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    Icon6 Old Georgian Units Submod for EB II 2.35A

    Colchis( Kingdom Of Egrisi) and Iberia (Kingdom Of Kartli ) - information and pictures


    Colchis-Land of the Golden Fleece






    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchian_culture

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argona..._Golden_Fleece
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Fleece



    Old Georgian Symbol - Borjgali . Georgian Borjgali is With seven beams .




    Kingdom of Iberia c. 302 BC















    Colchian Warriors -
    V-III c BC










    Iberian Warriors - V-III c BC

























































    this is Iberian plate helmet From the side view. sorry, image is bad quality.
























    Maps

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    Georgian tribes in 20'th - 10'th century BC.




    Early Georgian Kingdoms: Colchis, Diaeuhi and Hurrian-Georgian
    (Chaldian) Kingdom Of Urartu












    Georgian (Kartvelian ) Tribes and other Caucasian Tribes , After Fall Of Hurrian-Georgian ( Chaldian) Kingdom - Urartu.
    Georgian tribes were : Chalybes ,Chaldaei, Tibareni, Mosynoeci, Colchi, Macrones ,Saspires, Taochi, Gogari, Phasiani, Moschi, Lazi, Iberi, Coraxi, Abasgi, Heniochi.








    270 BC - Europe and Georgian Kingdoms




    Kingdom of Iberia, III c. BC





    Gneus Pompeus's Campaigns in Georgia (Colchis and Iberia) 66 - 63 BC





    Georgian archeology

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    Colch-Iberian Types and Cavalry - From Georgian Archeology

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    Colch-Iberian warriors on Colchian bronze battle belt .11th-7th BC century.


    round shield


    Iberian Man VI-IV c BC


    Iberian man - 7 th century BC











    Colchian Man VI-IV c BC


    colchian cavalry 8th-7th BC century

    Colchian Battle bronze - leather Belt. 11th BC-7th BC century.




















    Iberian and Cochian Cavalry IV-III c BC





    Kutaisi fountain- Larger Copy



    Iberian Battle Chariot VI-IV c BC









    Colchian Woman IV-III BC








    Weapons - Archaeological Materials (Only Period Of Game)
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    Colchian Warrior -Weapons



    Spears



    III century BC - 33,37 cm



    III century BC- 34cm





    III century BC -33, 37cm



    III,II century BC- 25,34 cm



    III,II century BC - 41,46 cm



    III,II century BC - 25,27 cm





    III,II century BC-25 cm



    III,II century BC -34 cm



    III,II century BC -29 cm


    Javelins





    IV,III century BC - 21,27 cm


    Swords





    IV,III century BC - 50 to 80 cm





    VI,I century BC - 55 to 75 cm







    dagger

    I century BC- 29 cm


    Axes







    III,II century BC



    IV,II century BC





    Iberian Warrior - Weapons

    Spears


    I century BC , I century AD - 31 cm

    II century BC-20cm

    III century BC-20cm

    IV-III century BC-48cm

    IV-III century BC - 40cm

    IV-III century BC -35 cm

    IV-III century BC - 20cm

    IV-III century BC - 30 cm

    IV-III century BC - 45,48 cm



    IV-III century BC -25 to 26 cm



    IV-III century BC -35 cm


    javelins

    IV-III century BC - 13cm


    IV-III century BC- 15,17 cm

    IV-III century BC- 25cm

    Axes





    IV-III century BC





    My Art

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    Colch-Iberian Warrior



    Colch- Iberian warrior , Svan Warrior



    Colchian Warrior









    Ancient Georgian alphabet, culture and Units names

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    Old Georgian Alphabet and writhing
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    King Pharnavaz I - Asomtavruli alphabet- 3 th century BC

    Jumati-Colchian writing 6th c BC-2th c BC


    Grakliani writhing 11th -10th c BC


    Khevsureti writhing -in caucasus mountains












    Nekresi writhing 1th c AD -3th c AD







    Units Native Names
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    Iberians Spearmens - Shubosanni Kartlisani
    Iberians Cavalry- Mkhedarni Kartlisani
    Iberians Warriors - Meomarni Kartlisani

    Colchians Spearmens - Egrisali Borzalamephi
    Colchians Skrimshers - Egrisali Khesh-borzalamephi
    Colchian Warrior- Egrisali Malimarephi

    Chaldian Spearmens - Chani Borzalamephi
    Chaldian Warrior - Chani Malimorephi

    Svan Warriors - Mushvan Meshialaa
    Svan Archers - Mushvan Mtskhemdamalaa

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    Iberia-Kartli. Iberians -Kartlelni ,
    Kingdom of Iberia - Kartlis Samepho

    Colchis - Egrisi . Colchians - Egrephi
    Kingdom of Colchis - Egrisish Omaphe

    Chaldia, Chalibea - Chanephi .
    Chaldians , Chalibeans - Chanephi





    It's possible to create such units
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    1.Iberian shock Cavalry - Mkhedarni Kartlisani
    2.Iberian Skrimshers Cavalry- Mkhedarni Satkhedosanni
    3.Iberian Battle Chariots - Etlni Sabrdzoloni
    4.Iberian Spearmens - Shubosanni Kartlisani
    5.Iberian Swordsmens - Makhvilosanni Kartlisani
    6.Iberian Skrimshers / Axeman - Satkhedosanni/Tsulosanni Kartlisani
    7.Iberian Archers - Mshvilosanni Kartlisani

