President Biden's first term in office

[alhoon]

@conon

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fed-up-wi...222347492.html

Biden is losing some voters. Not sure this particular group would actually matter, since they seem to be in places that the Democrats would win by +10%. I.e. in places like California, Biden using 1% of the vote (which is actually tens of thousands of votes) is not going to change anything.
But it shows that Biden is regarded by many in the Democrat party to be "meh" at best to "I am not voting for him" at worst.

[Jozam]

Perhaps Biden knows his foreign supporters sympathize with the enemy and doesn’t want to stir the melting pot in an election year.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...each-over-gaza

The majority of Arab Americans are native-born and 82% of Arabs in America are U.S. citizens. For all the implications of Arab Americans caring about the Arab world ("traitors", "not real Americans"), Jewish Americans caring about Israel has all the same implications. In reality, there's nothing inherently American about preferring an isolationist or interventionist foreign policy or picking one side or another in a distant Middle-Eastern conflict; different U.S. citizens have different opinions and will naturally seek to implement their preferred policies through the legal democratic process.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The majority of Arab Americans are native-born and 82% of Arabs in America are U.S. citizens.

The point was not to oppose the legal status of the immigrant communities in question. I only referenced complaints from the Arab American community about their relatives in Yemen or Gaza as a clear cut case of foreigners using their influence within the United States to lobby our government on behalf their home countries. I also gave the example of a sitting foreign born congresswoman bragging about her power to manipulate US policy in the interests of Somali nationalism. If they were getting paid to do this by the governments or organizations they lobby for, it would be a potential crime. But lobbying and voting for free can be just as damaging. With the growing prevalence of foreign born population and foreign born voters, these kinds of manipulations will only grow in significance and variety.

If we look at the case of Asian Americans for example, it takes generations for anything close to political assimilation to occur. I haven’t seen an equivalent comparison for Hispanics, but anecdotal evidence comports with the trend.

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/31/asi...ts-generations

Unfortunately, the broader ideological sympathy on the American left for terrorism, including for Hamas, Iran or the Houthis, is a much more grim and intractable problem than any one immigrant community, because it’s motivated by ideological hatred of the United States, rather than more direct familial or foreign nationalist concerns.

It’s those sympathies within Joe Biden’s party that have paralyzed the administration’s response to enemy attacks on US forces that recently culminated in the deaths of our troops at the hands of Iranian proxies. A less foreign electorate wherein the Democrat Party doesn’t have millions of foreign born voters underwriting their political dominance might be less disposed to protest on behalf of the enemy, and more likely to demand vengeance for our fallen comrades and the unwavering enforcement of our national interests.

It also underscores why the Democrats sabotage border security. There’s little or no downside for them, either from an electoral standpoint or from their role as representatives of the urban managerial class who benefit from a bottomless supply of cheap and expendable labor that lacks the connections and protections of native workers.

All the implications of Arab Americans caring about the Arab world ("traitors", "not real Americans"), Jewish Americans caring about Israel has all the same implications.

Correct, with one key caveat: The existence of the state of Israel and its role as a vital US ally in the Middle East are more a question of US national interest than Jews kidnapped by Hamas. Jewish Americans are not demanding the US take action on behalf of their relatives while some of those same relatives actively try to kill Americans and violently oppose our interests abroad. The day Israel turns against the US in any comparable way is the day my opinion of the place changes accordingly.

In reality, there's nothing inherently American about preferring an isolationist or interventionist foreign policy or picking one side or another in a distant Middle-Eastern conflict; different U.S. citizens have different opinions and will naturally seek to implement their preferred policies through the legal democratic process.

It’s less about the qualities of a “real American” and more about the observation that growing numbers of foreigners (millions) in the country will inevitably change our politics and government forever, as it has in the past. In the European case, this brought European concepts of political liberalism and European style of government intervention in the private sector. This influence heavily affected native voter preferences as well, and the government of our country long after those immigrants were dead and buried.

