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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Support for Israel has been a bipartisan affair until recently. This divergence is motivated by ideological hatred of the United States on the American left ...
    That's nonsense, and you know it. Trump couldn't have said it better himself...are you using the statement "ideological hatred of the United States", in a way more attuned to psychoanalysis?
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    ...The degenerate filth of the liberal establishment sabotages border and immigration security because they benefit electorally from mass migration..
    My guess is that Paul Krugman is a “self-hating American”,
    Opinion | Immigrants Make America Stronger and RicherNew York Times
    Modern nations can’t — practically or politically — have open borders, which allow anyone who chooses to immigrate.
    The good news is that America doesn’t have open borders, and there is no significant faction in our politics saying we should. In fact, immigrating to the United States legally is fairly difficult.
    The bad news is that we’re having a hard time enforcing the rules on immigration, mainly because the relevant government agencies don’t have sufficient resources. And right now, the reason they don’t have those resources is that many Republicans in Congress, while fulminating about a border crisis, appear determined to deny the needed funding.
    Their position is rooted in extraordinary political cynicism, and they aren’t even trying to hide it: Donald Trump has intervened with Republicans to block any immigration deal because he believes that chaos at the border will help his election prospects.
    While blatant sabotage explains the current immigration impasse, however, there’s something else lurking behind it: Trump and those around him are profoundly hostile to immigration in general.
    Partly this is xenophobia, if not outright racism. If you repeatedly declare, as Trump has, that immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country,” you don’t really care if they came here legally, you’re all but saying that what matters is whether they’re white.
    But it’s not just that. People close to Trump have a zero-sum view of the economy, in which every job taken by someone born outside the United States is a job taken away from someone born here.
    Back in 2020, Stephen Miller, one of the architects of Trump’s immigration policies, told Trump supporters that one of the goals was to “turn off the faucet of new immigrant labor.” Remarkably, Trump issued an executive order meant to deny visas to highly skilled foreigners, many working in the tech sector. Miller and his boss apparently believed that this would mean more plum jobs for Americans, when what it would actually do was undermine American competitiveness in advanced technology.
    So this seems like a good time to point out that negative views of the economics of immigration are all wrong. Far from taking jobs away, foreign-born workers have played a key role in America’s recent success at combining fast growth with a rapid decline in inflation. And foreign-born workers will also be crucial to the effort to deal with our country’s longer-term problems

    About that recent success: It has taken a while, but many observers are finally acknowledging that the United States has done extraordinarily well at recovering from the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic. Inflation has faded away in much of the world, but the United States stands out for its ability to combine disinflation with vigorous economic growth. And one key to that performance has been rapid growth in the U.S. labor force, which has risen by 2.9 million since the eve of the pandemic four years ago.
    How much of that growth was due to foreign-born workers? All of it. The native-born labor force declined slightly over the past four years, reflecting an aging population, while we added three million foreign-born workers.
    Did those foreign-born workers take jobs away from Americans — in particular, native-born Americans? No. America in early 2024 has full employment, with consumers who say that jobs are “plentiful” outnumbering those saying jobs are “hard to get” by almost five to one. The unemployment rate among native-born workers averaged just under 3.7 percent in 2023, as low as it’s been since the government began collecting the data.
    In fact, I’d argue that the influx of foreign-born workers has helped the native born. There’s a large research literature on the economic impact of immigration, which consistently fails to find the often predicted negative effects on employment and wages. Instead, immigrant workers often turn out to be complementary to the native-born work force, bringing different skills that, in effect, help avoid supply bottlenecks and allow faster job creation. Silicon Valley, for instance, hires a lot of foreign-born engineers because they bring something additional to the table; the same is true for workers in many less-glamorous occupations.
    And immigrant workers have probably been especially important these past few years, as the economy has struggled to resolve disruptions caused by the pandemic.
    Foreign-born workers are crucial to America’s fiscal future. To a first approximation, the federal government is a system that collects taxes from working-age adults and spends much of the proceeds on programs that help seniors, such as Medicare and Social Security. Cut off the flow of immigrants, who are largely working-age adults, and our system would become much less sustainable.
    So while the mess at the border needs to be fixedand could be fixed if Republicans would help solve the problem instead of exploit it for political advantagedon’t let that mess obscure the larger reality that immigration is one of America’s great sources of power and prosperity.
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    Did those foreign-born workers take jobs away from Americans — in particular, native-born Americans? No. America in early 2024 has full employment, with consumers who say that jobs are “plentiful” outnumbering those saying jobs are “hard to get” by almost five to one. The unemployment rate among native-born workers averaged just under 3.7 percent in 2023, as low as it’s been since the government began collecting the data.
    Comical to see the allegedly pro-labor left shill for corporate bourgeois interests. Low unemployment is structural as the baby boomer generation is retiring and there aren’t enough people to fill the gap. This is one reason the liberal establishment insists we must import millions of foreigners.

