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    Default US Forces In Full Scale Retreat From Afghanistan; 20 years of War Ending In Total Military Defeat?

    US military personnel are in full scale retreat all across Afghanistan, this is a total military disaster.

    In Bagram for instance, US forces snuck out in the dead of night to avoid having to fight and getting captured by the Taliban, leaving their afghan allies to be massacred by the Taliban:


    US left Afghan airfield at night, didn’t tell new commander


    Source: https://apnews.com/article/bagram-af...251aaaa167e623

    Just like the Kurds before them, Afghans will collaborated with the Anglo americans are discovering the treachery of Anglo America; they feel betrayed and discarded and the Taliban are going to ensure they pay for it.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/w...l-taliban.html

    This follows a theme across US military history of invading nations, suffering military defeats and forced to flee the country in humiliating retreats:



    Biden has reportedly ordered the US Embassy staff to stay put despite Taliban circling Kabul.

    Need anyone be reminded of what happened the last time the Taliban took over a foreign backed afghan government?
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    the taliban tortured and executed the Afghan President, mutilated and castrated the body and dragged his corpse around the Capitol


    EDIT:
    Some more pics of the weapons and equipment left behind by the retreating Anglo Americans:





    The Taliban have done a Mao and surrounded the Americans, taking control of the countryside:


    this could even be a repeat of when the British Empire fled Afghanistan being massacred to the point where only one survivor was left to tell the tale.
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    In b4 Anglos westplaining how this is totally not a defeat. This thread will be fun to read.
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    It's not just a total loss for Uncle Sam, it's also a potential win for China as it looks to sweep into the region partnering with the Taliban and Pakistan:

    China Has a BIG Plan for Post-U.S. Afghanistan—and It’s Worth Billions
    Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-...ons?ref=scroll

    All those rare earths and minerals in A-stan is going to power China for this century and the next and the best part about it is it'll most likely be done using the Chinese yuan. US dollars won't touch a red cent of it.

    US companies not even be able to get back into Afghanistan without the Taliban and China's permission.

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    Well good luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    It's not just a total loss for Uncle Sam, it's also a potential win for China as it looks to sweep into the region partnering with the Taliban and Pakistan:


    Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-...ons?ref=scroll

    All those rare earths and minerals in A-stan is going to power China for this century and the next and the best part about it is it'll most likely be done using the Chinese yuan. US dollars won't touch a red cent of it.

    US companies not even be able to get back into Afghanistan without the Taliban and China's permission.
    Alright, if China wants to stick their finger into that hornet's nest of a country, then they can be our guest.

    At least now the US can think about changing up our funding priorities and shifting the federal budget away from the DoD and more towards domestic projects. We had to get out eventually, and it wasn't going to get any better the longer we stayed there.

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    Or, you could say that after twenty years of kickin' the same illiterate asses it just got boring.

    Forget the freakin' nation building BS. The message was clearly sent that if you attack the US we will come and make your life miserable for years.

    How many of those involved in the 9/11 attacks are alive today?

    Another question; do you really think the tallies will ever attack mainland US again?

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    The Taliban didn't attack the US mainland in the first place.



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    Another question; do you really think the tallies will ever attack mainland US again?
    They did not. And we rather made the point of allowing AQ to base there and the cost in what a year? Could been gone a long time ago.

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    At least now the US can think about changing up our funding priorities and shifting the federal budget away from the DoD and more towards domestic projects. We had to get out eventually, and it wasn't going to get any better the longer we stayed there.
    Doubtful. The pentagon is golden child of bipartisan support no matter what is does. If any other agency produced a slew of flops like Ford CV, the LCS and Zumwalt and maybe just almost not the F-35 - head would roll. But Flag officers need a retirement to the defense industry not a dishonrable discharge apparently
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    I love the spite in leaving behind thousands of cars with no keys.

    It looks like the looters went crazy on the Red Bull. The US inventory listed unopened energy drinks... but all the Afghan Army found was empty cans. Finding the looters would be easy... they're the kids wandering the streets with bloodshot eyes who haven't slept in a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorBatman999 View Post
    Alright, if China wants to stick their finger into that hornet's nest of a country, then they can be our guest.

