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    Regurgitating the same irrelevant talking points over and over about stuff that happened 70-120 years ago...which have little to do with Batista or the Platt Amendment or the embargo.
    No, its not irrelevant.Learn a little more about the imperial past of the US and how it started. The colonial history of Cuba, which belongs to this topic, is highly relevant.The US policy of using a trade blockade against Cuba it is along the same lines of the US economic expansionism, it is a measure to attain the same political and economical influence that it had prior to 1960 in Cuba.Book: Cuba-US relations today are tied to the past (*)

    For Ada Ferrer, professor of history and Latin American and Caribbean history at New York University, who has written three books about Cuba, the island nation is much more than the focal point of her scholarship. It is also deeply personal.Born in Havana, between the Bay of Pigs Invasion and the Cuban Missile Crisis, Ferrer left the country, as an infant, with her mother in the spring of 1963—while many family members remained behind.

    Question: You note that Cuba’s flag, designed in the mid-19th century and during the United States’ decades-long campaign to annex the island, has remained unchanged. Why has it stayed the same even during so much political change? What does it say, as a symbol?

    Answer: It was the flag of annexationists, and those were people who wanted to make Cuba part of the United States—they wanted to free it from Spain first and then immediately attach it to the US. Plus, the purpose of the annexationists wasn’t just to annex Cuba to the US; it was to annex Cuba to the US as a slave state or maybe as many as three slave states—because it’s a long island.
    So what that means is that the Cuban flag, which is the ultimate emblem of patriotism, is a symbol that’s tied intimately with the history of US expansionism and the history of slavery. I think people haven’t thought of changing it since the first war of independence in 1868. But for me, it’s a powerful reminder that history can’t be erased—that the highest symbol of Cuban patriotism was built on those two other forces: US expansionism and slavery.

    Question: Over the summer, in the midst of Cubans’ protests against their government, President Biden said, “The United States is taking concerted action to bolster the cause of the Cuban people.” How is the history of American intervention likely to influence a response today?

    Answer:Going back to the 19th century, the US has never been a liberating force in Cuban history. These demonstrators were protesting the government. They consider themselves as forces for change and as forces for democracy. But they reject the US notion of itself as a liberator. I think people in Washington just ignore or just don’t know that history.
    Cuba review-Guardian
    As Ada Ferrer writes, ‘Cuba – its sugar, its slavery, its slave trade – is part of the history of American capitalism’.The final insult was the 1901 Platt amendment, which allowed the US the right to intervene militarily in Cuba, a surrender of sovereignty that lasted until 1934.
    Ada Ferrer,Bloomberg interview,when questioned about the blockade,
    I don’t think Biden’s interest was really in continuing to open to Cuba the way that Barack Obama had started,Maybe he’ll ease up a little bit on restrictions. But I’m not sure he’ll do more than that. It’s a missed opportunity to move Cuba policy beyond the slogans that are designed to win elections in Florida, which he didn’t win anyway.
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    (*) In fact,
    American Imperialism - United States History - Primary Sources
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    American imperialism; the convocation address the convocation address delivered on the occasion of the twenty-seventh convocation of the University of Chicago


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    Just a few excerpts,
    JANUARY 4. 1899.
    The Convocation Address, delivered on the occasion of the Twenty-seventh Convocation of the University of Chicago, BY THE HON. CARL SCHURZ.
    It is proposed to embark this republic in a course of imperialistic policy...
    ...Then came the Spanish War. A few vigorous blows laid the feeble enemy helpless at our feet...According to the solemn proclamation of our government, the war had been undertaken solely for the liberation of Cuba, as a war of humanity and not of conquest. But our easy victories had put conquest within our reach, and when our arms occupied foreign territory, a loud demand arose that, pledge or no pledge to the contrary, the conquests should be kept, even the Philippines on the other side of the globe, and that as to Cuba herself, independence would only be a provisional formality.

    Why not ? was the cry. Has not the career of the republic almost from its very beginning been one of territorial expansion? Has it not acquired Louisiana, Florida, Texas, the vast countries that came to us through the Mexican War, and Alaska, and has it not digested them well ? Were not those acquisitions much larger than those now in contemplation? If the republic could digest the old, why not the new? What is the difference?