    https://www.worldwideerc.org/news/gl...ce-and-economy

    Furthermore, since unemployment is so low, it stands to reason there are not millions of vacancies available for the illegal immigrants pouring into the country. Krugman is correct that millions of illegal immigrants are not a threat to his elitist shill journo job and that they make people like him richer. They are profoundly lacking in education and skills on average, competing with and suppressing the wages of less skilled and less educated workers the liberal establishment claim to advocate for. This effect provides economic benefits, job security and higher wages to the upper class urban managerial elite they actually represent, and millions of foreigners provide a steady stream of reliable future votes, perpetuating the cycle.
    Despite evidence indicating that an increased presence of low-skilled immigrants is associated with losses at the lower end of wage distribution, we do not observe a similar result between high-skilled immigrants and natives at the upper end. Instead, the presence of foreign-born workers, whether high- or low-skilled, is associated with substantial gains for high-wage natives, particularly those at the very top. Consequently, increased immigration is associated with greater wage dispersion.

    Our main findings indicate that an increased presence of low-skilled immigrants is associated with small wage losses for similarly skilled natives. However, the most intense competition is still among low-skilled immigrants themselves, who suffer much greater wage losses in states with a high density of their peers. Furthermore, we find that low-skilled immigration is associated with higher wages for high-skilled natives, likely by providing productivity-augmenting services or through exploitation. In contrast to our findings for low-skilled immigrants, we do not find an adverse relationship between high-skilled immigrants and high-skilled native wages. Instead, the presence of high-skilled immigrant workers is linked to some gain for low-wage natives and large increase for high-wage natives.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8612123/
    Even so, I’m not anti-immigration. Conservatives in Congress are also supportive of measures to attract foreign university students, for example, consistent with the above observations.

    https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/u...06.02.2020.pdf

    I’m against unchecked mass migration that has worsened wage inequality and brought an outsized crime rate for years, especially when it’s the result of political sabotage by the liberal establishment.
    n 1998, 63% of all federal arrests wereof U.S. citizens; in 2018, 64% of allfederal arrests were of non-U.S. citizens(figure 1 and table 4).

    Non-U.S. citizens, who make up 7% of theU.S. population (per the U.S. Census Bureaufor 2017), accounted for 15% of all federalarrests and 15% of prosecutions in U.S. districtcourt for non-immigration crimes in2018 (tables 7a and 13)

    Federal arrests of non-U.S. citizens more than tripledfrom 1998 to 2018 (rising 234%), while federalarrests of U.S. citizens rose 10% over the same period(table 4).ƒ

    Federal arrests of non-U.S. citizens increased from73,022 in 2017 to 125,027 in 2018, a 1-year increaseof over 50,000 (table 4).

    In 2018, non-U.S. citizens accounted for 24% of allfederal drug arrests and 25% of all federal propertyarrests, including 28% of all federal fraud arrests
    https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/icfjs9818.pdf
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    Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose. I haven’t repudiated anything I’ve said here and have no reason to. Projecting accusations of bigotry after shoehorning (((them))) into the conversation unprompted says more about your position than anyone else’s. I can only hope the threats from Muslim communities to ruin Biden’s electoral chances over US attacks on Islamist terrorists succeeds, in favor of someone who isn’t beholden to them.
    It's pretty goofy to blame anti-Jewish bigotry on Middle-Eastern immigrants and maybe leftie college students – and then declare your support for this guy:

    Trump has regularly spoken about American Jews as if Israel is their country, rather than the United States.

    At a White House Hanukkah party in 2018, Trump said Vice President Mike Pence and second lady Karen Pence go to Israel “and they love your country. They love your country. And they love this country” — the implication being that “this country” is distinct from “your country.”

    In a September 2020 call after Rosh Hashanah, Trump told American Jewish leaders, “We really appreciate you; we love your country also.”

