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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    I should have said: "In the current version of capitalism". However, the money from your taxes that actually go to subsidize the wealth of billionaires is not that much. Trillions are wasted on other things. The tax exemptions of the rich for the "trickle down economics" are a different bag from the subsidizing.

    However, the inflation and the rising prices etc all have to do with the free market, not with subsidizing the rich. These are the result of capitalism. Corporate greed works hand in hand with capitalism.
    It is pretty obvious that "capitalism" is just a red herring at this point. It appears that major corporations and banks actually don't like capitalism, as it entails competition and struggle. Instead they simply bought the political class and rule by proxy through corrupt politicians regulating the economy on their behalf and in their interests.
    You forget that in a traditional free market as it was understood (free from government interference) you can have cartels, oligopolies and monopolies. The free market as in "free from oligopolies and cartels" can only happen with government interference. The current system is a meh (not disgusting) fusion of capitalism and oligarchy that still works well enough for other countries but it is getting out of hand in USA with growing income inequality.

    Bolshevism... ???? What Bolshevism has to do with it? In Bolshevism, the workers hold the power. There are no elites or even bosses.
    Well on one hand we have autocratic creeps that hate their own people that typically lead the modern "democracies" (like Merkel, Bush, Trudeau or Blair), so basically they are just neoliberal version of Lenin.
    Also oligopolies can't really exist without state regulating on their behalf.
    For example, American healthcare would have not been as artificially overpriced, if it wasn't for US government's regulating on its behalf.
    Ah, yes. We mostly agree on that part. The tax payer foots the bill (through tax exemptions of the rich, not subsidizing).
    What we disagree on is whether it is a monstrous fusion of Bolsevism and oligarchy or capitalism and oligarchy.
    And we strongly disagree on how bad it is. It is bad, but not too bad.

    And we disagree on something quite important:
    You sound like the 1900-1920s Bolsheviks, with literally the same arguments and you pander the same thing: an armed and violent uprising to unseat them and return power to the people. You even want free guns for the people, like the Bolsheviks did.
    You just erroneously change the word "Capitalism" with "communism", but dude, you are talking like a communist.

    And as I reply to communists, I will inform you:
    What you suggest has been tried and it didn't work. The solution is not the violent uprising of the proletariat and overthrowing the elites.
    The solution lies in finding responsible and good governors through democratic principles... and that is hard to do, but better and easier than the Proletariat bringing kangaroo courts and looting estates of the rich.
    Lol what I argue is to basically preserve democracy and capitalism by reducing power of federal government to appropriate minimum, abolishing federal reserve and maybe some administrative lustrations to ostracize and bar the members of the current political class from holding office ever again. Basically kinda what central Europe did to neuter its commie elite in 1990s, and in same way, Westerners will need to neuter the current neoliberal globalist elite for the same reason and same goals of democracy, capitalism and freedom.

  2. #2142

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    https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/edi...related-bottom

    Republican reports of the Democrats’ and President Joe Biden’s demise have been greatly exaggerated. A recent string of big wins by Biden and his party have helped put a serious dent in the Republican narrative that the nation’s economy is tanking, gasoline prices are skyrocketing out of control, Biden’s foreign policy is a disaster, and he can’t even muster the full support of his own party to get his cherished programs passed in Congress. On pretty much every score, he has proven them wrong.

    That doesn’t mean Democrats will sail to victory in the November midterms, however. They still face a steep uphill battle to maintain their already razor-thin control of Congress. But Republicans will face a much harder time arguing that Democratic control of the White House and Congress has brought the country to the brink of disaster.

    This article lists the many reasons Republicans hate Biden, but they can all be boiled down to that they don't want the nation to do well. You can read on this very thread their denial of and anger about inflation stabilizing.

    Of course this isn't unique to Biden. Back during the West Africa Ebola outbreak of 2014-2016 Republicans were grinning ear to ear and assuring one another that Obama bringing victims to the US for treatment was going to cause a massive pandemic that would kill millions. They were practically licking their lips in anticipation of it. When no such pandemic came, the disappointment and denial on the right was almost as big as Trump's loss.

  3. #2143

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    Democrats control Congress and the Executive. Republican wishing and hateful aside, as you describe it even if it exists, shouldn't matter. Why is inflation at 8.5x%? Why is gas up $1.75 since Joetato took office? Why is my under 400k taxable income going to increase under Joetato next year? Why is the consumer misery index up as high as it is? Why hasn't Joetato "shut down the virus" Why is almost every measurable facet of life worse under Joetato? Why has Joetato increased military spending? You can't blame muh 'publicans for all these awful policies the Banana Republic Biden admin have forced on us.