    At least now the US can think about changing up our funding priorities and shifting the federal budget away from the DoD and more towards domestic projects. We had to get out eventually, and it wasn't going to get any better the longer we stayed there.
    China doesn't do pointless Forever Wars to benefit the military-industrial complex; at most, you'll probably see Chinese SpecOps and mercenary outfits doing bodyguard and protection of BRI assets and even if China did want to go into afghanistan, it wouldn't do a half assed effort like the anglos.


    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Or, you could say that after twenty years of kickin' the same illiterate asses it just got boring.

    Forget the freakin' nation building BS. The message was clearly sent that if you attack the US we will come and make your life miserable for years.

    How many of those involved in the 9/11 attacks are alive today?

    Another question; do you really think the tallies will ever attack mainland US again?
    Rather, it was a waste of white american lives for a war that only benefited the arms companies and the senators who supported it.

    Good Will hunting put it best:



    Apparently, the Anglo Americans are trying to save face and not accept the they got pwned by the afghan equivalent of luke skywaler:
    AP Interview: Former president says US failed in Afghanistan


    Source: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...567cedfde2f064

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Rather, it was a waste of white american lives for a war that only benefited the arms companies and the senators who supported it.
    I think you'll find that 1) lives of all colours and creeds were wasted, the closest thing to a demographic is that of lower income - who tend to be over-represented in the voluntary military of most developed nations.

    and 2) A major reason for the cosy relationship between arms and local government is how attractive arms industries are as employers and investors in local infrastructure. So in a back handed way, war can be argued as being good for the most vulnerable communities in a county/state/congressional district etc. Most of those who's lives were wasted weren't forced to be there - they chose to.

    The US makes more than a third of the world's arms exports and it's Americans working in those factories. This withdrawal won't stop those arms sales... Although it might improve China's arms exports. How do they say it... Killing is my business... and business is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    I think you'll find that 1) lives of all colours and creeds were wasted, the closest thing to a demographic is that of lower income - who tend to be over-represented in the voluntary military of most developed nations.

    and 2) A major reason for the cosy relationship between arms and local government is how attractive arms industries are as employers and investors in local infrastructure. So in a back handed way, war can be argued as being good for the most vulnerable communities in a county/state/congressional district etc. Most of those who's lives were wasted weren't forced to be there - they chose to.

    The US makes more than a third of the world's arms exports and it's Americans working in those factories. This withdrawal won't stop those arms sales... Although it might improve China's arms exports. How do they say it... Killing is my business... and business is good.
    Forever wars, or just wars in general take their toll on the people; all those billions wasted in A-stan could have been invested into programs that would have prevented the civil war conditions in America today, to say nothing of the lives ruined by war.

    Still, one can't help but be amused that The Onion predicted this years ago:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    It gets even worse though, the Anglo Americans were in such a hurry to flee before the Taliban could come and kill them, that they left so much equipment and expensive War gear behind:
    Taliban parade new weapons seized from Afghan military as U.S. withdraws
    Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...draws-n1273081

    When Napoleon was forced to retreat from Russia, he left behind so many wounded men and military equipment; there's no two ways about it: this is ultimate surrender and total defeat of Anglo America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    It gets even worse though, the Anglo Americans were in such a hurry to flee before the Taliban could come and kill them, that they left so much equipment and expensive War gear behind
    I think you'll find that they were fleeing the press, rather than the Taliban. To avoid any embarrassing departure footage. It's PR.

    I imagine the cost of taking that equipment far outweighed it's actual value. They did however provide the Afghan army with a full inventory (more than 3.5 million items catalogued - now minus the missing energy drinks and tent poles) - which evidences that the departure was coordinated, and went as planned, and was not simply stuff left behind in a panic.

    The Taliban are not the North Vietnamese Army, they weren't ever going to be able to "chase" the Americans out the door. The US is leaving because they no longer want to be there, and that them being there is politically harmful within US politics, not because they have to leave.

    But hey. If you want to frame this as a China thing, go ahead. We'll all continue to roll our eyes at you.
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    China won’t go into Afghanistan because at the end of the day, they only like to invade pacifist, defenseless countries like Tibet and Hong Kong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorBatman999 View Post
    China wonít go into Afghanistan because at the end of the day, they only like to invade pacifist, defenseless countries like Tibet and Hong Kong.
    Neither of those places are countries; small wonder anglo america is in decline.
    Quote Originally Posted by antaeus View Post
    I think you'll find that they were fleeing the press, rather than the Taliban. To avoid any embarrassing departure footage. It's PR.

