RTW-Remastered HardCoded limits for modding

[Anarchon]

Please can someone tell me what the new hardcoded limits are for modding Rome Total War Remastered.


In particular...


Maximums per mod for...


-Map Size (and whether the regions or ground-type maximums
-Number of provinces
-Number of factions
-cities per territory
-number of unit-types (EDU)
-number of unit-models (DMB)
-buildings per city
-building-trees
-characters
-forts/watchtowers
-cultures
-religions(if present)
-climate types
-ground-types


Also
-Are map labels possible (like M2TW modders do with dummy princesses)?
-Is turns per year/years per turn specifiable?
-Are road-routes modder-definable?


Anarchon

[Anarchon]

To port a mod built on the old Alexander, I assume I build a mod folder in the folder
Totall War Rome Remastered/Contents/Resources/Data/Modfolder
Is this correct?

[makanyane]

To port a mod built on the old Alexander, I assume I build a mod folder in the folder
Totall War Rome Remastered/Contents/Resources/Data/Modfolder
Is this correct?

No Modfolder needs to be in C:\Users\YOURNAME\AppData\Local\Feral Interactive\Total War ROME REMASTERED\Mods\Local Mods or \My Mods the only way to Launch RR and any mods is through the Launcher and that's the only place it's looking at the moment. If it won't fit there and you have other larger discs you need to make a hard-link connection see wiki

For hard-coded limits, assume they're the same as for original RTW currently, Feral have announced that they will be extending some, e.g. factions to 31, but I don't think they've announced what other limits will be yet.

[Anarchon]

Can anyone help with a mod not launching


I have built the frame of a mod to run on Alexander specs.
It is large but within original hardcoded limits.
And indeed runs on old RTW
The map is 510x345 (map-regions).
There are 199 regions.
Everything else is for now basic and standard.
I do hope Feral haven't actually REDUCED the hardcoded limits.
It will not launch.
It originally told me it crashed because
'the modder specified it not to run on Rome'
I changed the json file to Rome (from Alex originally) and it still crashed.
It asked if I wanted to send an email to Feral but gave no opportunity to do so.
Then Steam blocked me from their Forum.


I don't think Steam and Feral are serious about wanting to support modders.
The boondocks Mod-WIP folder and ghetto uploaded-Mod folders are probably a clue.


Not exactly impressed so far.
Lets hope its the glitches of early days.


Anarchon

[makanyane]

I think the bug reporting message to Feral is automated through Steam, it sends some data, you don't get to actually write to them.

you can use -show_err like old RTW for Steam you need to add it to the properties line, same as for RTW under Steam.

I've got a map going at the moment with 199 regions (and one sea colour) that's not a problem.

Have you got a map.rwm from when it runs under the old RTW? If so you can use that. Otherwise refer to the wiki about its quirks on where/how it generates map.rwms

[Anarchon]

Hi Mak,


Thx for that very rapid reply.
It infers that you can send more details about the crash. You cannot.


Good to know 199 is feasible.


Used my old map.rwm from old RTW. No joy.


I cannot see where or how to amend launch properties.
I dont seem to have a launch icon.


I am wondering if the feral_map.tga could be a problem.
At 16 times map region scale it is enormous.
(For a 512x345 map regions)


As ever your advice sought.


Anarchon

[Anarchon]

Hi Mak,


One other question.


What does 'Upload Mod Update' do?
I have assumed it places your mod in the ghetto upload folder so the world can access it.
I do not want this at such an early development stage.


However, if it implements any updates in your boondocks My Mods folder maybe this is what I need to do..


Anarchon

[makanyane]

I am wondering if the feral_map.tga could be a problem.

Probably if you resized it to match the mod - make that and the feral_radar_map.tga the same size as they had them, just squish your image to fit...
you can launch mod without providing them initially too, which might be safest option.

For -show_err in your Steam Library, right click the game and go to properties, then like this:

'Upload Mod Update'

Sounds like you already uploaded it - you might want to check that, mine only says "upload to steam workshop"

to make sure your mod updates are working on your computer you need to keep deleting the filelist.json in the mod-folder

[Anarchon]

Hi Mak,


Many thanks for your help and patience so far.


Still no joy. Did all you suggest


I have tried launching under both Rome and Alexander.
Filelist always deleted.
Under Alex I got a pseudo-launch
It says Macedon missing, not surprising cos not in my list under that name.
No sign of my maps whatsoever, just the horrible Alexander vanilla maps.


