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    The last leg isolationists had to stand on has collapsed. Americans have seen the consequences of withdrawal and realized it was a bad idea. It only gets worse from here on out.



    This is what happens when America surrenders. I don’t know how many more times my spoiled brat countrymen have to learn that lesson. Political extremists on the left and right, with the passive approval of the establishment, have spent a decade lying to the American people about “muh forever wars” to advance their objective of destroying the American world order from the inside. The people in charge failed to confront or communicate the consequences of that narrative, compared to the benefits of sustaining the NATO mission in Afghanistan. The fallout may prove to be our Suez moment.


    The ‘Endless Wars’ Fallacy
    There are many options between nation building and giving up, and we had found a good one in Afghanistan before President Biden abandoned it.

    That simple reality was never properly explained to the public. When Quinnipiac asked in a May survey, “Should we leave Afghanistan?” 62% of respondents said yes. But what if the question was framed more completely: “Should we leave Afghanistan even if it means an increased threat of terrorism to the homeland?”

    America didn’t lose a war, or even end one. We gave up on a strategic national-security interest. We gave up on our Afghan allies, expecting them to stave off a ruthless insurgency without our crucial support, which came at minimal cost to us. This administration’s actions are heartless, its justifications nonsensical. The consequences are dire for innocent Afghans and for America’s prestige. Twenty years after 9/11, I pray they don’t become equally dire for Americans at home.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/endless...st-11629209389
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    Afghanistan is not American taxpayer's problem, so goes for literally any part of the world that isn't territory of USA.
    I'm sure that all the warhawks are brave and resourceful people who can go there to "fight for democracy" themselves and finance it themselves as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    It's Trump's fault that Obama let all those Taliban leaders out of Gitmo years ago!
    It was Pompeo that completely capitulated to the Taliban and released thousands of their soldiers, including their current leader in Feb.2020. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of spreading Trump's fake news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilon View Post
    It was Pompeo that completely capitulated to the Taliban and released thousands of their soldiers, including their current leader in Feb.2020. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of spreading Trump's fake news.
    It must be Trump's fault...oh wait:

    https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/taliba...swap-by-obama/

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    You have to admit, at least Biden has the balls to say that the buck stops with him.

    With Forty Five, the buck gets thrown into a fan and spread everywhere else.
    Eats, shoots, and leaves.

  6. #1146

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    >The buck stops with me!
    >It’s not my fault! My hands are tied! It’s all Trump’s doing! The Afghans deserve this! Everything is fine! *flies back to Camp David
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    >The buck stops with me!
    >It’s not my fault! My hands are tied! It’s all Trump’s doing! The Afghans deserve this! Everything is fine! *flies back to Camp David
    The so-called return to American leadership also included failing to consult with any of the US's NATO allies, misleading the country on the competence of the Afghan military, hiding from the media, refusing to take questions and lying about nation building objectives.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The so-called return to American leadership also included failing to consult with any of the US's NATO allies, misleading the country on the competence of the Afghan military, hiding from the media, refusing to take questions and lying about nation building objectives.
    Even as the Administration assures US media that they will make sure the Taliban allow safe passage to the “fully secure” airport, Americans in Afghanistan are being told to “shelter in place” until further notice because safety can’t be guaranteed if people try to come to the airport. The level of bald face lying Biden and his fellow clowns are putting on is almost as disgusting as the utter contempt they have for their own people. The most egregious national humiliation in recent memory.

    https://apnews.com/article/afghanist...3072c885ed04f9
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sta...elter-in-place
    Last edited by Lord Thesaurian; August 17, 2021 at 06:23 PM.
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    I think this is more of a case that if Forty Five was dumb enough to make the withdrawal agreement with the Taliban, in order to have some form of foreign policy success in the run up to the Presidential elections, why not take advantage of it to simplify execution of known and stated Biden Afghan policy position.
    Eats, shoots, and leaves.

