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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The GOP is a vessel of political power. It will abandon any position – no matter how long held - which it perceives as an electoral liability. That is playing to win. Claims about the party’s alleged commitment to “principles” or “constitutionality” are platitudes at best.
    Abandoning interests of your constituents to compromise with people that act openly against the interests of your constituents is an electoral liability in on itself. GOP has been on electoral retreat for the longest time before it, and it was only Trump who managed to change it.
    The problem with GOP is that its "neoconservative" wing wants the party to be "Democrats from 10 years ago", which neither works nor helps anyone.
    Smart thing to do for GOP is to reinvent themselves more like European identarian right-wing party, with less focus on simping for transnational megacorporations and more focus on interests of the population itself.

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    A little late for that. Most US conservatives have overwhelmingly and enthusiastically sacrificed everything they once claimed to believe in at the altar of Trump for just a small taste of their old power and influence:

    -They used to believe in the rule of law, then demanded that Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and dozens more be jailed without charges or trial for running against or angering Trump.

    -They used to be very suspicious of government intervention in the economy. But then Trump wanted protectionist tariffs and other forums cronyism that allow the government to pick and choose who will prosper, and suddenly the right-wing economists who lamented the poor having access to healthcare went silent.

    -They used to pride themselves on being rational compared to "pie-in-the-sky" liberals. But then Trump made them a bunch of crazy promises that he could rearrange the nation to their liking and fix their lives for them quickly and easily and suddenly anyone who asked questions was an enemy.

    -They used to pride themselves on their morality and old-fashioned values, then tossed them all aside for a man who embodies everything they claimed to loathe. A malicious, narcissistic bully with no core values, no moral compass, no decency, no sense of honor and whose word is definitely not his bond, but was willing to tell them the sweet lies they all wanted to hear-that their failings were the fault of someone else.

    -They used to believe in free and fair elections, until their candidate didn't win. Then they wanted Trump to suspend the Constitution and become a dictator to soothe their hurt feelings.

    I have no doubt that if Trump were to say "I've paid for a dozen abortions.", the anti-abortion movement on the political right would disappear in an instant, and you Prodromos would be expected to abandon your views or risk being labeled a deep-state RINO communist and cast out.

    So what's left? What does conservatism even stand for anymore beyond "Trump is a victim who needs all of your money"? What policies does it represent other than "Hurt all non Republicans"?

    Indeed, the GOP went from the party of "fiscal responsibility" (yeah right), the party of "family values" and "religious freedom" (only for their religion though). Now they're the party of fighting for the privilege of getting down on both knees and pleasuring Trump.
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    Bad orange man reigns rent free inside liberal/marxist minds. I bet marketing companies case study him daily to figure out the man's secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The GOP is a vessel of political power. It will abandon any position – no matter how long held - which it perceives as an electoral liability. That is playing to win. Claims about the party’s alleged commitment to “principles” or “constitutionality” are platitudes at best.
    I fixed it for you:


    The DNC is a vessel of political power. It will abandon any position – no matter how long held - which it perceives as an electoral liability. That is playing to win. Claims about the party’s alleged commitment to “principles” or “constitutionality” are platitudes at best.

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    I fixed it for you:

    The DNC is a vessel of political power. It will abandon any position – no matter how long held - which it perceives as an electoral liability. That is playing to win. Claims about the party’s alleged commitment to “principles” or “constitutionality” are platitudes at best.
    Not true. No one bothers to allege that the Democratic Party has any commitment to principles or constitutionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Because if your principles dictate that you abandon your people's interests, then those principles aren't worth a dime.
    Individual liberty, free markets, impartial rule of law - all of that is lost because conservatives treat politics like some kind of little league sports game by constantly ceding ground to cosmopolitan elites, while the latter cedes no ground and takes as much as it can get.
    This deep state (conglomerate of corporate and intelligence groups) aren't your opponents in a friendly sports game, it is an existential threat to the Western civilization and humanity in general.
    Unless conservatives start treating them as such, they will continue to lose until another powerful group rises up to counter these enemies of humanity in a more meaningful way.
    That leftists reject the entire liberal project and seek to return to a form of tribal politics of collective identity isn't some fresh new insight, nor does it in any way support your claim that the way to defend conservatism is by joining the left in destroying it.

    What do you mean by "your people's interests"? Who are these people, and why do their interests conflict with timeless conservative principles like self-government, inalienable rights and the equality of man? Your worldview sounds more fascist than conservative.

    Unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly clear that you're not a conservative with some new tactics for fighting the left, but simply a leftist who loathes conservatism and who hopes to concern-troll conservatives into self-destruction. You use the specter of an all-powerful left on the cusp of a permanent victory in order to provoke conservatives into a panic response of abandoning conservatism and adopting something more like fascism, which is just another form of leftist tribalism. Sorry, but I'm not falling for it, and I hope no one else is either.
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    That leftists reject the entire liberal project and seek to return to a form of tribal politics of collective identity isn't some fresh new insight, nor does it in any way support your claim that the way to defend conservatism is by joining the left in destroying it.
    Left rejects ethnic identity in theory, but it goes against its own ideology constantly to gain political victories by any means necessary.
    Your idea of defending conservatism is playing with marked cards against a guy who marked them while taking in pleasure from the fact that you aren't cheating, even though you keep losing for some reason.
    What do you mean by "your people's interests"? Who are these people, and why do their interests conflict with timeless conservative principles like self-government, inalienable rights and the equality of man? Your worldview sounds more fascist than conservative.
    "You are a fascist for acknowledging that your people exist and have interests". Look who sounds like a leftist now.
    My point is that none of those principles ( self-government, inalienable rights and the equality of man) really exist or even possible in the US in its current state.
    A the end of the day the reason why neolib establishment wants mass-immigration is not because their little liberal hearts bleed for third-worlders, but simply because they want to import cheap labor and loyal voters. Its all about taking away your wealth and your political power.
    Unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly clear that you're not a conservative with some new tactics for fighting the left, but simply a leftist who loathes conservatism and who hopes to concern-troll conservatives into self-destruction. You use the specter of an all-powerful left on the cusp of a permanent victory in order to provoke conservatives into a panic response of abandoning conservatism and adopting something more like fascism, which is just another form of leftist tribalism. Sorry, but I'm not falling for it, and I hope no one else is either.
    All this XX century terminology is tiring.
    Hungarian Fidesz party is nationalistic and conservative, and Hungarians and Poles have more freedom for their citizens then Germany and UK (ruled by alleged "conservatives").

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    Not true. No one bothers to allege that the Democratic Party has any commitment to principles or constitutionality.
    Well, since you put it like that.

    Meanwhile, a former WH doctor is calling Chairman Xiden's cognitive decline a national security issue:

    https://thegreggjarrett.com/former-o...at-this-point/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Reading the word of God is more profitable....

    If someone is willing to drop his conservative principles for the sake of gaining power, then what he stands for is not conservatism but power-worship. In other words, he's just another leftist.
    Conservatism is many things, leftism is many things, but scripture doesn't really offer a consistent position for or against either. Peter Abelard elided this point in "Sic et Non" and was castigated by church authorities for it.

    I'd go so far as to say Church tradition (with its many diverse voices and ideas) and even scripture itself offers numerous liberal, conservative, "left wing", "right wing" (obviously the Bible was written before 1789 so the terms are anachronistic) etc. moral and ethical approaches.

    To touch again on one of my favourites, in Job God's argument boils down to "because I'm older than you".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Conservatism is many things, leftism is many things, but scripture doesn't really offer a consistent position for or against either. Peter Abelard elided this point in "Sic et Non" and was castigated by church authorities for it.

    I'd go so far as to say Church tradition (with its many diverse voices and ideas) and even scripture itself offers numerous liberal, conservative, "left wing", "right wing" (obviously the Bible was written before 1789 so the terms are anachronistic) etc. moral and ethical approaches.

    To touch again on one of my favourites, in Job God's argument boils down to "because I'm older than you".
    The Bible doesn't provide comprehensive instructions for how governments should function, but it does provide us with key principles that inform the way we should relate to each other and how a society should be rightly judged. Whether these principles should be labelled as 'right-wing' or 'left-wing' depends on who you ask; either way, they a priori rule out the sort of race- or class-based envy and partialism that defines fascism and other socialist systems.

    The Bible also teaches the absolute sovereignty of God; he governs all things with unlimited power, wisdom and goodness and dossn't allow anything to happen without being directed toward a good result. The Bible exhorts us to place our trust in Providence and not to allow ourselves to be driven to despair by worldly loss or hardship. All this should guard us against Satanic arguments like, "Virtue is for suckers; you have to be evil like your enemies if you want to win", which fascists are quite fond of using as a way of duping conservatives into abandoning their principles and becoming a mirror image of the Left.
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    Well if anything it is "all people should have good wages, safe water, decent education, nutritious food and affordable health care" liberalism that is more Christian than "money is everything and anyone not like me deserves to be ground into the dirt and made to suffer" conservatism.

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    Well if anything it is "all people should have good wages, safe water, decent education, nutritious food and affordable health care" liberalism that is more Christian than "money is everything and anyone not like me deserves to be ground into the dirt and made to suffer" conservatism.
    If you can acquire and distribute those things without violating anyone's right to life, liberty or property - go for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    The Bible doesn't provide comprehensive instructions for how governments should function, but it does provide us with key principles that inform the way we should relate to each other and how a society should be rightly judged. Whether these principles should be labelled as 'right-wing' or 'left-wing' depends on who you ask; either way, they a priori rule out the sort of race- or class-based envy and partialism that defines fascism and other socialist systems.