We can debate whether European style social programs or liberal policies these immigrants lobbied for were beneficial for the country, but that’s not relevant to today. I can’t think of any influence, cultural or otherwise, that our politics and government will benefit by adopting from the failed and failing states millions of illegal migrants come from, just since Biden took office.

[Lord Thesaurian]

https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-...-arizona-shift

Just one month after Texas took border security enforcement into her own hands, CBP confirms the migrant flood has shifted away from the Texas border and towards New Mexico and California. Stark evidence the Biden Administration’s willful negligence has played a significant role in exacerbating illegal immigration and chaos at the border. The system isn’t broken, it’s being sabotaged from within.

[Jozam]

Correct, with one key caveat: The existence of the state of Israel and its role as a vital US ally in the Middle East are more a question of US national interest than Jews kidnapped by Hamas. Jewish Americans are not demanding the US take action on behalf of their relatives while some of those same relatives actively try to kill Americans and violently oppose our interests abroad. The day Israel turns against the US in any comparable way is the day my opinion of the place changes accordingly.

You probably know this but there's been several cases where individuals connected to the Israeli government have been caught, charged with and convicted of espionage or other illegal activities in the U.S.

The case of Jonathan Pollard is particularly egregious. A former U.S. Navy intelligence analyst, he stole numerous closely guarded U.S. secrets, including the "National Security Agency's ten-volume manual on how the U.S. gathers its signal intelligence, and disclosed the names of thousands of people who had cooperated with U.S. intelligence agencies." The information was passed on to Israel who in turn shared them with the Soviet Union, reportedly in exchange for the continued emigration of Soviet Jews to Israel. Pollard was caught and sentenced to life in prison in 1987 but Israeli officials and U.S. Jewish and pro-Israel groups lobbied for his release. He became an Israeli citizen in 1995 and quickly made his way to Israel upon his release from prison in 2015, where he received a hero's welcome.

Pollard's family made a special effort to instill a sense of Jewish identity in their children, which included devotion to the cause of Israel.[18]

Pollard grew up with what he called a "racial obligation" to Israel,[19] and made his first trip to Israel in 1970, as part of a science program visiting the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot.

In June 1984, Pollard started passing classified information to Sella. He was paid $10,000 cash and given a very expensive diamond and sapphire ring, which Pollard later offered to his girlfriend, Anne Henderson, when proposing to her. Pollard was paid well by the Israelis: he received a salary that eventually reached $2,500 (equivalent to $6,802 in 2022) a month, and tens of thousands of dollars in cash disbursements for hotels, meals, and jewelry.

According to another retired station chief, in 1985, a month after Pollard's arrest, the CIA director William Casey complained: 'The Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the USSR - all of it. The co-ordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets.'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/19.../julianborger1

When asked to return the stolen material, the Israelis reportedly supplied only a few dozen less sensitive documents.[54] At the time, the Americans knew that Pollard had passed tens of thousands of documents.

The Israelis created a schedule designed to wear the American investigators down, including many hours per day of commuting in blacked-out buses on rough roads, and frequent switching of buses,[54] leaving them without adequate time to sleep, and preventing them from sleeping on the commute.[54] The identity of Pollard's original handler, Sella, was withheld. All questions had to be translated into Hebrew and answered in Hebrew, and then translated back into English, even though all the parties spoke perfect English.[54] The Commander Jerry Agee remembers that, even as he departed the airport, airport security made a point of informing him that "you will never be coming back here again." After his return to the US, Agee found various items had been stolen from his luggage.[54] The abuse came not only from the guards and officials, but also the Israeli media.[54]

Sella was eventually indicted on three counts of espionage by a United States court.[55] Israel refused to allow Sella to be interviewed unless he was granted immunity. The United States refused because of Israel's previous failure to cooperate as promised. Israel refused to extradite Sella, instead giving him command of Tel Nof Airbase.