    ...When the question is asked whether we may hope to adapt those countries and populations to our system of government, the advocates of annexation answer cheerily, that when they belong to us, we shall soon "Americanize" them.

    ...More markets? Certainly. But do we, civilized beings, indulge in the absurd and barbarous notion that we must own the countries with which we wish to trade ?
    "But the Pacific Ocean," we are mysteriously told, "will be the great commercial battlefield of the future, and we must quickly use the present opportunity to secure our position on it.
    The visible presence of great power is necessary for us to get our share of the trade
    of China. Therefore, we must have the Philippines."... but does the trade of China really require that we should have the Philippines and make a great display of power to get our share ?
    And in order to increase our trade there, our consuls advise us to improve our commercial methods, saying nothing of the necessity of establishing a base of naval operations, and of our appearing there with war ships and heavy gtms.
    At any rate, to launch into all the embroilments of an imperialistic policy by annexing the Philippines in order to snatch something more of the Chinese trade would be for us the foolish est game of all.
    "But we must have coaling stations for our navy! "Well, can we not get as many coaling stations as we need without owning populous countries behind them that would entangle us in dangerous political responsibilities and complications ? Must Great Britain own the whole of Spain in order to hold Gibraltar ?
    "But we must civilize those poor people! "Are we not ingenious and charitable enough to do much for their civilization without subjugating and ruling them by criminal aggression?

    The rest of the pleas for imperialism
    consist mostly of those high-sounding catch-words of which a free people when about to decide a great question should be especially suspicious. We are admonished that it is time for us to become a "world power." Well, we are a world power now, and have been for many years. Is it necessary for a world power, in order to be such, to have its finger in every pie ?
    Must we have the Philippines in order to become a world power? To ask the question is to answer it.
    ....You may tell me that this is all very well, but that by the acts of our own government we are now in this annexation business, and how can we get decently out of it?...
    I repeat the question whether anybody can tell me why the declaration of Congress that the Cubans of right ought to be free and independent should not apply to all of them?

    It is objected that they are not capable of independent government
    . They may answer that this is their affair and that they are at least entitled to a trial. I frankly admit that if they are given that trial, their conduct in governing themselves will be far from perfect. Well, the conduct of no people is perfect, not even our own. They may try to revenge themselves upon their tories in their Revolutionary War.

    But we, too, threw our tories into hideous dungeons during our Revolutionary War and persecuted and drove them away after its close
    They may have bloody civil broils. But we, too, have had our Civil War which cost hundreds and thousands of lives and devastated one-half of our land; and now we have in horrible abundance the killings by lynch law, and our battles at Virden.

    They may have troubles with their wild tribes. So had we, and we treated our wild tribes in a manner not to be proud of.
    They may have corruption and rapacity in their government, but Havana and Ponce may get municipal administration almost as good as New York has under Tammany rule; and Manila may secure a city council not much less virtuous than that of Chicago.

    Our attention is in these days frequently called to the admirable and in many respects successful administrative machinery introduced by Great Britain in India.
    But it must not be forgotten that this machinery was evolved from a century of rapine, corruption, disastrous blunders, savage struggles, and murderous revolts, and that even now many wise men in England gravely doubt in their hearts whether it was best for their country to undertake the conquest of India at all, and are troubled by gloomy forebodings of a calamitous catastrophe that may some day engulf that splendid fabric of Asiatic dominion.
    No, we cannot expect that the Porto Ricans, the Cubans, and the Filipinos will maintain orderly governments in Anglo-Saxon fashion. But they may succeed in establishing a tolerable order of things in their own fashion.


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    with yet another gratuitous Israel reference
    Tell that to the Jewish newspapers. It is a pertinent reference.
    Israel is again sole US backer as world urges end to Cuba ...
    Why does the US shun Cuba, but not Israel? - Opinion - Haaretz
    Not even America is with America on UN vote against Cuba

    How absurd
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    only underscores your determination to advance the communist regime’s propaganda.
    If I am a communist,my dear, then the whole world is communist: the whole world voted against the American embargo against Cuba.

