Byzantium Armor Progression

[Serious Spamurai]

This is a great mod, made me start a byzantine campaign, although I renamed them to "Eastern Roman Empire". One thing about the sheilds, they were supposed to be a mostly one colour for each band (like a roman cohort but for the byzantines), there were designs on them but the sheilds had a single background colour.

[joedreck]

do you mean that?
example: red background and then a red flower, green flower and so on?

wait for my russian shields. i got some

one prob is, that i cant unpack the files (no 7GB free)

rename them in: Basileia ton Rhomaion

[Serious Spamurai]

I meant that each unit had it's own sheild colour, eg. one unit has blue sheilds, another has white etc. Then they have designs on them, like crosses.

I might try and edit the generals, they look horrible alongside the beautiful general's bodyguards

[Ificratis]

These are some informations for the classic Byzantine Infantry unit called ''Skoutatoi'', because the shield whish the have called ''skouta''.
In the 10th century they have chainmail armour from horn or metal with head protection too. The Leon ST' said that some skoutatoi had some leather stips up to the armor for extra protection.
They have gaiters and leather gloves and helmet. Leon ST' reports that the first and the last line had gaiters but the Stratigicon manul reports that the first and the second line wear gaiters.
The main weapon was a spear the ''kontario'' of four meters length.
The second weapon was a sword and a axe.
The shield was round. A size of 90 to 120 cm length. with intensely colors.
At the end of the 1080 the majority of the heavy infantry have triangular shield.
The color of the uniforms was blue or red and not pink.

From the 12th century the uniforms have western influences. They have knitted metal thoraxes with difference forms with short sleves and seldom long or even by no means sleves.

Tomorow i shall post some pictures too.

to be continued...

[The Mongol]

Whitewolf, do the Byzantines look like they do in the screenshots or is that your progress on them?

Either way, I'm downloading.

Thank god you got rid of the purple shirts that cover their armour, that was by far the worst addition imo. I can finally play the Byzantines!

[WhiteWolf]

And WhiteHead, as you might know burreks new textures are out, could you please upload a new models.db file that makes your mod compatible with his?

Thats WhiteWolf ... any who I have been gone for a while, some things going on in the real world but I am back now. In the next release I which will be this week, I will release a modeldb file that is compatible with Burreks v9 K&K.

These are some informations for the classic Byzantine Infantry unit called ''Skoutatoi'', because the shield whish the have called ''skouta''.
In the 10th century they have chainmail armour from horn or metal with head protection too. The Leon ST' said that some skoutatoi had some leather stips up to the armor for extra protection.
They have gaiters and leather gloves and helmet. Leon ST' reports that the first and the last line had gaiters but the Stratigicon manul reports that the first and the second line wear gaiters.
The main weapon was a spear the ''kontario'' of four meters length.
The second weapon was a sword and a axe.
The shield was round. A size of 90 to 120 cm length. with intensely colors.
At the end of the 1080 the majority of the heavy infantry have triangular shield.
The color of the uniforms was blue or red and not pink.

From the 12th century the uniforms have western influences. They have knitted metal thoraxes with difference forms with short sleves and seldom long or even by no means sleves.

Tomorow i shall post some pictures too.

to be continued...

Thanks for the info, just one question though what is a "gaiter"? In my next release you can expect the units to look more historically accurate than they were in the last one. I plan to finish up my shield designs, banners and the armored byz units.

Thanks for being patient you guys can expect a release sometime this week I will try and post some screenies between now and then.

[Orretje]

oops sorry WhiteWolf, Whitehead is a philosopher I had to study last week, thats why I mixed up

[joedreck]

my favorite pic. unfortunately is the soldier from 970. fantastic!!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...is/trhqthr.jpg

[Ificratis]

In the left Is a Skoutatos of the 11th-12th century.
Right is a Skoutatos of the 10th century.

The gaiter is the foot protection.



we i can't see the picture who I post?

[WhiteWolf]

Ah thank you much. This is just a little screeny showing some stuff I am playing with at the moment. One is one of the new leather armor design that is pretty much done as well as some varangian shield designs and some banners that I did a while back, (I am redoing them again as I dont like those they are just too simple for me).

[Giorgos]

i like the ΕΝ ΤΟΥΤΩ ΝΙΚΑ on the banners whitewolf. very impressive....

[The Mongol]

my favorite pic. unfortunately is the soldier from 970. fantastic!!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...is/trhqthr.jpg

That is wicked, Kataphract replacement?

[Slaxx Hatmen]

Ah thank you much. This is just a little screeny showing some stuff I am playing with at the moment. One is one of the new leather armor design that is pretty much done as well as some varangian shield designs and some banners that I did a while back, (I am redoing them again as I dont like those they are just too simple for me).

Holy crap whats with the sky it looks awesome!

[WhiteWolf]

Holy crap whats with the sky it looks awesome!

Horsearchers alpha is here though it is not completed you will have to tweak it so the background looks right.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=1154

[GODzilla]

Horsearchers alpha is here though it is not completed you will have to tweak it so the background looks right.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=1154

So....you did tweak it? If yes, why not let us have part?

[Gian Pascal]

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[Ificratis]

It will be very nice to have in the game a cataphract unit like this, but it's little unhistorical. These type of unit ubandoned due to large cost. The last unit of cataphract appears in combat at the battle of Matzikert in 1071.
But i think that an empire with a lot of money can have this unit. With high upkeep ofcource.
Anyway the main cavalry unit is the ''Kavallarioi''. They wear a chainmail armor or thorax from metal or leather parts as it appears in the photo.
They also wear gaiters and leather gloves.
The weapons are a spear up to three meters with a little flag, a bow, a sword and a dagger.
The shield was triangular or round.
The colors of the uniform was different from unit to unit.

The cavalryman with the flag is a standard-bearer of the Kavallarioi unit with the official uniform of the unit.

[joedreck]

somthing new from me.

two new banners. this is only a test, cause i lern to work with photoshop.
so i'm sorry, that the banners have not material structures. i dont know how to handle it.

left:infantry, right:cavalery the pic is a little bad, cause i used paint for the screenshot.

[WhiteWolf]

So....you did tweak it? If yes, why not let us have part?

Well it is only a incomplete tweak I think I saw a post by burrek that he might have done a good tweak. If you do find someone who did tweak it fully let me know.

somthing new from me.

two new banners. this is only a test, cause i lern to work with photoshop.
so i'm sorry, that the banners have not material structures. i dont know how to handle it.

left:infantry, right:cavalery the pic is a little bad, cause i used paint for the screenshot.

I like the pattern you did on the cavalry banner

Here are some of my finished banners for infantry and for cavalry.

[joedreck]

thaks. i like your banners too. hihi; i use saints for the upgrade flags.



so i have to think, if there is not better, when we make the byzantine banners together what do you think