Curial Jurisdiction Bill

[Spiff]

Curial Jurisdiction Bill

Proposer: Spiff
Supporters:

Summary:
To be used in conjunction with the Decisons Bill, the following text will give the Curia a precise area of effect when legislating and passing judgement on the forums and their operation.

Devolved Curial Jurisdiction:

The Staff of TWC willingly delegate a large say on a variety of topics relevant to the running of TWC to the Curia. The Curia therefore - through the Legislation Section of the Syntagma - has the right to legislate and pass judgement on the following aspects of the TWC forums, though it should be noted that this list is not exhaustive.

• The Syntagma
  The Curia holds the right to amend the Syntagma as per the "Legislation" section of the Syntagma.

• Curial User Groups
  The Curia holds the right to rename the Curial ranks listed in the Syntagma and add additional non-Staff ranks. The Curia may also amend the rights of non-Staff ranks or delete them outright.

• User Titles
  The Curia holds the right propose alterations to the 'user titles' which are granted to members upon achieving a specific number of posts on the forum. These changes may specify the minimum number of posts required to attain a title, and the name of the title itself.

• Reputation System
  The Curia holds the right propose alterations to all aspects of the 'Reputation' system on the forums.

• Competitions and Awards
  The Curia holds the right to initiate forum competitions and awards on a schedule determined by itself. The Curia may also determine the workings of a medal system insofar as the forum software will allow.

• Forum Content Management
  The Curia holds the right to hold elections for the role of Content Manager should it be vacant. The Content Manager is responsible, along with the Hexagon Council, for organising and maintaining the forums user created articles and ensuring the front page is updated regularly.

• Forum Names and Descriptions
  The Curia holds the right to propose changes to forum names and descriptions. The Hexagon Council shall then endeavour to reach a joint decision with the Curia when reaching its final decision on whether change is required and what form it shall take.

• Forum Structure
  The Curia holds the right to propose changes to the structure of the forums. The Hexagon Council shall then endeavour to reach a joint decision with the Curia when reaching its final decision on whether change is required and what form it shall take.

Version History

1.1 - Added Syntagma bullet point. Stressed 'non-exhaustive'

1.0 - Initial draft.

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Devolved Curial Jurisdiction:

The Staff of TWC willingly delegate a large say on a variety of topics relevant to the running of TWC to the Curia. The Curia therefore - through the Legislation Section of the Syntagma - has the right to legislate and pass judgement on the following aspects of the TWC forums:

• Curial User Groups
  The Curia holds the right to rename the Curial ranks listed in the Syntagma and add additional non-Staff ranks. The Curia may also amend the rights of non-Staff ranks or delete them outright.

• User Titles
  The Curia holds the right propose alterations to the 'user titles' which are granted to members upon achieving a specific number of posts on the forum. These changes may specify the minimum number of posts required to attain a title, and the name of the title itself.

• Reputation System
  The Curia holds the right propose alterations to all aspects of the 'Reputation' system on the forums.

• Competitions and Awards
  The Curia holds the right to initiate forum competitions and awards on a schedule determined by itself. The Curia may also determine the workings of a medal system insofar as the forum software will allow.

• Forum Content Management
  The Curia holds the right to hold elections for the role of Content Manager should it be vacant. The Content Manager is responsible, along with the Hexagon Council, for organising and maintaining the forums user created articles and ensuring the front page is updated regularly.

• Forum Names and Descriptions
  The Curia holds the right to propose changes to forum names and descriptions. The Hexagon Council shall then endeavour to reach a joint decision with the Curia when reaching its final decision on whether change is required and what form it shall take.

• Forum Structure
  The Curia holds the right to propose changes to the structure of the forums. The Hexagon Council shall then endeavour to reach a joint decision with the Curia when reaching its final decision on whether change is required and what form it shall take.

[gigagaia]

Hmmm... I'd like to work on the curial officer's bill first. We need the foundations in place before we hand out mandates, I think. Plus, I think that things like the content manager should have set terms and not indefinite periods.

[Halie Satanus]

I like it, makes things a bit more 'open', Perhaps though as there are various proposals as to who will populate the Curia and additional Curial bodies (offices) maybe this could wait until we know what other wonders the Curia will hold.

Right to appoint Curial offices. University, Mod registry ect...

gahhhy he beat me to it.^

[Garbarsardar]

I would like to see a post detailing the present roles of Hex members, the function and decision making process in the Hex council and the future plans of Hex about...ehem...Hex.

Until then I will take the:

• Right to remain undecided

Everything you vote for can and will be used against you.