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    Still lying about the nonexistent “blockade”
    It is an economic blockade.Call it you want, embargo or blockade...
    The United States and the Global Economic Blockade of Cuba
    The Legality of the U.S. Economic Blockade of Cuba under the International Law.
    ...In spite of the reluctance of U.S. authorities to accept the new standards in international law, the fact that U.S. commentators have begun to limit the parameters of illegal economic coercion indicates that the contemporary view is gradually gaining recognition if not acceptance. If there still remains doubt as to the illegality of the economic blockade under the traditional view, there is no doubt that the blockade is a fragrant violation of the contemporary standard which is founded on economic principles and sovereign equality between states
    The United States' Blockade of Cuba 50 Years On - Centre for Global Education
    Rarely has the US been so clearly isolated and diplomatically embarrassed on the international stage as nations of all political stripes have called for this anachronistic piece of legislation to be finally repealed.
    The blockade is the longest and most restrictive set of sanctions ever imposed by one country on another and has been condemned by Amnesty International for limiting Cubans’ economic and social rights ‘affecting in particular the most vulnerable sectors of society’.... in 2011 the US confiscated $4.2 million awarded to Cuba from the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria....Just last year, the Dutch ABN Bank was fined an exorbitant $500 million for making ‘unauthorized’ financial transactions in the interest of Cuba or Cuban nation
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    According to a significant part significant part of UK Parliament in 1996,CUBA AND THE UNITED STATES' ECONOMIC BLOCKADE
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    That this House notes that the recent passing of the Helms/Burton Law in the United States of America seeks to make the United States blockade of Cuba, which has been imposed for over 30 years and denies Cuba the possibility of many important trade opportunities, even more draconian by denying Cuba financial assistance from international institutions and imposing additional sanctions on third countries trading with Cuba; notes that the Helms/Burton Law seeks to extend the scope of United States interference in Cuba's internal affairs which contravenes all internationally recognised norms on national sovereignty by instructing the President of the United States to press for a total international blockade of Cuba at the United Nations Security Council as a prelude to United States involvement in the setting up of a new government in Cuba which the United States would vet annually to ascertain whether or not to reimpose the blockade; welcomes the objections of Her Majesty's Government to the extra-territorial provisions of Helms/Burton which directly contravenes the laws on free trade as set down by GATT and the World Trade Organisation; calls upon Her Majesty's Government to assure all British companies wishing to trade freely with Cuba of their support and to assure them that they will not suffer economic or other reprisals by the United States of America; and call upon Her Majesty's Government to vote against this illegal blockade and its extension by means of the Helms/Burton Law at the United Nations General Assembly meeting this autumn.


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    Is the U.S. Economic Embargo on Cuba Morally Defensible?
    LOGOS -A Journal of Catholic Thought and Culture

    The set of economic sanctions imposed against Cuba cannot be aptly characterized using the term "embargo"; rather, as we shall argue in this essay, given their scope, nature and strategic implementation, we are justified in using the term "blockade." There are two additional reasons that validate the distinction between these terms in the case of Cuba.
    First, the economic sanctions are not applicable exclusively to bilateral economic relations between Cuba and the United States but rather have been extended to apply to third countries, and second, they constitute economic aggression involving agencies of the highest level in the U.S. government, with the strategic objective of bringing down the political system in Cuba and without flinching at the prospect of subjecting the Cuban people to penury, hunger, and shortages of staple goods as a means to this end.
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    So, still no comment on the protests, which are not about the US or the embargo, but in fact against the communist regime. Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    Ah, "the protests which are not about the embargo.....thanks for continuing to prove my point."

    Flawed and highly biased perspective.The protests were predictable, given the economic situation, caused by the pandemic and the US economic blockade on Cuba.In fact, Cuba has two pandemics: the coronavirus and the US blockade, worsening the economic situation.