  4. #2144

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Democrats control Congress and the Executive. Republican wishing and hateful aside, as you describe it even if it exists, shouldn't matter. Why is inflation at 8.5x%?
    Because there is a war and pandemic that has impacted global supply lines, causing shortages and thus an increase in prices as is normal in capitalism.

    Why is gas up $1.75 since Joetato took office?
    See above. Once again, this is how capitalism works. If you don't like it I suggest you move to China.

    Why is my under 400k taxable income going to increase under Joetato next year?
    Because the tax credits you got from the Republican billionaire tax cuts are expiring, unlike theirs which are permanent.

    Why is the consumer misery index up as high as it is?
    You always think that "everyone" thinks like you have been instructed to. No, patriotic Americans are just fine.

    Why hasn't Joetato "shut down the virus"
    Don't pretend like it wasn't your side who has made vaccine denial a mark of fealty to Trump. It is your flock's fault that we are still dealing with this.

    Why is almost every measurable facet of life worse under Joetato?
    Real Americans are doing great. Your flock has been instructed to believe things are terrible, and you obey without question or thought.

    Why has Joetato increased military spending?
    You might have heard of this little place called China? Be honest, had he not done so you would accuse him of trying to weaken the country for his Chinese overlords.

    You can't blame muh 'publicans for all these awful policies the Banana Republic Biden admin have forced on us.
    Just because you are unhappy to see the United States do well does not mean this is a banana republic. Or that you are oppressed. You are simply not getting your way in all things and will have to learn how to deal with that, as most of us learned as children.

    Speaking of children, do you think calling President Biden names like a badly behaved child helps your case? Or can you simply not control your own behavior?
    Last edited by Coughdrop addict; August 15, 2022 at 02:05 AM.

  5. #2145

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    What specific policy of Biden caused inflation to rise? I have asked this a few times directly in response to some people's posts but haven't received even a simple attempt at responding to it. Maybe it will fare better if I put it out there in the open.
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  6. #2146

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    What specific policy of Biden caused inflation to rise? I have asked this a few times directly in response to some people's posts but haven't received even a simple attempt at responding to it. Maybe it will fare better if I put it out there in the open.
    Good luck with that. Because the right has demonized education and knowledge for it's base to make them easier to control, they have no idea how the economy or government works and are not interested in learning. Things like economic policies are way over their heads. They're just blaming the guy they don't like for anything else they don't like. You could probably convince them Biden cast a magic inflation spell.
    Last edited by Coughdrop addict; August 15, 2022 at 02:13 AM.

  7. #2147

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    What specific policy of Biden caused inflation to rise? I have asked this a few times directly in response to some people's posts but haven't received even a simple attempt at responding to it. Maybe it will fare better if I put it out there in the open.
    This is a lie.
    “Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be.” - Pope Leo XIII

  8. #2148

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    Biden's government's massive spending made inflation much worse then what it could have been. Makes sense to me why Americans want him gone now.

  9. #2149

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    It is pretty obvious that "capitalism" is just a red herring at this point. It appears that major corporations and banks actually don't like capitalism, as it entails competition and struggle. Instead they simply bought the political class and rule by proxy through corrupt politicians regulating the economy on their behalf and in their interests.
    This is closer to the truth than it should be. It's in the interests of big firms to slowly take lessons from Corporativism as to annul any chances of competitors in order to swallow up the biggest market share possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Well on one hand we have autocratic creeps that hate their own people that typically lead the modern "democracies" (like Merkel, Bush, Trudeau or Blair), so basically they are just neoliberal version of Lenin.
    They have many points to criticize, but Lenin was behind a civil war between reds/whites, and set the precedent to purge any "reds" not loyal to the Vanguardism. So it's bad, but not that bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Lol what I argue is to basically preserve democracy and capitalism by reducing power of federal government to appropriate minimum, abolishing federal reserve and maybe some administrative lustrations to ostracize and bar the members of the current political class from holding office ever again. Basically kinda what central Europe did to neuter its commie elite in 1990s, and in same way, Westerners will need to neuter the current neoliberal globalist elite for the same reason and same goals of democracy, capitalism and freedom.
    Case study. Too many Academics of Economics and Political Science at clash here. Not saying you're right or wrong, just that this is more of a deadlock/entrenched situation than it seems.
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  10. #2150

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    This is a lie.
    Can you link to a few instances where I have been given an answer for that particular question?


    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Biden's government's massive spending made inflation much worse then what it could have been. Makes sense to me why Americans want him gone now.
    Which specific spending, for example?
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  11. #2151

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    Asking questions that can be answered by Economics 101 is bad faith as it gets. Especially when it comes from posters who not only were present in threads which discussed what they suddenly ask "proof" for but even tried to rationalize the same policy they all of a sudden became painfully unaware of.