    The Bible also teaches the absolute sovereignty of God; he governs all things with unlimited power, wisdom and goodness and dossn't allow anything to happen without being directed toward a good result.
    I don't agree, the Bibles states unequivocally that monarchy is the divine form of government. Jesus does allow his followers to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" but sees God as Father and King. Goid may bless individual kings but any form other than his absolute rule is not guaranteed. At times Israel is a tribal theocracy, at others a seemingly untrammelled absolute monarchy. In the Christian era God has not particularly blessed any form but monarchies and republics have claimed to be truly Christian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    The Bible exhorts us to place our trust in Providence and not to allow ourselves to be driven to despair by worldly loss or hardship. All this should guard us against Satanic arguments like, "Virtue is for suckers; you have to be evil like your enemies if you want to win", which fascists are quite fond of using as a way of duping conservatives into abandoning their principles and becoming a mirror image of the Left.
    Yes the much trafficked Biden is definitely sold as the "lesser of two evils" and "...but he's our bastard" as was that human trash pile Trump. I'd really love to have seen Pence given a spin. He didn't do much (VPs aren't allowed too I guess) but when the moment came he played a constitutionally correct hand. I suppose the Pentecostal faction are not powerful enough to get their own man in, without having some Oil Baron's pawn shackled to him.

    Just as a side not many socialists aspire to a very Christian utopia of sharing and caring. The poor Saints in Jerusalem held their goods in common IIRC, although they needed to capable Paul to support their lifestyle.
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    If you can acquire and distribute those things without violating anyone's right to life, liberty or property - go for it.
    And if you can wealth in some demi god individual act in a void than society would never have to need to ever infringe on your rights for the broader society.
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    Well if anything it is "all people should have good wages, safe water, decent education, nutritious food and affordable health care" liberalism that is more Christian than "money is everything and anyone not like me deserves to be ground into the dirt and made to suffer" conservatism.
    Modern neoliberalism has more to do with latter then the former.

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    Republicans expect the law to be enforced, the police to be funded, and the Constitution to be the law of the land.

    Democrats do not want the law enforced. They tell us that only black lives matter and they want the police to be defunded. In short, they want us all living with the law of the jungle.

    This is what the law of the jungle looks like:

    https://michaelsavage.com/more-white...nalist-racism/

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    Republicans expect the law to be enforced, the police to be funded, and the Constitution to be the law of the land.

    Democrats do not want the law enforced. They tell us that only black lives matter and they want the police to be defunded. In short, they want us all living with the law of the jungle.
    All of them?

    I can bet you all the money you've ever earned, every asset you've ever assembled, that Democrats by and large want the Constitution to be the basis for the law of the land.

    And I can bet you every cent again, that nobody of any note in any political party in the United States says "only black lives matter"

    The first thing is a matter of interpretation. The Constitution can be interpreted and amended. The Democratic party are willingly bound by their oath to it to the same extent as are Republicans. To insinuate otherwise is un-American of you.

    The second is a probably deliberate misunderstanding of the concept of black lives matter. Nobody of politically sound mind puts "only" in that sentence. Sure, disagree with them and their demands and debate against them, but to miss-state the phrase like that is heading into Putin green men territory. I dislike the GOP, but I am confident enough in my reason that I don't need to make up stuff.
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    All of them?

    I can bet you all the money you've ever earned, every asset you've ever assembled, that Democrats by and large want the Constitution to be the basis for the law of the land.

    And I can bet you every cent again, that nobody of any note in any political party in the United States says "only black lives matter"

    The first thing is a matter of interpretation. The Constitution can be interpreted and amended. The Democratic party are willingly bound by their oath to it to the same extent as are Republicans. To insinuate otherwise is un-American of you.

    The second is a probably deliberate misunderstanding of the concept of black lives matter. Nobody of politically sound mind puts "only" in that sentence. Sure, disagree with them and their demands and debate against them, but to miss-state the phrase like that is heading into Putin green men territory. I dislike the GOP, but I am confident enough in my reason that I don't need to make up stuff.
    Every time some one has said that "all lives matter" they've been shouted down by BLM and Democrats. As far as your delusion that Democrats adhere to their oaths of allegiance to follow the Constitution, that's just laughable.

    BTW, the guy being beaten in the video is 68.

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    Every time some one has said that "all lives matter" they've been shouted down by BLM and Democrats.
    That's because of the context in which people say "All lives matter" - it is usually being used as a counterpoint to the assumption that BLM means "only blacks lives matter"

    When in fact it means "black lives matter as much as everyone else's" within the context of black people being more likely to be shot by police than others in the same situations.

    Again, you can argue about the validity of the claims of BLM - and there are issues there. But in this case, you're making up a lie, and debating against the lie. You're creating a straw man that doesn't represent what you're debating against, and so doing nothing for your credibility.

    If you're going to debate against BLM, then debate against BLM - not the lie you invent about them.
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    All of them?

    I can bet you all the money you've ever earned, every asset you've ever assembled, that Democrats by and large want the Constitution to be the basis for the law of the land.

    And I can bet you every cent again, that nobody of any note in any political party in the United States says "only black lives matter"
    The hateful and racist reaction of establishment democrats to "Its okay to be white" posters proves the opposite.

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