    Lift Cuba embargo or risk many lives lost to COVID-19, UN rights experts warn US
    The UN General Assembly has repeatedly expressed its concerns about the effects of the US blockade – including its humanitarian and health impacts – demanding its urgent repeal
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    Double standards, hypocrisy exposed,

    The Pandemic Strikes: Responding to Colombia's Mass Protests

    Colombia’s protest wave reflects deep-seated grievances affecting much of society, rooted in economic need and sky-high levels of inequality that the health and economic devastation caused by COVID-19 flagrantly exposed. The country needs to negotiate a new form of social contract.


    Protesters hold up a sign reading "When there's no bread for the poor, there's no peace for the rich".

    Colombia under fire for backing Cuba protests while stifling dissent at home- -- Guardian

    Colombia’s government has been accused of hypocrisy after calling for solidarity with protesters in Cuba even as it cracks down harshly on mass demonstrations against economic inequity and human rights abuses
    Is there a US economic blockade on Colombia? of course not, Colombia is a "vibrant democracy" with a market-oriented economy! U.S. Relations With Colombia - United States Department
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    Explaining American hypocrisy
    Stephen Mennell
    Volume 4, Issue 2: Reflections on Global Power Relations, March 2015

    At a casual level, it is often seen as a manifestation of Americans’ intense ‘patriotism’, of ‘shared values’ (that hardy perennial of American sociology), and sometimes of their persisting religiosity (on which, see Mennell 2007, chapter 11). But this ‘hypocrisy’ is by no means unique to the USA...The people responsible for ‘foreign policy’ in most countries, including the USA, are probably aware at some level of this duality of moralising and Machiavellian codes of behaviour – even if they regard only the moralising discourse as fit for public consumption – and are themselves influenced by both codes. But the duality is especially evident in the American case precisely because of the USA’s power position in the world...
    ... The USA is, and has long been, a great country. In its history and its institutions there is an abundance of material on which to construct a we-image of virtuous superiority. They are so familiar that there is no need to list them here.
    But a process of selection is still involved. There are also many examples of what is not included in the American we-image, but which play a considerable part in the rest of the world’s they-image of America, and a brief listing of some of them may be useful here. They include:
    In the world at large:
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    • the USA’s continuous record of military intervention in countries in many parts of the world;
    • its programme of kidnappings and targeted assassinations of people deemed to be its enemies;
    • the USA’s bloated military machine;
    • its highly selective adherence to international law;
    • its use of imprisonment without trial;
    • its routine use of torture;[25]
    • its programme of spying, even on supposed allies, and indiscriminate surveillance throughout the world;
    • its highly selective rhetoric of ‘human rights’;[26]
    • its support for corrupt authoritarian regimes in the Middle East;
    • and the apparent inability of American leaders to understand anyone else’s situation.


    Furthermore, within American society:
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    • an electoral system corrupted notably by the manipulation of the franchise and gerrymandering of electoral boundaries so that election outcomes are increasing distorted;[27]
    • a highly politicised judiciary;
    • the power of the military–industrial complex, President Eisenhower’s warning (1961) against which has been studiously ignored – to the detriment of American democracy;
    • more generally, the extreme domination of government by big business and big finance. It has been estimated that one-thousandth of the population provides 25 per cent of electoral campaign funding, and there is little doubt that public policy in the USA follows the sources of political donations rather than public opinion. The Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision in 2010 has effectively abolished all limits on electoral donations and expenditure short of specific quid pro quo bribery;[28]
    • the gross, and growing, social and economic inequality of American society, which – because of America’s global economic power – is increasingly being imposed in other countries too;[29]
    • the power of groups who deny large parts of modern scientific knowledge – on the basis of religious belief in the case of banning the teaching of evolution, but also from short-term economic self-interest in the case of obstructing measures to ameliorate the problem of climate change;
    • America’s high rates of violence; these have fallen somewhat in recent years (as they have in many countries), but are still very much higher than in other modern societies. This is linked to:
    • the gun culture, the obsession of a large proportion of Americans with the right to own guns, which is incomprehensible to most outsiders;[30]
    • America’s exceptionally high rates of incarceration, its vast prison population being very disproportionately composed of African-Americans, one symptom of the enduring legacy of racism in American society;
    • the retention of the death penalty, now considered unacceptable in most Western countries, and a disqualification for any country wishing to be a member of the Council of Europe or the European Union.[31]