  12. #2152

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Asking questions that can be answered by Economics 101 is bad faith as it gets. Especially when it comes from posters who not only were present in threads which discussed what they suddenly ask "proof" for but even tried to rationalize the same policy they all of a sudden became painfully unaware of.
    So you can't name a single policy? Yikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    So you can't name a single policy? Yikes.
    Not only is this sealioning tactic painfully obvious, but an example was given a full page ago.
    “Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be.” - Pope Leo XIII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Not only is this sealioning tactic painfully obvious, but an example was given a full page ago.
    Not a single policy was named on page 107. Why don't you give it a try and tell us which policy you are referring to?
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal...ng-11660599304

    With millions crossing the southern border and Mexicans complaining about white American expats in the capital, at what point does the US just annex Mexico? It would shorten the US southern border by about 1200 miles. The cartels are probably small potatoes compared to the Taliban, and it seems like the average Mexican would rather live in the US anyways given most immigrants are men seeking work. 13% of Americans are native Spanish speakers, second largest group in the world, and millions more as a second language, and Mexican cuisine is one of the most popular in the US. The left has destroyed the Protestant ethic in the US and most people don’t go to church regularly anymore anyway. At this point I’d settle for 100 million Catholics, I’m sorry to say. And at that rate, what’s the point of Canada being a separate country either? North American Union ftw.
    “Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be.” - Pope Leo XIII

  16. #2156

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    Whole thing can be quite easily fixed by abandoning the failed War on Drugs.
    Make happy powders legal, put cartels out of business.
    That also frees probably trillions in budget that would otherwise be gobbled up by useless federal law enforcement agencies.
    Last edited by Heathen Hammer; August 16, 2022 at 08:56 AM.

  17. #2157

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    Sure, maybe Chapter 43 of the Trump follies will be the one chapter where media hysteria isn’t disproportionate to the end result. It seems unlikely. If the Mar-a-Lago raid turns out to be a Mueller-like down payment on a Justice Department failure to find the Jan. 6 crimes that many Americans are lusting to see Mr. Trump prosecuted for, one collateral cost is Mr. Trump’s extreme delight at being returned to the center ring of the American political circus—and also the extreme delight of his codependents, Joe Biden and the Democrats.

    Add it all together—the Trump documents and Jan. 6 investigations, the Hunter Biden-related investigations, the Clinton campaign-FBI-Russia collusion investigation—and, golly, our Justice Department and FBI will be dragging us back, Michael Corleone-like, into the Trump wars whether we like it or not as 2024 approaches.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-tru...24-11660676478
    Nailed it.
    “Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be.” - Pope Leo XIII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Nailed it.
    Indeed. Our liberal belief that criminals should face justice even if they are wealthy Republicans is what separates us from your side.

    You see, Trump has committed actual crimes. These are different from the imaginary crimes of Hillary Clinton (child sex colonies on mars, cannibalism, witchcraft, whatever she's accused of this week) or Hunter Biden (being related to the man who beat Strong Daddy, making something of his life where Trump voters failed). We liberals want to see Trump held accountable for his crimes, because the belief that the rule of law should apply to everyone equally is a fundamental liberal ideal. This is in contrast to the conservative ideal of the multi-tiered justice system that stomps harshly on "those people", applies a much lighter tough to oneself, and stays far away from hereditary aristocrats like Trump.

    Ask yourself this, and be honest. Suppose Obama had taken top secret intel away with him, with clear intent to sell it to the highest bidder. Would you be okay with that?

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    You see, Trump has committed actual crimes.
    Citation needed
    Suppose Obama had taken top secret intel away with him, with clear intent to sell it to the highest bidder.
    Hillary Clinton did violate the Espionage Act, which Trump is accused of doing, specifically, § 793(f):
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 



    The FBI rather infamously confirmed this, but determined not to prosecute.
    Last edited by Lord Thesaurian; August 17, 2022 at 05:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    What specific policy of Biden caused inflation to rise? I have asked this a few times directly in response to some people's posts but haven't received even a simple attempt at responding to it. Maybe it will fare better if I put it out there in the open.
    - He appointed people in the Federal government that were evidently not good enough to deal with this.
    - He more or less said "Mission accomplished" about CoVID last year, when I was warning people to not trust him, thus prolonging and exacerbating the financial pain (and causing tens of thousands of deaths)
    - Executive order to give food to low income Americans (a policy I 100% agree with but has the unfortunate side-effect of inflation) and a federal pay raise, which also can cause inflation.

    And probably more, but I won't bother to check.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post

    Hillary Clinton did violate the Espionage Act, which Trump is accused of doing, specifically, § 793(f):
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Hillary was never the president, though.
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