    I imagine the cost of taking that equipment far outweighed it's actual value. They did however provide the Afghan army with a full inventory (more than 3.5 million items catalogued - now minus the missing energy drinks and tent poles) - which evidences that the departure was coordinated, and went as planned, and was not simply stuff left behind in a panic.

    The Taliban are not the North Vietnamese Army, they weren't ever going to be able to "chase" the Americans out the door. The US is leaving because they no longer want to be there, and that them being there is politically harmful within US politics, not because they have to leave.

    But hey. If you want to frame this as a China thing, go ahead. We'll all continue to roll our eyes at you.
    That's not what we're seeing; what we are seeing is the Anglo americans attempting to flee the righteous fury and divine justice of allah.

    Taliban continues crushing offensive with assault on northwestern provincial capital as US nears full withdrawal from Afghanistan

    This is not an 'ordered retreat', this is the Anglo american army trying to sneak off in the dead of night so that taliban doesn't come along and wax them. Just admit it, the anglo americans are afraid of fighting the taliban. There, was that so hard?

    For instance:
    The US announced earlier this week that its withdrawal from Afghanistan was more than 90% complete. The withdrawal is part of a deal between the US-led coalition and the Taliban, in which foreign forces have agreed to leave the country after nearly two decades in return for reassurances that Afghanistan would not become a breeding ground for terrorists. However, Washington has signaled that it might keep around 1,000 troops in Kabul to guard embassies and the capitalís airport. The move could be viewed by the Taliban as a violation of the withdrawal agreement.A Taliban spokesman recently warned that any foreign soldiers who stayed behind after the September withdrawal deadline risked being treated as occupiers. He further hinted that the presence of foreign troops in Kabul could make the capital a military target, although this was not the insurgent groupís current policy.
    Now, if anglo america was hypothetically not in decline and not a failing military power, why are they scrambling to get out of A-stan after the taliban said they would turn any anglo american occupying force into shish kebabs for overstaying their april-may deadline? Surely anglo america which pressures nations into signing SOFA basing rights should have no issue with holding fort Bagram?

    Bagram was supposed to be impregnable, this is the equivalent of the knights templar just abandoning Krak Des Chevalier to Saladin without offering up token resistance.

    The Taliban are making gains

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorBatman999 View Post
    China won’t go into Afghanistan because at the end of the day, they only like to invade pacifist, defenseless countries like Tibet and Hong Kong.
    Let's not forget committing genocide in Uyghurstan. But who knows? Maybe they're getting bored of using Falun Gong and Uyghurs for their organ harvesting, and Afghanistan would be the excitement they needed
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    Bagram was supposed to be impregnable, this is the equivalent of the knights templar just abandoning Krak Des Chevalier to Saladin without offering up token resistance.
    Poor analogy they were planning to stay forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Bagram was supposed to be impregnable, this is the equivalent of the knights templar just abandoning Krak Des Chevalier to Saladin without offering up token resistance.
    The Krak was under control of the Knights Hospitaller from 1142, not the Templars', Saladin went to besiege in the 1188, and then decided it was too formidable, so bypassed it. It was captured by Baibars in the 1271, via trickery (a forged letter from the Hospitaller Grand Master permitting surrender).

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    1. Kobayashi Maru scenario.

    2. I get the impression that Biden hasn't liked Afghanistan for years.

    3. He may have decided that Islamization is going to be a bigger problem for Russia and China, than America, so that will keep them occupied, from rampaging through the Internet and spreading viruses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Poor analogy they were planning to stay forever.
    as were the Anglo Americans in central Asia;



    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    The Krak was under control of the Knights Hospitaller from 1142, not the Templars', Saladin went to besiege in the 1188, and then decided it was too formidable, so bypassed it. It was captured by Baibars in the 1271, via trickery (a forged letter from the Hospitaller Grand Master permitting surrender).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K View Post
    1. Kobayashi Maru scenario.

    2. I get the impression that Biden hasn't liked Afghanistan for years.

    3. He may have decided that Islamization is going to be a bigger problem for Russia and China, than America, so that will keep them occupied, from rampaging through the Internet and spreading viruses.
    Islamism is less of a problem for China and more of a problem for the West, especially since Pakistan has China's back and the islamic world has an overwhelmingly positive attitude towards China, regardless of the white anglo propaganda efforts against China.

    For instance, the Taliban are going to work with China when they win, joining up with BRI.

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