    ...And yet, ironically, my line of argument actually reduces the sense of blame attributed to America, because these processes pervade all kinds of power balances between groups of people, and they can certainly be seen at work in imperial powers of the past, notably Britain in its imperial heyday. As Christopher Clark (2012: 166) notes, discussing the paranoid German phobia that took hold in the British Foreign Office in the first decade of the twentieth century, ‘British foreign policy – like American foreign policy in the twentieth century – had always depended on scenarios of threat and invasion as focusing devices’.
    That is to say, if the US really cared about freedom in Cuba it would end its punishments sanctions. Hellen Yaffe, senior lecturer in economic and social history at the University of Glasgow, writes,
    From the US, where violent protests and police killings happen with tragic regularity, and where a rightwing insurrection tried to overturn the 2020 election result, new president Joe Biden described Cuba as a “failed state”. By 30 July he had already imposed new sanctions, despite campaign premises to roll such sanctions back.
    Since the 11 July protests, I have traveled throughout Havana for my work. The only significant protests I have seen in the capital have been those in support of the government, including a rally of 200,000 in Havana on 17 July. The Cubans I speak to reject the violence and US interference. They are confident that Cubans know how to swim, but they need the chains of the US blockade to be cut.
    Remember-Ada Ferrer,
    Going back to the 19th century, the US has never been a liberating force in Cuban history...they reject the US notion of itself as a liberator. I think people in Washington just ignore or just don’t know that history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus
    Flawed and highly biased perspective.
    Nothing you’ve posted supports this assertion, and calling the perspective of the Cuban people and their supporters regarding the reason for the protests “flawed and highly biased” speaks volumes. Projecting your sophistry onto your interlocutors is futile at this point, and all you have is the traditional auth left pivot to false accusations of hypocrisy. I’ve provided ample evidence the protests are not about the US or the embargo. You’ve been unable to substantiate your claims to the contrary, especially by citing irrelevant UN press releases that precede the protests and ignoring the ones demanding the Cuban regime release political prisoners and stop attacking protesters.
    The United States on Tuesday urged authorities in Colombia to act with "utmost restraint" to avoid more deaths during anti-government protests that have resulted in at least 19 fatalities.

    Protesters in Colombia have called for fresh mass rallies after more than 800 people were wounded in clashes during five days of demonstrations against a proposed tax reform.

    "We urge the utmost restraint by public forces to prevent additional loss of life," deputy spokeswoman for the State Department, Jalina Porter, told a press conference.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...otest-violence
    Hey wait that sounds familiar….oh yeah:
    “We call on the Cuban government to respect Cubans’ rights, by allowing them to peacefully assemble and use their voices without fear of government reprisal or violence, and by keeping Internet and telecommunication lines open for the free exchange of information.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1957531.html
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    I’ve provided ample evidence the protests are not about the US or the embargo.
    Sure...Remember the Maine! And Don't Forget the Starving Cubans!
    Hunger as a weapon in modern times,How Biden's Inaction Is Aggravating Cuba's Food Crisis

    Hunger has been a weapon in Washington’s arsenal against Cuba ever since Dwight D. Eisenhower sat in the White House. In January 1960, Ike suggested blockading the island, arguing, “If they (the Cuban people) are hungry, they will throw Castro out.” In April 1960, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Lester D. Mallory proposed, “Every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba…to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.
    Let people know what is at stake.The US blockade is a measure to attain the same political and economical influence that it had in Batista's Cuba.The economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed 62 years ago by the US against Cuba and the Cuban people constitutes an unacceptable coercive measure against a sovereign State,and openly affronts the principles of the United Nations Charter and International Law.Once again,
    Hellen Yaffe, senior lecturer in economic and social history at the University of Glasgow, writes,