During campaigning leading up to the 1999 Israeli general election, Netanyahu and his challenger Ehud Barak exchanged barbs in the media over which had been more supportive of Pollard. In 2002, Netanyahu visited Pollard in prison.[86] In 2007 he pledged that, if re-elected Prime Minister, he would bring about Pollard's release.[87]

The Jerusalem City Council has also acted in support of Pollard, changing the name of a square near the official prime minister's residence from Paris Square to Freedom for Jonathan Pollard Square.[114]

Pollard and his wife, Esther, finally arrived in Israel on December 30, 2020, on a private jet owned by US billionaire Sheldon Adelson. They were greeted on arrival by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who handed Pollard his Israeli documentation.[11][12] Israeli Intelligence Minister Eli Cohen said that Pollard would be granted a government stipend equivalent to the pensions granted to former Mossad and Shin Bet agents.[198]

Pollard was honored by Mayor of Jerusalem Moshe Lion at a Jerusalem Day gala in 2021. Pollard gave the keynote address to the gala, in which he accused the U.S. government of anti-Semitism, called the U.S State Department and the United Nations enemies of Israel, and referred to the Biden administration as "Amalek."[202][203] In Jewish tradition, the 613 commandments mandates that Amalekites must be killed.[204]

[Lord Thesaurian]

Pollard was sentenced to life in prison and was only paroled because of legal technicalities. As for support from the Israeli government, we need only look at Saudi Arabia to see a counter example of US willingness to overlook alot in a diplomatic relationship. The point I made was that Israel as a state exists and acts in a way consistent with US interests, in contrast with Gaza or Yemen.

Anyway, it’s not a good idea to equate Muslims and Jews in America. American Jews are far less religious than Americans, and only a third of secular Jews claim to have any emotional connection to Israel. Some of the highest profile anti-Israel protests since October 7 have been organized by secular Jews. I don’t need to tell you that none of the occasionally violent protests spearheaded by Arab/Muslim immigrant communities have been critical of Hamas or jihadists in Gaza.

Arabs/Muslims in the US are not only less secular but also more willing to enforce their religious or ethnic influence when they gain the power to do so.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-flags-banned

But this highlights the cynical paradox of Democrats’ immigration policies. Foreign born voters overwhelmingly back Democrats because of open borders and pro-amnesty policies, as well as generous public benefits and accommodations for immigrants, legal and illegal alike. Most of these immigrants come from cultures that would never entertain in their home countries the social agenda enforced in the US by the liberal establishment. Democrats in blue cities lament the failure of the Biden Administration to curb mass migration as the latter breaks budgets and brings crime and poverty. Yet whenever a border state tries to address the problem at one of the major sources, they are slandered as racist traitors.

Most Americans consider the situation at the border to be an invasion, a crisis of utmost priority. Texas has proven in just a month that addressing the problem is a question of will, not means. Yet the liberal establishment hates Americans so much, they would rather import reliable foreign voters and cheaper workers purchased with public funds than use their institutional dominance to score an easy bipartisan win and stop mass migration.

The federal government’s threats against Texans for doing the job the feds refuse to do indicates we are fast approaching the situation described in the Declaration of Independence, wherein a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce us under absolute despotism, underscoring our duty to throw off such government and provide new guards for our future security.

The Republican governors banding together to assist their fellows in Texas represent such an effort, but even this is doomed to fail. Without a logistically and politically impossible mass deportation effort sustained for many years, the damage continues to grow. It therefore cannot be reversed, and our national decline domestically and globally cannot be arrested.

[PointOfViewGun]

It's a dumb comparison to weigh Muslims, or any other minority group, against Jews in USA. Jewish Americans already established a degree of influence whether its in the form of military aid to Israel or through basic acceptance of Jewish practices in daily lives of people.

[Jozam]

Pollard was sentenced to life in prison and was only paroled because of legal technicalities. As for support from the Israeli government, we need only look at Saudi Arabia to see a counter example of US willingness to overlook alot in a diplomatic relationship. The point I made was that Israel as a state exists and acts in a way consistent with US interests, in contrast with Gaza or Yemen.

The U.S. and Israel are two different countries and like any two countries are bound to have some conflicting interests. I doubt you think stealing U.S. military secrets and sharing them with America's top rival is consistent with U.S. interests, but the Israelis nevertheless found it consistent with theirs.