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    The funniest part is that if Typhoid Joe's administration would have just thought rationally for one second and went on with Trump's withdrawal timeline, Afghan government would have probably been still standing in one way or the other. But partisan psychosis did its thing and Democrats handed whole country to Taliban just to spite the bad orange man.
    This erratic and irrational behavior of Democrat leadership is the reason why US is humiliated on global level, while american intelligence agencies are currently world's laughing stock. I mean we are used to clowns from CIA to get easily played and outdone by Russians and other European adversaries, but I think this is the first time CIA got outclassed by a bunch of bearded mountain boys who never even read a book.

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    Afghan protesters waving the flag of the fallen Republic are being murdered by the Taliban. Their blood is on Biden’s hands.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ce-2021-08-18/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The so-called return to American leadership also included failing to consult with any of the US's NATO allies, misleading the country on the competence of the Afghan military, hiding from the media, refusing to take questions and lying about nation building objectives.
    I mean, this has been a thing since 2001.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Afghan protesters waving the flag of the fallen Republic are being murdered by the Taliban. Their blood is on Biden’s hands.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ce-2021-08-18/
    How do they think this would've been any different if Trump had been the one to leave Afghanistan, as he said he would do throughout his entire campaign and presidency, eventually deciding that May 2021 would be when he would eventually withdraw troops?

    How do you think the outcome would have been different if we'd instead stayed for another 20 years before leaving? 40 years? 100?

  14. #1154

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    If they just followed Trump's plan, at least parts of Afghanistan would be under control of the proxy Western regime and world image of America wouldn't end up being dipped into a toilet bowl by Talibullies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    How do they think this would've been any different if Trump had been the one to leave Afghanistan, as he said he would do throughout his entire campaign and presidency, eventually deciding that May 2021 would be when he would eventually withdraw troops?

    How do you think the outcome would have been different if we'd instead stayed for another 20 years before leaving? 40 years? 100?
    Trump's agreement brought peace. Up until Xiden broke the agreement there hadn't been any US casualties for over a year. Xiden is the one who, on a moments notice, decided to pull out the contractors who had been servicing the Afghan air force. Those Afghan troops had been taught to co-ordinate with air power. When the air force stopped flying the troops stopped fighting.

    But do go on and continue to make excuses for Xiden the Illegitimate.

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    In an exclusive interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, President Joe Biden said the U.S. is committed to getting every American out of Afghanistan -- even if it means potentially extending the mission beyond his Aug. 31 deadline for a total withdrawal.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-t...ry?id=79507932
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 



    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Biden
    American foreign policy must be purposeful and inspiring, based on clear goals and driven by sound strategies – not Twitter-tantrums.

    If we give Donald Trump four more years – we may never recover America’s standing in the world or our capacity to bring nations together.

    And that would be catastrophic for our security and our future.

    We can’t let that happen. As President, I will remind the world who we are. The United States of America does not coddle dictators. The United States of America gives hate no safe harbor.

    We must once more harness that power and rally the Free World to meet the challenges facing our world today. And it falls to the United States of America to lead the way.

    No other nation has the capacity. No other nation is built on that idea – that promise.

    And it’s in our self-interest.

    We have to champion liberty and democracy. We have to reclaim our credibility. We have to look with unrelenting optimism and determination toward the future.