    In 2019, he referred to Benjamin Netanyahu as “your prime minister” at a Republican Jewish Coalition event.
    The most popular antisemitic trope in politics is that Jews control things behind the scenes — often by virtue of their money and cunning. And Trump has also leaned into this.

    And in the December 2021 interview, Trump offered perhaps his most suggestive comments on this front.

    “It used to be that Israel had absolute power over Congress, and today I think it’s the exact opposite,” he said.
    After phone calls with Jewish lawmakers, Trump has muttered that Jews “are only in it for themselves” and “stick together” in an ethnic allegiance that exceeds other loyalties, officials said.

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    It's pretty goofy to blame anti-Jewish bigotry on Middle-Eastern immigrants and maybe leftie college students – and then declare your support for this guy:
    If I choose to vote for Trump, it won't be for whatever his opinions on Jews may or may not be - although, it's pretty goofy to equate rampant left wing antisemitism with the most pro-Israel conservative president in a generation or more.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...nt-after-trump
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    If I choose to vote for Trump, it won't be for whatever his opinions on Jews may or may not be - although, it's pretty goofy to equate rampant left wing antisemitism with the most pro-Israel conservative president in a generation or more.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...nt-after-trump
    I strongly, very strongly, dislike Trump, but Legio is right here. There is no question Trump was insanely pro-Israel. Kushner was the Caesar for Middle East under Trump, and more, much more.
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    https://www.newsweek.com/mike-lindel...ed-him-1868802

    Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow and staunch supporter of former President Donald Trump, claimed on Friday to have lost another business partner.
    Lindell founded the MyPillow company and created its namesake product in 2004, later losing accreditation from the Better Business Bureau (BBB) in 2017 after an influx of consumer complaints about its advertising methods. He has also been a longtime supporter of Trump, beginning in the earlier days of his 2016 presidential campaign.
    He rose to greater national prominence in the aftermath of Trump's loss to Joe Biden in 2020, with reports suggesting that he was advising Trump on methods for contesting the results and staying in power. Lindell has, since then, remained a vocal proponent of the former president's false claims of election fraud, and has by his own admission sunk a large amount of his own money into pursuing evidence that such fraud had cost Trump the election.
    Lindell has also lost a number of prominent business partnerships since 2021, with the CEO claiming that it was due to his support of election fraud claims, insisting that he has been the victim of "cancel culture" while others have said his political pursuits have made his brand toxic and unpopular. MyPillow was dropped by major vendors Kohl's and Bed, Bath, & Beyond, who cited market research that showed low demand for the company's products. Walmart and Slumberland Furniture followed suit later on.
    In the modern world of conspiracy theory conservatism, there's no room for the idea that some business decisions are made because of, you know, financial reasons. Such rational explanations are discarded in favor of the kind of hyper-paranoia that only desperate, delusional tribalism can provide: a world in which companies don't actually care about turning a profit, and only a conspiracy can possibly cause them to drop a toxic or under-performing brand. See also any rants about "woke corporations" trying to change society to some malevolent end and certainly NOT trying to expand their customer base.

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    If I choose to vote for Trump, it won't be for whatever his opinions on Jews may or may not be
    Voting for an anti-Jewish bigot may not necessarily mean you share his bigotry but it does mean you tolerate and accept it, which further contributes to its normalization within society. It's obviously not a deal-breaker to you. It also makes it hard to take your crusade against anti-Jewish bigotry seriously when you're willing to put an anti-Jewish bigot in the most powerful political office in the world just in exchange for some policy goodies on the border or some other issue. The obvious implication is you don't care all that much about anti-Jewish bigotry and you're just exploiting it to justify legal and/or socially-sanctioned bigotry against other groups like Arabs and Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    although, it's pretty goofy to equate rampant left wing antisemitism with the most pro-Israel conservative president in a generation or more.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...nt-after-trump
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    I strongly, very strongly, dislike Trump, but Legio is right here. There is no question Trump was insanely pro-Israel. Kushner was the Caesar for Middle East under Trump, and more, much more.
    Irrelevant, we're talking about his views on American Jews and Jews more broadly, not Israel. Ironically, the only way this defense makes any kind of sense is if you share Trump's belief that all Jews are actually Israeli.