Anyway, it’s not a good idea to equate Muslims and Jews in America. American Jews are far less religious than Americans, and only a third of secular Jews claim to have any emotional connection to Israel. Some of the highest profile anti-Israel protests since October 7 have been organized by secular Jews.

According to a 2020 Pew study, 58% of American Jews say they're emotionally attached to the state of Israel and 82% say that caring about Israel is an important or essential part of what being Jewish means to them. American Jews with no connection to Israel are very much in the minority.

Most Jewish Americans have long-standing connections to Israel - Pew Research Center

[Lord Thesaurian]

I doubt you think stealing U.S. military secrets and sharing them with America's top rival is consistent with U.S. interests, but the Israelis nevertheless found it consistent with theirs.

You’re right, I don’t. But the US isn’t bombing jihadist militias and sending military aid to Israel to fight terrorists because the latter stole US military secrets. They attacked and killed Americans. Qatar hosts and funds Hamas but the country is considered a close partner of the US. Politics is complicated, but we can rest assured that US partnership with Israel or Qatar or Saudi isn’t necessarily because Jewish or Arab immigrants in the US demand it or because the liberal establishment likes these countries. It’s also worth noting US support for Israel is what holds them back to any degree from solving the Palestinian issue on their own, brutal terms in short order. The US has played quite a conciliatory role in advocating for the sort of two state solution that neither Palestinians nor Israelis want.

According to a 2020 Pew study, 58% of American Jews say they're emotionally attached to the state of Israel and 82% say that caring about Israel is an important or essential part of what being Jewish means to them. American Jews with no connection to Israel are very much in the minority.

You can care about Israel without supporting it. I’m not really sure what the implication is here. There’s more than one Arab country that gets sweetheart treatment from the US without direct lobbying from Arabs in the US. I referred to the paralysis of the Biden Administration in its response to terrorism and attacks on US forces, precisely because of the fact his political base, including a historically high number of foreign voters, are sympathetic to the terrorists. This includes the specific example of Arab immigrant communities threatening to boycott the election because of Biden’s lukewarm support for Israel and airstrikes against terrorists in the region.

[Jozam]

You’re right, I don’t. But the US isn’t bombing jihadist militias and sending military aid to Israel to fight terrorists because the latter stole US military secrets. They attacked and killed Americans. Qatar hosts and funds Hamas but the country is considered a close partner of the US. Politics is complicated, but we can rest assured that US partnership with Israel or Qatar or Saudi isn’t necessarily because Jewish or Arab immigrants in the US demand it or because the liberal establishment likes these countries. It’s also worth noting US support for Israel is what holds them back to any degree from solving the Palestinian issue on their own, brutal terms in short order. The US has played quite a conciliatory role in advocating for the sort of two state solution that neither Palestinians nor Israelis want.

You can care about Israel without supporting it. I’m not really sure what the implication is here. There’s more than one Arab country that gets sweetheart treatment from the US without direct lobbying from Arabs in the US. I referred to the paralysis of the Biden Administration in its response to terrorism and attacks on US forces, precisely because of the fact his political base, including a historically high number of foreign voters, are sympathetic to the terrorists. This includes the specific example of Arab immigrant communities threatening to boycott the election because of Biden’s lukewarm support for Israel and airstrikes against terrorists in the region.

It seems at odds with any kind of principled opposition to foreign influence on U.S. politics to label an Arab American a traitor or a foreign agent simply for withdrawing his support from a president he holds complicit in the murder of his foreign grandmother, but then to turn a blind eye to Jewish Americans who support and identify with a foreign country that spies on the U.S., steals its military secrets and shares them with U.S. adversaries, causing immeasurable harm to U.S. national security in the process.

Qatar hosts and funds Hamas but the country is considered a close partner of the US.

For the record, Qatar hosts Hamas and financially props up Gaza at the request of the U.S. and Israel.

