Cavalry Speed

**Torn** · April 16, 2021, 01:57 PM

Hi, I noticed the 'Fast Moving' trait seems to been removed from all cavalry units in the mod. Does anyone know why? I've been playing a Lithuania campaign recently and found it very frustrating during battles when my fresh horse archers couldn't run down general's bodyguard who'd been fighting all battle long and were fully armoured. It felt very frustrating and unimmersive. Every cavalry unit seems to have the same exact speed now, regardless of type.

**Just let me post** · April 16, 2021, 10:29 PM

I'm not sure but I believe "fast" mount feature doesn't work anyway, and various cav units have different speed modifiers in EDU.

**kostic** · April 17, 2021, 05:17 PM

Normally not all cavalry should have the same speed. It seems to me to have sometimes caught up with a slower unit with light cavalry ... maybe to check in descr_mount ?

**Belovèse** · April 20, 2021, 02:35 PM

It is true that we should have different speeds depending on armor, it makes more sense. We'll have to look at it!

**Nemesis2345** · April 20, 2021, 03:44 PM

If you want a clue , check the stats on a regular Spear Militia v.s Dismounted Knights of Jerusalem , the Jerusalem guys seem to move/run 30% slower than regular infantry .

**Belovèse** · April 20, 2021, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Nemesis2345

If you want a clue , check the stats on a regular Spear Militia v.s Dismounted Knights of Jerusalem , the Jerusalem guys seem to move/run 30% slower than regular infantry .

Well I looked at the EDU, and the Dismounted Knights of Jerusalem have a speed modifier of 0.7, meaning they move at 70% the speed of "default" infantry unit. Well played @Nemesis!
The mounts have different speeds fixed in EDU through the move_speed_mod, but there is not that much range: it goes from 0.85 to 1 I believe. Maybe it should be review for more range, with slower armored horses?

**j.a.luna** · April 20, 2021, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Belovèse

Well I looked at the EDU, and the Dismounted Knights of Jerusalem have a speed modifier of 0.7, meaning they move at 70% the speed of "default" infantry unit. Well played @Nemesis!
The mounts have different speeds fixed in EDU through the move_speed_mod, but there is not that much range: it goes from 0.85 to 1 I believe. Maybe it should be review for more range, with slower armored horses?

Regarding this issue Katapraktoi cavalry should have low speed( much armored) but also very high charge bonus and the attribute of scary nearby units (Seeing these "machines" charging against you in battle should be terrifying, apart from the fact that due to their weight and training they should have a high charge power but low speed)

**Nemesis2345** · April 21, 2021, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by j.a.luna

Regarding this issue Katapraktoi cavalry should have low speed( much armored) but also very high charge bonus and the attribute of scary nearby units (Seeing these "machines" charging against you in battle should be terrifying, apart from the fact that due to their weight and training they should have a high charge power but low speed)

Very true, also they should have Excelent Stamina because those were actually War Horses trained for .....well....War xD

**kostic** · April 21, 2021, 03:58 AM

The animation of the armored horses of the Byzantine bodyguards (Katapraktoi) is however not satisfactory to my taste. I would like to replace them with a new model inspired by those of marka.
And while we're at it - if anyone does it before me - to try to diversify the unit by mixing between very protected horses and lesser ones. I have always found it more realistic to mix the units to the maximum and therefore the horses too.

**j.a.luna** · April 21, 2021, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by kostic

The animation of the armored horses of the Byzantine bodyguards (Katapraktoi) is however not satisfactory to my taste. I would like to replace them with a new model inspired by those of marka.
And while we're at it - if anyone does it before me - to try to diversify the unit by mixing between very protected horses and lesser ones. I have always found it more realistic to mix the units to the maximum and therefore the horses too.

But for this, sship team have the Nikkosaiz units for byzantines no?
In my opinion Kataphractoi should have the best quality for equipment and be pretty similar because the "state or country" provides all this equipment to tagmata units

**kostic** · April 21, 2021, 08:28 AM

Nikossaiz units use the Kataphractoi vanilla horses. I would like to change that. Even if they have to be well equipped, vary the equipment will anyway be prettier I think. To think...

**Nemesis2345** · April 21, 2021, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by kostic

Nikossaiz units use the Kataphractoi vanilla horses. I would like to change that. Even if they have to be well equipped, vary the equipment will anyway be prettier I think. To think...

There is nothing to think on , that is the simple truth . Always loved how not only a unit had like 4 or 5 soldier variations with different equipment on them , but upgrading the armor and weapons also changed them as well.