Earlier with just Alex ticked I got the message
'the mod creator has marked Rome as incompatible with this mod'


Any ideas?


Anarchon

[Anarchon]

A whole bunch of the lines in file-list json have blacklisted against them including such innocent ones as the ris.png.
Does this mean they are deliberately blocking my work?

Anarchon

[makanyane]

no - blacklisted is it's not included in the version check - it's trying to check versions of relevant stuff, so If you play multiplayer battle you have same text files with same stats as the opponent etc. the blacklisted stuff is the sort of 'irrelevant to making the game work' things like just textures

[Corythus]

Hello,
I'm extending the name list, added 700 names already and when I tested it, the game crashed. The log said:
"The name Cassivellaunus wasn't found in the names database
This is a problem"
Well, this can't be the problem, cause the name is there and I only edited Armenia and Patrhia so far, not the Gauls.
When I tested it after I added the new 378 Armenian names, there was no problem at all.
Any ideas on how to fix this?
Did I reach some limitation with the number of the names and the game can't load all of it properly?

[bob01]

You might have some discrepancy between the entries in names.txt and Descr_Names. The slightest deviation will cause a CTD and show-err is no help. Something as minor as using a ] instead of a } will send you to oblivion. An extra space can do it to or just a mis-spelling. You also have to carefully examine the Descr_strat file if you made any changes there.

I modded Roman Names many years ago and learned the hard way that you never do too many at once. I would usually do about 20 at a time and then test them. Slow? Yes. But it saves a lot of time re-reading over the files if you screw something up. If your Armenian addition worked I hope you saved it because it seems to me that you may have to remove the Parthian additions and study them.

Now, one tip I can give you is to take a spreadsheet program like Excel if you have one and copy Names.Txt and Descr_names into different columns. Place them side by side so you can study them and see if anything jumps out at you.

Good luck.

[Corythus]

Thank you very much for your fast help. I will try what you suggested. Are you sure there is no limitation on how many names I can extend with the files?

[bob01]

I have never heard of such a limitation. Again, I only did a Roman Names mod which came out looking like this, in part.

{Acilius_Glabrio} Acilius Glabrio
{Claudius_Nero} Claudius Nero
{Fabius_Maximus} Fabius Maximus
{Julius_Caesar} Julius Caesar
{Sallustius_Crispinus} Sallustius Crispinus
{Flaminius_Rufus} Flaminius Rufus
{Flavius_Silva} Flavius Silva
{Fulvius_Flaccus} Fulvius Flaccus
{Cornelius_Scipio} Cornelius Scipio
{Cornelius_Sulla} Cornelius Sulla
{Quinctius_Capitolinus} Quinctius Capitolinus
{Quinctius_Crispinus} Quinctius Crispinus
{Quinctius_Flamininus} Quinctius Flamininus
{Furius_Camillus} Furius Camillus
{Aurelius_Cotta} Aurelius Cotta
{Tullius_Cicero} Tullius Cicero
{Vipsanius_Agrippa} Vipsanius Agrippa
{Sulpicius_Galba} Sulpicius Galba
{Scribonius_Libo} Scribonius Libo

But there were probably only 250 or so additional entries... including Biggus_Dickus and Naughtius_Maximus because I could not restrain myself.

Also, don't eliminate anything from Names.txt. Some other part of the system may use them and that will shut you down.

If you want to exclude a particular name from the active faction just put two semi-colons in front of that name in the faction-specific part of Descr_names.txt, such as

;;Scribonius Libo

That will prevent the program from including him in the romans_julii faction but leave him active if another part of the program wants him.

[Corythus]

Thank you very much! Hope I will not encounter any more problem.

[bob01]

You will find that people are generally quite helpful around here. We're all crazy!

[Anarchon]

If there is a limit it is higher than 50,411. I have this number with no problem. But in RTWv, not RR.
It is probably spelling mistake.

[makanyane]

@Corythus did you get this working?

I've found with Remastered I seem to need to add new names to descr_names_lookup.txt
(I'm not sure anyone bothered with that in RTW?)

...and if not that watch out for spaces at the end of names, if you have a space in one file and not the other it can count as not matching... mine just fell over on that

[bob01]

When Imperium Surrectum first came out I messed around with the Family Tree and got this to work. But I never touched the lookup file. That was obsolete years ago.