    By 30 July he had already imposed new sanctions, despite campaign premises to roll such sanctions back. Since the 11 July protests, I have traveled throughout Havana for my work. The only significant protests I have seen in the capital have been those in support of the government, including a rally of 200,000 in Havana on 17 July. The Cubans I speak to reject the violence and US interference. They are confident that Cubans know how to swim, but they need the chains of the US blockade to be cut.
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    US promoting democracy at home and abroad.
    Biden announced that he would hold a virtual “Summit for Democracy -next December - to “push back authoritarianism’s advance” worldwide.China,Cuba,”the failed state”,etc. Obviously, above all,it is all about geopolitics, US strategic interests,politicizing democracy. Pakistan, the Philippines, and Ukraine are all flawed democracies, Tunisia is experiencing a an authoritarian coup, and Iraq isn’t really an enlightened democracy. Biden also didn't want to miss the opportunity to invite Taiwan. And Colombia, read below.
    Biden's democracy summit
    Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, who has in the past stated he does not “care about human rights”, will be among those discussing with Biden how to help democracy flourish globally.
    I'm sure you can enlighten me about the non-existent US economic blockade on Philippines.


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    The United States on Tuesday urged authorities in Colombia to act with "utmost restraint" to avoid more deaths
    Hey wait that sounds familiar….oh yeah:
    “We call on the Cuban government to respect Cubans’ rights,
    Sounds familiar? I have asked before, is there a US economic blockade on Colombia? Colombia, a "vibrant democracy with a market oriented democracy" was also invited to the "Summit for democracy".
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    Listen to Daniel Fried, one of the top American diplomats for Europe in the last 40 years, Elise Levit, and David Adler, political economist and general coordinator of the Progressive International, who worked on the foreign policy team of Bernie Sanders.
    It is a great conversation.


    The summit for democracy is about "positioning without taking a position",according to Elise Levit.

    David Adler says, "what we’re are talking about is putting the focus back on the basic hypocritical dimensions of our relationship to the concept of democracy and its expression on the global stage".

    Brief excerpt,David Adler
    ...I gave the example of our financial system being the primary hub for kleptocratic finance around the world. That’s should be the first thing that we’re focusing on...but let’s take one step further, what is democracy but the respect for the rule domestic and abroad. The US continues to be engaged in a systematic violation of international law.Our sanctions regime is illegal.

    We mentioned Cuba but the same thing extends around the world. Those are unilateral coercive measures which in the eyes of the world are illegal,and condemned on the global stage. How can we be a reasonable manager let alone promoter of democracy if we are sitting in our high chair at the security council, and refusing to respect even those basic tenets.

    I’m not saying we shouldn’t not stand up for democracy.I’m saying, let’s sit down and have a really clear and honest conversation what the US relationship to democracy is at home and abroad, and let’s really start there, and then we can move toward the commitments of other countries who are also in attendance".
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    They didn't agree on everything, but Daniel Fried was careful to point out, "David has a point,I’d like to see the summit of democracy really fire up people to work in other institutions- on climate change. On tech democracy, on fighting corruption...to advance the things David was talking about".

    Host Steve Clemons to Elise Levit: “You said the US is really not a democracy. I’d like to know in a scale of one to ten were we are”.

    Elise: "the thing about democracy is when people are practicing democratic principles, and we’re not doing that.Democracies are more than an election"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus
    Sounds familiar? I have asked before, is there a US economic blockade on Colombia? Colombia, a "vibrant democracy with a market oriented democracy" was also invited to the "Summit for democracy".
    Seems like you’ve answered your own question there bud. This is why auth left shills are a meme.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    Seems like you’ve answered your own question there
    Blinken,
    we’ve provided from the United States six million doses of safe, effective vaccines to Colombia. We donated over $80 million in funding to support efforts to beat back the virus. When the virus surged here and the country’s ICUs were overwhelmed, we sent more than 200 ventilators to Colombia

    That’s really great, Colombia is a market oriented economy,they deserve to live. For those who see history as a competition, Latin America's backwardness and poverty are merely the result of its failure. But history teaches that Latin America's underdevelopment is- as someone has said-an integral part of the history of world capitalism's development. It is unthinkable: while the whole world condemns the blockade, Biden sets new Cuba sanctions.