Since 2012, Qatar has hosted a political office for Hamas after the group’s external leadership was kicked out of its previous base in Damascus for criticizing the Assad regime’s violent repression of demonstrators at the start of the Arab Spring. What Doha’s detractors miss is that the Obama Administration asked Qatar to play this role so that it could maintain an indirect channel of communication with Hamas, which is deemed a “foreign terrorist organization” by the State Department. This proscribes U.S. officials from communicating directly with Hamas, which makes having an intermediary able to engage pragmatically on issue-specific points, especially in times of tension, all the more critical.

In recent years, the Qatari government has also provided significant financial aid to Gaza to pay wages for civil servants, deliver assistance to needy families, finance the UN refugee agency operating schools and hospitals, and support construction projects. As a New York Times investigation confirmed, this money was provided at the behest of the United States and Israel, who wanted to stabilize Gaza amid Israel’s crippling blockade but were unable to allocate funds themselves. That does not mean, however, that Israel has not had a direct role in the dispersal of these funds. At times, money was literally hand-carried through Israel’s Erez Crossing into Gaza and escorted by Israeli intelligence officers. Later, it was dispersed through United Nations aid mechanisms at the discretion of the Israeli government.

Indeed, mere days before October 7, Qatar was asked to increase its funding to Gaza to mitigate an escalating economic crisis and calm discontent, according to reports in the Israeli press.

How Netanyahu's Hamas policy came back to haunt him — and Israel

Netanyahu's hawkish defence minister Avigdor Liberman was the first to report in 2020 that Bibi had dispatched Mossad chief Yossi Cohen and the IDF's officer in charge of Gaza, Herzi Halevi, to Doha to "beg" the Qataris to continue to send money to Hamas.

"Both Egypt and Qatar are angry with Hamas and planned to cut ties with them. Suddenly Netanyahu appears as the defender of Hamas," the right-wing leader complained.

A year later, Netanyahu was further embarrassed when photos of suitcases full of cash going to Hamas became public. Liberman finally resigned in protest over Netanyahu's Hamas policy which, he said, marked "the first time Israel is funding terrorism against itself."

[Lord Thesaurian]

It seems at odds with any kind of principled opposition to foreign influence on U.S. politics to label an Arab American a traitor or a foreign agent simply for withdrawing his support from a president he holds complicit in the murder of his foreign grandmother, but then to turn a blind eye to Jewish Americans who support and identify with a foreign country that spies on the U.S., steals its military secrets and shares them with U.S. adversaries, causing immeasurable harm to U.S. national security in the process.

I get it, you don’t like Israel. But I already explained the difference between cynical national interests and foreign influence, between terrorism and spying. The rest of what you brought up belongs in the Gaza thread.

The equivalence you are drawing in order to allege hypocrisy doesn’t exist. A Jew who asks for clemency for his brother for selling secrets to a country that no longer exists via Israel is objectively less relevant to the implications of mass migration we are dealing with today than an Arab who demands we allow his cousins to continue murdering/kidnapping Americans and bombing American shipping right now, and trolls the libs by passing local ordinances against gay people.

I don’t consider all immigrants the same either, and I’d sooner import a million people from Mexico than 1000 from other places featured more recently, for obvious reasons that are consistent with the concerns I’ve discussed. Furthermore, any appreciation I might have for Islamic cultural influence to counteract the degenerate filth of the liberal establishment is cancelled out by the fact Muslims in the US tend to vote for left wing politicians regardless, including Islamist Democrat members of Congress.

The stats tend to back me up on this as well. Years ago, when most immigrants were coming from Mexico, the implications of immigration on crime, foreign influence and foreign policy were less relevant. But immigration has mostly come from outside Mexico in years since then, bringing crime, culture clash and mayhem.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/icfjs9818.pdf

Now, we’re mass importing Hindu nationalists, communists, Chavistas, jihadists, and the kind of gangsters and traffickers Gigachad Bukele I of Jerusalem is trying to expel from his country, and God knows who else. It’s a show, and the liberal establishment is sabotaging efforts to stop it.

[Jozam]

I get it, you don’t like Israel. But I already explained the difference between cynical national interests and foreign influence, between terrorism and spying. The rest of what you brought up belongs in the Gaza thread.

