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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    What does that have to do with your statement that Patricians shouldn't have the purple name at all?

    Do you even know what you're talking about right now?
    If you lost your citizenship and lost your purple name because of that, it already works. I really can't make that any simpler.

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Okay but other patricians still have their purple name though....

    You said that no patrician should have a purple name. What does that have to do with a specific person having their citizenship suspended?

    And I didn't lose my purple name, I still have it.

    What are you going on about?

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    I already explained this. The "Purple" color is part of the usergroups for the large award recipients. The Patrician badge inherited the same color. The color is the result of the large award, NOT the Patrician class.
    Irrelevant, they will get their color back when they serve out their suspension. They still get to display the large award.

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    Okay but other patricians still have their purple name though....

    You said that no patrician should have a purple name. What does that have to do with a specific person having their citizenship suspended?
    Patricians should not have a purple name. As was explained to you several times Patrician is not a large award, it is another form of citizenship. I did not state that had anything to do with any specific, suspended, individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    And I didn't lose my purple name, I still have it. What are you going on about?
    Yes you did, I'll assume when you had your citizenship removed, though you avoided the question and haven't confirmed that was the case. You got it back because of your Loincloth.

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    I did not state that had anything to do with any specific, suspended, individual.
    You did twice, actually.

    If you lost your citizenship and lost your purple name because of that, it already works. I really can't make that any simpler.
    Did you have your citizenship suspended and lose the purple name?. If so, it already works.
    As was explained to you several times Patrician is not a large award
    Huh? I've never said it was?

    Patricians should not have a purple name
    So I'll ask again, what are you proposing instead? It's just a badge with no special color? The same red citizen name?

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    You did twice, actually.
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    Patrician shouldn't be part of the purple group.
    Simple.
    Huh? I've never said it was?
    I didn't say you did, and yet it was explained to you several times in you attempt to VonC the Consul. Do pay attention.

    So I'll ask again, what are you proposing instead? It's just a badge with no special color? The same red citizen name?
    Yes, same red as any other citizen.

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Nope.
    Yep.

    I didn't say you did, and yet it was explained to you several times in you attempt to VonC the Consul. Do pay attention.
    So if I didn't say it, why was it explained to me?

    This doesn't make sense. Want to give it another go?

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    ^^ Re-read the VonC you issued for a childish motive and you might get it. But I doubt
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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitai de Bodemloze View Post
    After looking into it the other day when the issue came up with Akar, the coloured names are attached both to the Patrician class, and to the large awards themselves. Essentially, if you have a large award, there are two ways in which you can display your name in purple - one being through the Patrician usergroup, and the other being through a non-citizen usergroup. Whilst I have no issue with the Curia's right to remove the first (as it already does), I don't agree it should remove the second, as it negatively impacts those who hold large awards but for whatever reason choose not to identify as Citizens/Patricians. Hence I oppose. If someone wants to argue that retired or renounced citizens can retain access to a purple name as a non-citizen, but suspended or ostrakoned citizens cannot, then I'll hear them out, but I think that would be a little cruel.

    There's also the fact that a non-citizen Divus can still display their coloured name regardless, as that award isn't tied to Patricianship. Hence if they can do so, it's only fair/logical that other large award holders can do the same.
    This, and to reiterate what Iskar said - It works as it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Rush View Post
    Irrelevant, they will get their color back when they serve out their suspension. They still get to display the large award.
    well, as I said, the color is a result of the large award. The Patrician badge could just as easily be the same color as all of the citizen badge. Common sense have them as purple to align with the color already present by the large award recipient. The only way to remove the purple color is to remove the large award(s).

    Quote Originally Posted by King Athelstan View Post
    This, and to reiterate what Iskar said - It works as it should.
    I have to admit initially thought the "loophole" was that the Patrician badge was not being removed. Low and behold, the color is the issue. The only "solution" would be to remove the purple color for large award winners. Another side point is should large award winners be treated the same as citizenship? In order to be eligible for large award you have to meet the standard of citizenship. If you are incapable of maintaining that standard, then should you be allowed to display a large award? That being said Large award is far more content based than behavior and attitude. Plus, one could choose to not be a citizen. The Patrician badge removal, which is distinctive, should honestly be enough.

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    Another side point is should large award winners be treated the same as citizenship? In order to be eligible for large award you have to meet the standard of citizenshi
    Is this a serious suggestion or just a joke? I genuinely can't tell.

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    Is this a serious suggestion or just a joke? I genuinely can't tell.
    Sorry, I was referencing a previous discussion on this point in an appeal of a referral regarding a "Large award holder."

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    what?

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

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    Food for thought however-the amendment in the OP as it is now only affects those who have received an infraction and been suspended from the Curia that way. What about those who have been ostrakoned? Should it be the same for them? For consistency I would say that it should.
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    also, this

    What about those who have been ostrakoned? Should it be the same for them? For consistency I would say that it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango12345 View Post
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    Food for thought however-the amendment in the OP as it is now only affects those who have received an infraction and been suspended from the Curia that way. What about those who have been ostrakoned? Should it be the same for them? For consistency I would say that it should.
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    As already explained... If Ostrakon, you lose the right to display all citizenship badges which includes the Patrician class. The color is part of the large award and has nothing to do with Patrician class.

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    Quote Originally Posted by Tango12345 View Post
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    Food for thought however-the amendment in the OP as it is now only affects those who have received an infraction and been suspended from the Curia that way. What about those who have been ostrakoned? Should it be the same for them? For consistency I would say that it should.
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    I feel like you both have completely missed what an Ostrakon even is lmao

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    Default Re: Amendment - Suspension of rank and loss of badge and color display ability

    I think that Tango refers as well to the non citizen-large Award usergroup, which doesn't exist anymore (it has been replaced by the Patrician usergroup, actually), so what he is proposing is to double check on that, or so I interpreted his post.

    However, I still support the OP
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    non citizen-large Award usergroup, which doesn't exist anymore
    I am currently a member of this group.

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