    8.Colchian Skrimshers / Axemans -Egrisali Khesh Bordzalamephi
    9.Colchian Swordsmens - Egrisali Malimorephi
    10.Colchian Hoplites - Egrisali Bordzalamephi
    11.Colchian Archers - Egrisali Mesthaganeephi
    12. Colchian Slingers - Egrisali Meshqurdumephi

    13.Chaldian phalanx - Chani Borzalamephi
    14.Chaldian Skrimshers / Swordsmens - Chani Khesh-borzalamephi

    15. Svan Hunters Archer - Mushvan Mtskhedamalaa






    Georgian Folk Music :
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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Interesting. It's nice to read more on such a relatively obscure corner of the Ancient World.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    C am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu brth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhthein buaile fs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an ird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jrg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Trnen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Trnen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Very nice and accurate! I hope we will see this units of Colchians and Iberians in EBII

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    Great collection of materials for Georgia! +rep!
    Dominik Peut,
    President of Association "Gromovnik" & Project Leader of Anno Domini,
    mag. educ. geogr. et hist.



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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Your work is priceless.

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    The Caucasus is very forested And a high mountainous Strategic place. With narrow passages
    In the game Caucasus is like a steppe


    1.Kelasuri Wall
    2.Apsaros castle
    3.Rikoti Pass
    4.Kura ravine
    5. Castle Aragvi Gate ( Dariali , alan: Dari-Alan )
    Last edited by Khevsur; November 26, 2019 at 08:06 AM.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Castles And City in Colchis-Iberia . Reconstructions


    Colchian Fortress on the mountains


    Colchian Fortress on the mountains





    Colchian Fortress on the mountains


    Colchian Fortress - In the lowlands


    Vani - Colchis





    Mtskheta - Armazi Castle






    Mtskheta - City








    Iberians battle Formations




    Iberians in attack
    Last edited by Khevsur; December 14, 2019 at 05:21 AM.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    What are the shields based on?
    Last edited by Rad; December 31, 2019 at 05:39 PM.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Rad
    From book : Weapons and Armour in Georgia (5th century BC - 4th century AD)

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/zblqgv...art_1.pdf/file
    http://www.mediafire.com/file/jdexbo...art_2.pdf/file

    30 cm bronze Shield boss








    hoplon shield







    shield boss II-I c BC



    II-I c BC Colch-Iberian leather Covered Shield is similar this Shield

    Last edited by Khevsur; January 11, 2020 at 08:49 PM.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Thank you. I will try to find the text about the shields.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Rad

    see In my first post - PDF Files and Web Pages. gela gamkrelidze - Vol.11

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    I'm not sure if even half of this stuff would get implemented in EBII, but thanks regardless for bringing this stuff to light and to our attention. Very interesting indeed! +1 rep.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    my speed art - Caucasian iberian Cavalry (Mkhedari Kartlisai, plural - Mkhedarni Kartlisani )

    Last edited by Khevsur; January 02, 2020 at 08:17 AM.

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    .....................................................
    Last edited by Khevsur; April 16, 2021 at 04:18 AM.

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    Default Re: Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Old Georgian Warriors Frpm historically Books


    iberian late era cavalry I bc - I ad





    iberian Early era cavalry and Infantry V bc- II bc








    Colchians




    Weapons is out of game, bronze



    slinger and archer




    Colch-Iberian In Action







    Colch-Iberian Persons



    Chaldian
    Last edited by Khevsur; December 26, 2019 at 01:24 PM.

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    Uplistsikhe - old Georgian City 3000 BC century

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H09OKKM9OZg



    Trialeti culture - Old georgian Culture 2500-1700 BC
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVK6E1t_P7A
    Last edited by Khevsur; January 05, 2020 at 04:41 AM.

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    Default Re: Old Georgia - Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    really nice and accurate work, nice job, thank you for your work.

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    Default Re: Old Georgia - Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Very nice work!

    In your artwork, please pay attention to hands holding pole-like objects. They are the only things that defy natural perspective enough to immediately catch my attention. Hands are of course difficult to draw and one of the things that human observers pay a lot of attention to.

    When fingers grow gradually bigger from a relatively small index finger to a large little finger ("pinky"), as they do now in some your work, it gives the impression that the hand is tilted where the pole is not. Also, when the character is holding a spear or somesuch vertically, the pole should not be too close to the knuckles, the back of the hand or the wrist. Please allow the hand to have its natural width.

    This is not advice from an illustrator or painter that is better than you, however. In fact I suck. I just feel that someone as good as you should really work on those small details to perfect ones art. Looking forward to more of your illustrations!

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    Default Re: Old Georgia - Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    Dear Khevsur,

    Your work is really impressive and illustrates your passion for the topic! I really hope you will be able to participate in great mods like EBII or DBM to give us the opportunity to play with these units and background.

    Thank you very much,

    FFJean

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    Default Re: Old Georgia - Colchis and Iberia (information and pictures)

    what's new ?

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