The equivalence you are drawing in order to allege hypocrisy doesn’t exist. A Jew who asks for clemency for his brother for selling secrets to a country that no longer exists via Israel is objectively less relevant to the implications of mass migration we are dealing with today than an Arab who demands we allow his cousins to continue murdering/kidnapping Americans and bombing American shipping right now, and trolls the libs by passing local ordinances against gay people.

I don’t consider all immigrants the same either, and I’d sooner import a million people from Mexico than 1000 from other places featured more recently, for obvious reasons that are consistent with the concerns I’ve discussed. Furthermore, any appreciation I might have for Islamic cultural influence to counteract the degenerate filth of the liberal establishment is cancelled out by the fact Muslims in the US tend to vote for left wing politicians regardless, including Islamist Democrat members of Congress.

The stats tend to back me up on this as well. Years ago, when most immigrants were coming from Mexico, the implications of immigration on crime, foreign influence and foreign policy were less relevant. But immigration has mostly come from outside Mexico in years since then, bringing crime, culture clash and mayhem.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/icfjs9818.pdf

Now, we’re mass importing Hindu nationalists, communists, Chavistas, jihadists, and the kind of gangsters and traffickers Gigachad Bukele I of Jerusalem is trying to expel from his country, and God knows who else. It’s a show, and the liberal establishment is sabotaging efforts to stop it.

This discussion started when you described native-born U.S. citizens of Arab ethnicity as "foreigners" and complained that Arab Americans hold too much influence in U.S. politics.

In discussions like this, it's always helpful to replace "Arabs" with "Jews" and see how the context comes across.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

––Noam Chomsky, Perilous Power: The Middle East and U.S. Foreign Policy

To be clear, my point wasn't that Jewish Americans are somehow the "true" foreigners, as opposed to Arabs; it was to show that if there was an argument that the U.S. national interest conflicted with the interests of Americans of a particular ethnicity (which there isn't, since the concept of a U.S. national interest independent of the interests of U.S. nationals is nonsense) the argument would be just as strong in the case of Jews as Arabs. The fact that you're willing to make the argument against Arabs but not Jews tells me you don't actually care about foreign influence and you just dislike Arabs for other, unmentionable reasons.

[Ludicus]

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[Lord Thesaurian]

This discussion started when you described native-born U.S. citizens of Arab ethnicity as "foreigners" and complained that Arab Americans hold too much influence in U.S. politics.

Not really. If you look at post 2800 or post 2789, no particular ethnicity was singled out, and examples given did not focus solely on Arabs at all. The focus on Jews and Arabs is entirely your own. Democrats in general are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists that have kidnapped and murdered Americans, and that’s a crisis - one that is exacerbated by millions of foreign voters supporting the Party, including the Arab Muslim communities openly lobbying the administration on behalf of terrorists. That’s just a fact, and I frankly couldn’t care less about your personal feelings toward Jews.

In discussions like this, it's always helpful to replace "Arabs" with "Jews" and see how the context comes across.

Sure, whatever you say. Your attempted counterexamples so far have failed to substantiate the tangential complaints about Jews that you interjected into a discussion of mass migration and foreign policy.

To be clear, my point wasn't that Jewish Americans are somehow the "true" foreigners, as opposed to Arabs; it was to show that if there was an argument that the U.S. national interest conflicted with the interests of Americans of a particular ethnicity (which there isn't, since the concept of a U.S. national interest independent of the interests of U.S. nationals is nonsense) the argument would be just as strong in the case of Jews as Arabs. The fact that you're willing to make the argument against Arabs but not Jews tells me you don't actually care about foreign influence and you just dislike Arabs for other, unmentionable reasons.

Projecting insecurities because of dislike for a particular (((ethnicity))) for unmentionable reasons is neither the subject nor object of anything I have said. If all you’re trying to say is Ilhan Omar or Muslim rioters and political activists should be sentenced to life in prison like Jonathan Pollard was, I’m fairly certain that would make the opposite argument you intend to.

