abdala vaccine is 92.28% effective ...
92% effective,true or false? We will soon find out the details.
Mexican president thanks Cuban counterpart for COVID ...

You are so right. Thank you for forcefully but lovingly penetrating the mound of capitalist lies and speaking the truth about the glories of communism. Of course Israel doesn’t count. It shouldn’t even exist, right? Reality check: the Cuban government is protecting its wonderful vaccine from greedy capitalists by refusing to publish full data from its trial phases, just like the not at all genocidal or authoritarian government in China, brothers in arms against the world.

Luckily the Europeans also love Cuba, which is why they’ve committed to propping up the brutal authoritarian government there despite US sanctions, like they’re trying to do for the theocratic government of Iran. If only the US could be so brave, they might see that giving a communist country unfettered access to the wealth created by global capitalism is the best way to help them transition to a pluralistic democracy. After all, that’s why China is a beacon of democracy and human rights today. It just makes sense.

The European Union is committed to helping Cuba develop its economy, EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said on Monday, during a three-day trip to Havana, even as the United States hikes sanctions on the Communist-run island.

"The EU is Cuba's top commercial partner and investor, and we have tripled cooperation in the last two years," Mogherini, the EU high representative for foreign affairs and security policy, told a news conference with Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez.

"We have also continued the dialogue on the situation in the region and cooperation, on Venezuela in particular," she said.

Several opposition groups have called for the EU to suspend its cooperation agreement with Cuba, due to what the groups call an increase in repression on the one-party island.

They accuse authorities of raiding dozens of activists' homes in recent weeks and detaining more than 100 people last weekend alone.

Cuban authorities dismiss dissidents, who have limited support on the island, as a tiny minority of provocateurs financed by the United States to subvert the government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1VU2BY

The imperialist white nationalist fascist apartheid government of America must STOP forcing the Cuban government to restrict the importation of food and medicine and to arrest protestors:

Cuba Eases Food and Drug Import Restrictions After Mass Protests

Many Cubans depend on friends and family abroad -- particularly in the U.S. -- to bring them basic goods which are hard to obtain at home. The government has for decades blamed the U.S. trade embargo for shortages, but it also imposes limits on, or taxes, items that Cubans can carry into the country.

The protests triggered a crackdown by the authorities, and a heightened police presence in some areas. U.S.-based Human Rights Watch, citing Cuban activists, say more than 200 people are detained or unaccounted for from the protests.

In addition, the government has been limiting internet access on the tightly-controlled island. NetBlocker, a privately run data monitoring firm, said many social media sites -- including Facebook and WhatsApp -- have been blocked since Sunday. “Real-time internet metrics confirm that access to YouTube is now also limited,” the group wrote on Twitter Thursday morning.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-mass-protests

The US is even using the power of its corporate internet giants to limit internet access for the Cuban people, preventing them from learning how humane and wonderful their communist government really is. This is the insidious power of capitalism. The workers of the world must unite to end this scourge upon humanity.

[Cyclops]

Look Cuba is on the US doorstep. I agree its wrong that the US should tread on small neighbours, but they are hardly Robinson Crusoe here.

Russia is extremely annoyed we the West put our own (quite likely corrupt, I mean Hunter Biden, come one, he's not there for the waters) regime in Ukraine, instead of theirs. I am not in a position to argue the toss over who is worse among the various dictatorship and kleptocracies around the world, but I can see how Russia's national and imperial interests are affected by (for example) US interference in Kiev, and the same goes for Havana.

I don't hold a candle for Che or Castro, but its worth noting when there is a viable alternate government available it does keep leaders more honest. Globally the fall of the Soviets means there is no viable threat to capitalism and recently I think my country (like the US) has been drifting into more and more comfortable corruption; nothing like the one party states but its still unacceptable.

There's no Red Knight to stand up for Cuba now, and even when there was it was definitely second class compared to the Red White and Blue Knight (the Cuban Missile Crisis was idiot frat boy JFK staring down the Soviets who ran home beaten). I imagine some of the Cuban propaganda about medical care etc is based on truth, because Castro's regime had to give people something more than just beliefs.

The US did not have to work hard to impose power: it was in their backyard, just a days sail away for the Marines, and I guess they got pretty lazy in Cuba. Their proxies were BTFO by some middle class ideologues with extremely shonky economic theories, so it was in no way government of/by/for the people. If the US was serious about Cuba I guess they'd invade, install a fairer regime and leave. Its not Afghanistan, the US has done it before, indeed with some frequency, across Latin America.

There's something about the US-friendly faction that is so repellent to the Cuban people even the biggest military in the world knows its not worth its time invading. Even nitwit regimes like JFK and GWB wouldn't do it, and they were unafraid to go balls deep into Asia.

Not sure how you fix this TBH, the US definitely has geopolitical interests in Cuba (not just Guantanamo) and a degree of hegemony is to be expected. The exiled Cuban elite seem to be bent on revenge, and returning them to power would seem to be a punitive measure for the Cuban people. The whole embargo thing stinks, I mean its been going for almost six decades, the entire cast of the first act is dead now. The oil and other assets seized by Castro should be repaid, but this should not be a "Welcome Back Batista" party.

Its weird how often US oil interests get their fingers in these matters. A quick Google shows the embargo and sanctions began when Castro nationalised a lot of the sugar companies, and that spiralled into an oil embargo and planning for the Bay of Pigs attack (planned by Eisenhower which surprises me). How many ancient grudges does the US State Department have to pursue for decades because of some butthurt oil baron?

Edit: yeah forgot about Venezuela. Geez the fruit companies have beaten up endless South American regimes, why do the oil barons always play so nasty? And so incompetently?

[Cope]

You are so right. Thank you for forcefully but lovingly penetrating the mound of capitalist lies and speaking the truth about the glories of communism. Of course Israel doesn’t count. It shouldn’t even exist, right? Reality check: the Cuban government is protecting its wonderful vaccine from greedy capitalists by refusing to publish full data from its trial phases, just like the not at all genocidal or authoritarian government in China, brothers in arms against the world.

The radical left can’t tell which they hate more: American capitalism or Cuba’s exclusion from it. If only the communist regime were allowed to fully participate in the exploitative, systemically racist fruits of the US economy, the utopia would be in reach.

[conon394]

quite likely corrupt, I mean Hunter Biden, come one, he's not there for the waters

Err no he was on the board of company - they are corrupt in they are basically welfare for the wealthy and famous everywhere full stop period. They do more or less nothing. Hunter Biden is really only guilty of getting a gig via name but no more guilty that General Mattis - less really and least he was on a company that actually was not a con. And certainly less than say the board members of Enron or Bear Stearns.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The radical left can’t tell which they hate more: American capitalism or Cuba’s exclusion from it. If only the communist regime were allowed to fully participate in the exploitative, systemically racist fruits of the US economy, the utopia would be in reach.

Well, there’s always Chinese capitalism.

[Knight of Heaven]

LOL at Biden administration turning away Cuban refugees.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

[Vanoi]

LOL at Biden administration turning away Cuban refugees.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

Why? Did the Biden administration promise to take in every single refugee that comes to the US or attempts to?