    Thank you, and God protect our troops.
    This clown is as much or more a fraud as Trump ever was. Surrendering at break neck speed, leaving billions of dollars in equipment behind for the Taliban, is bad enough. Now he decides to send THOUSANDS of troops right back because he forgot the little detail of - checks notes - getting THOUSANDS of American citizens out first. Oops! There are no words to describe the level of ed up this situation is, and it’s all on him. I don’t care who else runs in 2024. Cannot possibly be worse than this miserable excuse for a man. I almost feel sick with guilt for having voted for this piece of trash. My conscience would be clearer if I hadn’t voted at all.
    Last edited by Lord Thesaurian; August 18, 2021 at 08:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    This clown is as much or more a fraud as Trump ever was. Surrendering at break neck speed, leaving billions of dollars in equipment behind for the Taliban, is bad enough. Now he decides to send THOUSANDS of troops right back because he forgot the little detail of - checks notes - getting THOUSANDS of American citizens out first. Oops! There are no words to describe the level of ed up this situation is, and it’s all on him. I don’t care who else runs in 2024. Cannot possibly be worse than this miserable excuse for a man. I almost feel sick with guilt for having voted for this piece of trash. My conscience would be clearer if I hadn’t voted at all.
    In the same interview Biden stated, when asked about the withdrawal, that the chaos was inevitable. This contradicts his prior claims about the capabilities and resolve of the Afghan military and the impossibility of a Saigon-style scenario. Around the same time, his own CJCS argued that there was no indication that the military and govt would collapse within eleven days, thereby simultaneously contradicting Biden's alleged prior knowledge of the chaos and exposing the Pentagon's incompetence.

    So either we accept that the administration was woefully informed about the situation on the ground or we believe that they were aware of the risks and still chose to sequence the exit with troops withdrawing before civilians and equipment.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    In the same interview Biden stated, when asked about the withdrawal, that the chaos was inevitable. This contradicts his prior claims about the capabilities and resolve of the Afghan military and the impossibility of a Saigon-style scenario. Around the same time, his own CJCS argued that there was no indication that the military and govt would collapse within eleven days, thereby simultaneously contradicting Biden's alleged prior knowledge of the chaos and exposing the Pentagon's incompetence.

    So either we accept that the administration was woefully informed about the situation on the ground or we believe that they were aware of the risks and still chose to sequence the exit with troops withdrawing before civilians and equipment.
    There are credible reports his own Admin warned him repeatedly about the likelihood of imminent catastrophe, and advised instead to keep a residual USM force in place, without which Kabul would have zero leverage in negotiations with the Taliban (which was why it was insane to withdraw to begin with). Biden ignored his own Admin while lying repeatedly to the American people, denying reports of grave warnings from the intel community and boasting of the ASF’s resilience despite knowing otherwise. He didn’t care. He had washed his hands of it all early last year, when he said he would accept “zero responsibility” if ever and whenever the Taliban took over.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-w...ks-11629214842

    The questions that will never be asked by a Democrat Congress are, what did he know, when did he know it, and to what extent did his lies, gaslighting, and refusal to heed advice contribute to the degree of utter failure this has become.



    Complete sociopath/narcissist. Deeply disturbing.
    Last edited by Lord Thesaurian; August 18, 2021 at 10:58 PM.
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    No, we don't care about your libertarian "evidence".
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    As the Defense Department continues to stick to its plans of not reaching out into Kabul to assist U.S. personnel and Afghan helpers evacuate, British and French forces have done so to rescue their citizens, multiple outlets report.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...kabul-reports/
    The Pentagon acknowledged that it does not currently have the capability to safely escort Americans in Kabul to the airport for evacuation.

    The Defense secretary's admission comes after the U.S. Embassy in Kabul issued a dire warning to U.S. citizens there stating that it "cannot ensure safe passage" to the airport.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/18/us-f...hief-says.html
    The entire Biden Admin should resign in disgrace.
    Last edited by Lord Thesaurian; August 19, 2021 at 02:24 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    No, we don't care about your libertarian "evidence".
    “To live without faith, without a heritage to defend, without battling constantly for truth, is not to live but to ‘get along’; we must never just ‘get along’.” - Pier Giorgio Frassati

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    Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin confirmed reports that Americans trying to reach the airport to leave Afghanistan are being beaten and called it "unacceptable" just moments after President Joe Biden said he didn't know of any Americans being blocked.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/defe...n-kabul-2021-8
    Biden lied again, and was immediately contradicted by his own Sec Def. This is the Iran hostage crisis on steroids, and all this Administration can do is lie, deflect, and beg the Taliban for mercy while other countries send soldiers to escort their citizens to safety. #Impeach46
    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    No, we don't care about your libertarian "evidence".
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