I’ve also mentioned Hindu nationalists, foreign communists/socialists, Chavistas, rising immigrant crime and other aspects of mass migration in parallel with the fact left wing support for terrorism has paralyzed the Biden Admin’s response to recent attacks by Islamic terrorists.

The overall point I’ve made is that importing millions of people from around the world with no regard for national origin or security or assimilation will irreparably corrupt the political representation and interests of Americans, consistent with history and the current examples I’ve given. This trend is entirely the fault of the liberal establishment’s willful sabotage of border and immigration security. If you can’t address the topic in context because all you care about is the Jewish question, then your contribution to the discussion has run its course.

On topic, the state of Texas continues to expose the Biden Admin’s shameless lies and finger pointing about immigration and border security.

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/st...83873796911364

Illegal border crossings have been cut from thousands a day to near zero in the area where Texas seized control, without any new legislation.

[Ludicus]

...Unfortunately, the broader ideological sympathy on the American left for terrorism, including for Hamas, Iran or the Houthis, is a much more grim and intractable problem than any one immigrant community, because it’s motivated by ideological hatred of the United States, rather than more direct familial or foreign nationalist concerns.

Really.
I could have said :"unfortunately, the broader ideological sympathy on the American right for the Israeli state terrorism is motivated by racial hatred".But I won't say it, because it wouldn't be entirely true. It sounds like I'm listening to Ben Shapiro, the conservative Jew, in his magnus opus, "The Radical Evil Of The Palestinian Arab Population”.

The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core…The Palestinian Arab population breeds terrorism, anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism… The West has bribed them for decades, and the Palestinian Arabs have demonstrated their preference for suicide bombing over working toilets.

The irony is that Zionism and antisemitism are each other's best recruiting tools, says someone who was born and raised in Israel (I've been saying the same in another thread). Supporting Palestinian rights is antisemitic because Israel wants it to be- Abraham Gutman

But if describing the oppressive actions of the Jewish state is “feeding antisemitism,” then demanding the end of these acts could reduce the heat.

This is so true! - but it is easily open to misinterpretation.

An enlightening story. In New York, three weeks after the WW2, Ben Gurion met Rudolf Sonneborn and a group of wealthy Jews in New York to raise money for arms and equipment. Rudolf Sonneborn leading figure in the Jewish Community one of the most prominent fund-raisers for the state of Israel

The New York Times wrote his obituary on June 4, 1986:

Rudolf Goldschmid Sonneborn, a Zionist leader in the US, dies at 8.
Once Israel was established, Mr. Sonneborn was in the forefront of campaigns that raised hundreds of millions of dollars for Israel. He became a familiar figure at dinners and other events, exhorting American Jews to dig deeper into their pockets to help a flood of hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees settle in Israel.

Absolutely correct. What the New York Times “forgot” to say: during the meeting with his guests, the disgusting racist billionaire, the great Zionist leader, reassured his guests that the "Arabs would be no obstacle to Zionist ambitions, since ‘the average of that race is inferior even to our average Negro.’

They said it then, and many still say it today.

[Lord Thesaurian]

I could have said :"unfortunately, the broader ideological sympathy on the American right for the Israeli state terrorism is motivated by racial hatred".But I won't say it, because it wouldn't be entirely true.

It would be an irrelevant aside from untrue assertion. Support for Israel has been a bipartisan affair until recently. This divergence is motivated by ideological hatred of the United States on the American left that has become popular culture, thanks to the growing dominance of the liberal establishment. It is so intense and pervasive that none other than Osama bin Laden has gone viral among the younger generation for his profoundly compelling perspective on the world.

And so we see a paralyzed Democrat White House, caught between the responsibility to respond to constant attacks on US forces, and the weight of millions of foreign born and radical leftist voters underpinning its political success. If the Administration hits back too hard, Biden’s reelection chances could be harmed as his political base applies pressure or refuses to vote for him altogether. But if he does not respond at all, Iran will continue to target and kill Americans with total impunity before the whole world.