[Tom Paine]

I'd actually like a larger Curial remit for a start, let alone setting a remit, which is rather closed-ended... Especially as there is no way for the Curia to legislate to change it, whether to increase or limit the remit. And that is pretty much unacceptable, when one remembers staff can veto anything it doesn't like.

[the Black Prince]

i'd also like to see a line that says this list is non exhaustive.

[Tom Paine]

I believe the purpose of the list is to be exhaustive and on those grounds alone I reject it, as it has literally no flexibility, not even internal flexibility. Hell, it means that we can't adjust the damn Constitution!

[the Black Prince]

yes, good point...

This should state that "This is a non-exhaustive list of staff responsibilities that have been delegated to the Curia." that way normal curia responsibilities like legislation aren't adversely affected, and it leaves room for the staff to devolve other areas, or indeed reclaim areas at will

[Sétanta]

I am not so sure. I would, ideally like this list to be easily ammendable both by Hex and the Curia (I hesitate to use the word staff, because in my opinion the main job of Tribounos' is moderating, not interfering with the Curia). If this is a finite list, it will surely miss my support. One point brought up by Ozymandias is a good one, the Curia needs to be able to ammend the Syntagma at will. I would also like to have reached a decision with regards to elections of Tribounos' before this bill is passed.

[Tom Paine]

Effectively this cannot, and definitively so in the present climate of unsureness and flux, be passed in good faith as being too limiting to both staff and Curia... poor drafting, for once, Spiff.

[Spiff]

Man i was sure i added a Syntagma bullet point in there, it should have been point number one.

Anyway yes this list in non-exhaustive, i had really just wanted feedback on the current list - obviously this is a first draft - i didnt mean to insult anyone here..

[Tom Paine]

Well as the storm of protest has shown... some issues need to be sorted out, including moderator selection, before this Bill should be taken further.

[Spiff]

What does moderator selection have to do with this bill? Moderator selection is dealt with in the staff sections of the Syntagma (and already says that elections can take place, though appointments are also possible)

[Sétanta]

What does moderator selection have to do with this bill? Moderator selection is dealt with in the staff sections of the Syntagma (and already says that elections can take place, though appointments are also possible)

Because it is a part of Curial Jurisdiction. Even if it was dealt with in depth in the Staff sections of the Syntagma, it is something that needs to be listed as a Curial Jurisdiction when Hex approves an election.

[Tom Paine]

Mainly because this sets out the jusrisdiction of the Curia and doesn't say a damn thing about staff at all? Its open-ended nature notwithstanding, it at least implies it is the vast majority of the Curia's remit.

[Spiff]

What should it say about staff? This is the Curia's Jurisdiction, the Staff powers are dealt with elsewhere (in fact i always thought that was the main issue, that the Syntagma always says what the staff can do but never what the Curia can)


Sétanta, this is jurisdiction for Legislation and Decisions (assuming that bill passes). I do not think its a good idea to give the Curia the right to tell the staff when they think a moderator election should be held, but rather keep it in the jurisdiction of the staff.

[Tom Paine]

If certain moderator elections are within the Curia's jurisdiction that makes them, well, definitionally within our jurisdiction, no?

I agree with you, on the matter of holding elections, incidentally; staff needs to be the ones who decide that.

[Spiff]

Not through the Legislation section of the Syntagma, which this bill deals with

[Simetrical]

I don't like the Curia appointing the content manager, at all. If that provision is removed, I'll support.

I would like to see a post detailing the present roles of Hex members, the function and decision making process in the Hex council and the future plans of Hex about...ehem...Hex.

As far as non-Hex members are concerned, Hex can be conisdered a monolithic and opaque entity. Our internal procedures are not relevant to non-members, and are subject to change at any time. Any of us would probably be happy to give you our take on the status quo if you were interested, of course, but it shouldn't be in the Syntagma.

[Garbarsardar]

I don't like the Curia appointing the content manager, at all. If that provision is removed, I'll support.

As far as non-Hex members are concerned, Hex can be conisdered a monolithic and opaque entity. Our internal procedures are not relevant to non-members, and are subject to change at any time. Any of us would probably be happy to give you our take on the status quo if you were interested, of course, but it shouldn't be in the Syntagma.

I also wouldn't like the Curia to elect the content manager.

And now to the off-topic issue:

I would be happy if the Hex, this opaque and monolithic entity with internal procedures not relevant to the current members of the TWC (i.e. the ones who revolted so the Hex can be a monolithic and opaque entity with internal procedures non-relevant to the non members) would give me and everybody else their take on the status quo, in public, before bringing Hex sanctionned bills in the Curia that delineate the Curial jurisdiction.

Except if the take on the status quo of the monolithic and opaque entity to which all members of this site regardless of rank entrusted with the day to day running of the site, is given on a need to know basis and we simply don't need to know.