    According to the world's leading multidisciplinary science journal Nature Cuba's bet on home-grown COVID vaccines is paying off

    When the COVID-19 pandemic began, Cuba decided not to wait on the rest of the world to develop vaccines. The United States’ 60-year-old economic embargo against the country would make it difficult for Cuba to acquire vaccines and therapies, researchers and officials knew.

    Protein-based vaccines like Soberana 02 and Abdala might have some advantages over other vaccine types, says Craig Laferrière, head of vaccine development at Novateur Ventures in Toronto, Canada, who has been comparing the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 jabs. Unlike the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines produced by Pfizer, based in New York City, and Moderna, based in Cambridge, Masschusetts, protein vaccines do not need to be kept at extremely low temperatures, making them easier to deliver to remote areas. And they could have fewer side effects than AstraZeneca’s and J&J’s vaccines, which use an adenovirus to deliver the gene for a different portion of the RBD into cells and have been linked to blood clots.
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    More about the "vibrant democracy" in Colombia.
    Colombia has seven times more homicides than the United States, Trends of Rural/Urban Homicide in Colombia, 1992-2015

    Colombia: from the failure of the elites to the hopeful rebellion of the young
    In Colombia, the sectoral activities that drive the economy, such as the financial sector and large-scale export mining, only provide 2 per cent of employment. Faced with high unemployment and job insecurity, growing poverty and inequality, and with hunger as an additional pandemic to that of Covid-19, which has hit young people the hardest, the government has been promoting a series of regressive labour, social and tax reforms, which has created deep discontent among Colombians. The pandemic, hunger and violence have combined to heighten the sense of hopelessness and lack of opportunity among the Colombian people, especially the young, who see little prospect of building a life through work and education
    Quality, Equality and Equity in Colombian Education
    In terms of coverage, there are great inequalities according to the socio-economic status of children and the area where they live, particularly in the first and last years of schooling. The inequitable distribution adversely affects the poorest quintiles, rural and urban public schools
    This does not discourage the "vibrant democracy" from running dozens of private universities to educate the children of the elite class.

    Roosevelt loudly recalled his successful amputation of land from Colombia: "I took the Canal Zone and let Congress debate", as he related how he had invented Panama.The price? $25 million.
    In the book The 42nd Parallel John Dos Passos traced the career of the United Fruit: “In Europe and the United States people had started to eat bananas, so they cut down the jungles through Central America to plant bananas, and built railroads to haul the bananas, and every year more steamboats of the Great White Fleet steamed north loaded with bananas, and that is the history of the American empire in the Caribbean, and the Panama canal and the future Nicaragua canal and the marines and the battleships and the bayonets

    According to Blinken’s words,”we see the thriving country Colombia has become”.
    Sure...while in this country, pandemic poverty, corruption Colombia's Attorney General's Office is being devoured by corruption and inequality brew violent storm (we live under helicopters, and our children are forcibly disappeared) guess what? the US backed candidate for the vice Presidency of the Executive Committee of the Interpol was a Colombian general.

    This does, however, bring to mind that just a couple of days ago UAE general accused of torture elected Interpol president

    No country is required to reveal how it voted. I have yet to hear any official reaction from the American government on this matter,the silence is deafening. A Republican Senator (Roger Wicker) expressed his indignation, and that’s all. Let’s keep in mind that the UEA donated US$54 million to the global policing body in 2017-an amount that roughly equaled the statutory contributions of all other members combined. None of the complaints have resulted in any formal proceedings against the general.

    Who cares?...to be fair, the EU parliament. On 15 September 2021, the EU parliament adopted a resolution that "calls on the members of Interpol's General Assembly, and in particular the EU Member States, to duly examine the allegations of human rights abuses concerning General Major Nasser Ahmed al-Raisi ahead of the election of the presidency of the organisation from 23 to 25 November

    Then it occurred to me that when the corrupt Interpol President Meng Hongwei went missing after departing France for a trip to China, the Interpol quickly reacted Interpol Demands 'Clarification' From China...which brings us to the inescapable irony China sentences ex-Interpol chief to 13 years in jail - BBC News
    Il y a quelque chose de pire que d'avoir une âme perverse. C’est d'avoir une âme habituée
    Charles Péguy

    Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
    Thomas Piketty

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