The Administration has already shown willingness to sidestep requirements under the War Powers Resolution by relying explicitly on statutory authority to take the actions it has. This is all about optics. The result has been a series of half-measured and ineffective responses to constant attacks on US forces and international shipping that fail to mitigate them, while serving primarily as propaganda victories for Tehran and her proxies.

[Jozam]

Not really. If you look at post 2800 or post 2789, no particular ethnicity was singled out, and examples given did not focus solely on Arabs at all. The focus on Jews and Arabs is entirely your own. Democrats in general are sympathetic to Islamic terrorists that have kidnapped and murdered Americans, and that’s a crisis - one that is exacerbated by millions of foreign voters supporting the Party, including the Arab Muslim communities openly lobbying the administration on behalf of terrorists. That’s just a fact, and I frankly couldn’t care less about your personal feelings toward Jews.

Sure, whatever you say. Your attempted counterexamples so far have failed to substantiate the tangential complaints about Jews that you interjected into a discussion of mass migration and foreign policy.

Projecting insecurities because of dislike for a particular (((ethnicity))) for unmentionable reasons is neither the subject nor object of anything I have said. If all you’re trying to say is Ilhan Omar or Muslim rioters and political activists should be sentenced to life in prison like Jonathan Pollard was, I’m fairly certain that would make the opposite argument you intend to.

I’ve also mentioned Hindu nationalists, foreign communists/socialists, Chavistas, rising immigrant crime and other aspects of mass migration in parallel with the fact left wing support for terrorism has paralyzed the Biden Admin’s response to recent attacks by Islamic terrorists.

The overall point I’ve made is that importing millions of people from around the world with no regard for national origin or security or assimilation will irreparably corrupt the political representation and interests of Americans, consistent with history and the current examples I’ve given. This trend is entirely the fault of the liberal establishment’s willful sabotage of border and immigration security. If you can’t address the topic in context because all you care about is the Jewish question, then your contribution to the discussion has run its course.

Though I would've hoped for you to admit your comments were bigoted and wrong, and promise never to post anything like that again – playing dumb and backtracking on your comments is also acceptable.

FWIW I enjoyed reading some of your posts in the other threads, but here they just seem to be an endless stream of negativity and hate. Please don't confuse being eloquently angry for having something interesting to say.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Though I would've hoped for you to admit your comments were bigoted and wrong, and promise never to post anything like that again – playing dumb and backtracking on your comments is also acceptable.

Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose. I haven’t repudiated anything I’ve said here and have no reason to. Projecting accusations of bigotry after shoehorning (((them))) into the conversation unprompted says more about your position than anyone else’s. I can only hope the threats from Muslim communities to ruin Biden’s electoral chances over US attacks on Islamist terrorists succeeds, in favor of someone who isn’t beholden to them.

[Coughdrop addict]

It is very unlikely that immigrants are leaving their lives-their friends and family-in other countries behind, and making the journey at great cost, and undergoing the arduous, lengthy process of becoming citizens, solely so they can destroy the country from within.

It is even less likely that they are doing this as part of a giant conspiracy to change the demographics of the U.S. by "the degenerate filth of the liberal establishment" towards some ill-defined nefarious end.

Honestly this line of thinking says more about the right then immigrants or the left. Apparently the right's opinion of the United States is so poor that they cannot imagine immigrants might sincerely wish to be a part of it. They are projecting their own anti-American feelings onto the people who actually want to be here.

[Lord Thesaurian]

It is very unlikely that immigrants are leaving their lives-their friends and family-in other countries behind, and making the journey at great cost, and undergoing the arduous, lengthy process of becoming citizens, solely so they can destroy the country from within.

Millions of people have illegally entered the US since Biden took office because they are allowed to. If they were interested in undergoing the arduous lengthy process of legal immigration, they would have done so.

It is even less likely that they are doing this as part of a giant conspiracy to change the demographics of the U.S. by "the degenerate filth of the liberal establishment" towards some ill-defined nefarious end.

The degenerate filth of the liberal establishment sabotages border and immigration security because they benefit electorally from mass migration. Simple as.