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    Deserves its own thread. Gun control is a joke in the US compared to other Western style democracies (and most countries period). To the degree that our guns are the choice for everyone from Mexican cartels to autocratic states to terrorists the world over. Part of the reason the US requires a militarized police force.


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ns-gun-control

    Snowflakes on all sides are going to freak out.
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    A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    ​Emphasis added. Hope that clears things up for you. Don't like it? Revolt and set up your own Constitution, which will be really hard to do without guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Don't like it? Revolt and set up your own Constitution, which will be really hard to do without guns.
    But why? Daddy Biden will do it anyway. Feels good, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    ​Emphasis added. Hope that clears things up for you. Don't like it? Revolt and set up your own Constitution, which will be really hard to do without guns.
    Nobody is taking away your arms, just your AR 15s and sniper rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Adrian View Post
    Nobody is taking away your arms, just your AR 15s and sniper rifles.
    I suppose that is the crux of the issue; what constitutes an "assault" weapon?

    I'm no expert in US law (far from it) but if you limit these weapons to a max magazine size, (and from what I understand they are already limited to semi-automatic), is it still an "assault weapon"?

    So, I think for the sport shooting community it'd be this line in particular that would have them concerned.

    ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    ​Emphasis added. Hope that clears things up for you. Don't like it? Revolt and set up your own Constitution, which will be really hard to do without guns.
    A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    Grammar right. If we just taught it to the gun nuts they’d get it too. Surprised you still bolding for emphasis. Figured you would have started using ALLCAPS by now.
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    What's your argument? If you support militias we are absolutely on the same page.

    I mean, I understand that you don't actually agree. I understand you're coming at this from the like, low information average CNN viewer who between sips of bargain brand chianti scoffs "hah, those silly far right racists and their guns, don't they know the second amendment is outdated?"

    That is until you realize (1) historical context and (2) modern context.

    Again, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I guess you missed it the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    What's your argument? If you support militias we are absolutely on the same page.

    I mean, I understand that you don't actually agree. I understand you're coming at this from the like, low information average CNN viewer who between sips of bargain brand chianti scoffs "hah, those silly far right racists and their guns, don't they know the second amendment is outdated?"

    That is until you realize (1) historical context and (2) modern context.

    Again, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I guess you missed it the first time.
    I support a US state’s right to form a Militia. Big time state’s rights. From their right to enact gun control to their right to restrict abortion. States rights are the part of US government I value most.

    It is my understanding the founders disagreed. Plus the whiskey rebellion, allowing Southern States to restrict black gun ownership (northern too just not codified).
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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    I support a US stateís right to form a Militia. Big time stateís rights. From their right to enact gun control to their right to restrict abortion. States rights are the part of US government I value most.
    Defeats the purpose. What if both the federal government goes tyrannical and the state government? Then there's no militia. It has to be the population overthrowing the government, not government overthrowing the government.

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    Defeats the purpose. What if both the federal government goes tyrannical and the state government? Then there's no militia. It has to be the population overthrowing the government, not government overthrowing the government.

    Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
    Why are you guys so paranoid? "What if everyone goes tyrannical, OMG!!!1" and so on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromovnik View Post
    Why are you guys so paranoid? "What if everyone goes tyrannical, OMG!!!1" and so on...
    Why are you guys so paranoid? "What if everyone shoots someone, OMG!!!1" and so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Defeats the purpose. What if both the federal government goes tyrannical and the state government? Then there's no militia. It has to be the population overthrowing the government, not government overthrowing the government.

    Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Defeats the purpose. What if both the federal government goes tyrannical and the state government? Then there's no militia. It has to be the population overthrowing the government, not government overthrowing the government.

    Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
    The 2nd’s purpose is so the Fed can’t terrorize the States. It wasn’t envisioned as the people can terrorize each other. But if it wasn’t, the belief that an armed US populace could do more than mildly resist the US Armed Forces in the scenario of a tyranny/coup et al is stupid.

    Even Trump and Q know the Armed Forces would just crush everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    The 2ndís purpose is so the Fed canít terrorize the States. It wasnít envisioned as the people can terrorize each other.
    Where does it say states?

    But if it wasnít, the belief that an armed US populace could do more than mildly resist the US Armed Forces in the scenario of a tyranny/coup et al is stupid.

    Even Trump and Q know the Armed Forces would just crush everyone.
    This has been proven wrong multiple times.

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    States rights are superior to the constitution (SCOTUS is fake news) thatís why the usa needs to enforce gun control and tell states what to do. Just because a state can have militias and people can have guns doesnít mean they can own guns.

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    I direct you to the 10th amendment. I further demonstrate that the 2nd and 10th amendments are separate. If you fail to appreciate these implications, I could spell it out - but I doubt it would help.

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    States Rights > Constitution for starters. (For me)
    The 2nd amendment interpretations go beyond our two. Case after case has upheld states and the fed have the right to restrict most anything even sometimes speech if the law is what we are arguing.

    Anyway, doesn’t say anything about the right to sell, buy or own arms. If we are going to be sticklers. Keep the guns you got. Bear them where you like. The most it says even by your take.
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    Well, "for you" maybe, but this is again objectively wrong as you have naively oversimplified not only the very definition of the bill of rights, but the legal issues at hand related to government infringement of those rights. Going further, you have somehow wrongly implicated federalism as a factor in the limitation of the bill of rights which is exactly the opposite. The federal constitution is integrated to the states and indeed supersedes the states for reasons I could explain but in lieu of that will simply reference the supremacy clause. 2nd amendment interpretations don't go beyond basically the Heller decision, again something I assume you are ignorant of. Your general understanding of federal interpretations of state efforts to curtail the federal constitution are just laughably wrong, civil wars have been fought over such things and guess what, the federal constitution prevails. All this aside, I will reiterate: THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

    Despite your failed intellectual explanation to the contrary...

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    But not owned. Emphasis mine
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    I accept your semantic surrender.

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