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    Voting for an anti-Jewish bigot may not necessarily mean you share his bigotry but it does mean you tolerate and accept it, which further contributes to its normalization within society. It's obviously not a deal-breaker to you. It also makes it hard to take your crusade against anti-Jewish bigotry seriously when you're willing to put an anti-Jewish bigot in the most powerful political office in the world just in exchange for some policy goodies on the border or some other issue. The obvious implication is you don't care all that much about anti-Jewish bigotry and you're just exploiting it to justify legal and/or socially-sanctioned bigotry against other groups like Arabs and Muslims.
    You haven’t even established that Trump is in fact an anti-semite. You’ve copy-pasted accusations and insinuations. It’s a tough case to make when his favorite daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism with his blessing. But the bigger problem is that you’ve yet to connect these allegations with the topic of the discussion.
    Irrelevant, we're talking about his views on American Jews and Jews more broadly, not Israel. Ironically, the only way this defense makes any kind of sense is if you share Trump's belief that all Jews are actually Israeli.
    Well, you’re talking about it. I’m not sure about others here. If/when Israel kidnaps, murders and bombs Americans in an ongoing war and then Trump tries to use his political influence to hinder US policy in response, we might be at a point where these random bits of whataboutism make any sense. In the interim, Arab and Muslim communities in the US continue to use their political influence in the US with the goal of preventing Biden from using US military aid and force against terrorists that are attacking and killing Americans. That’s a fact no matter how many false equivalences people can come up with.

    This effort is amplified by antisemitism and anti-US hatred that is already rampant on the American left. It’s just one example of the implications of millions of foreigners currently pouring into the country, bringing with them their political influences and guaranteed votes for the Democrat Party. If you’d like to address the topic for the first time so far, feel free.
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    You haven’t even established that Trump is in fact an anti-semite. You’ve copy-pasted accusations and insinuations. It’s a tough case to make when his favorite daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism with his blessing.
    Just so we're clear, you don't consider the following beliefs bigoted against Jews?

    "Trump has regularly spoken about American Jews as if Israel is their country, rather than the United States."

    "Trump told conservative radio host Ari Hoffman that 'Israel literally owned Congress… 10 years ago, 15 years ago… Israel had absolute power over Congress'"

    "Trump has muttered that Jews 'are only in it for themselves' and 'stick together' in an ethnic allegiance that exceeds other loyalties"

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    I’m aware the journalist in question wants to present Trump’s references to Israel as the Jewish homeland, to the Jewish lobby in Congress, or jokes about Jewish stereotypes as antisemitic. That last quote implying Jews are part of a vast ethnic conspiracy was reported from other journalists who got it from unnamed sources - second or third hand anonymous rumors. Since these involve a particular interpretation of Trump’s intent, I can’t claim to know what anti-Trump journalists know. A Muslim is very well aware of the importance of context and intent when interpreting texts or things an important person has allegedly said, surely. Scholars dedicate their lives to such minutiae. What I can say for certain is that it’s almost completely off topic.
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    Damn, he really said that:

    Trump says 'Israel literally owned Congress' in interview
    Former US president Donald Trump said "Israel literally owned Congress" in an interview with Ari Hoffman on 570 KVI Friday, as originally reported by Haaretz.
    "Well, you know the biggest change I've seen in Congress is Israel literally owned Congress – you understand that, 10 years ago, 15 years ago – and it was so powerful, it was so powerful, and today it's almost the opposite," Trump said.
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    ….and when you quote the full context in the article, it’s a factual assessment that US support for Israel is no longer bipartisan and hasn’t been for a while now.
    Trump quickly went on a tangent, saying the biggest change he had seen in Congress was the shift of power from legislators under Israel's influence to anti-Israel politicians:

    "Well, you know the biggest change I've seen in Congress is Israel literally owned Congress – you understand that, 10 years ago, 15 years ago – and it was so powerful, it was so powerful, and today it's almost the opposite," Trump said.

    The former president referred to certain left-wing progressives in Congress who he accused of hating Israel. "You have – between AOC [Rep. Alexandria-Ocasio Cortez] and [Rep. Ilhan] Omar and these people that hate Israel, they hate it with a passion – they're controlling Congress and Israel is not a force in Congress anymore, it's – I mean – it's just amazing. I've never seen such a change," he said.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    If Trump said that Jews should be killed it looks like we'd have people trying to normalize his words as a mere factual assessment.
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    Well, Trump is the man who said, “I could shoot somebody and not lose voters”.In the best Al Capone style, he also said that he would even encourage Russia to attack allied countries that don't pay what they owe.
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    If the best defense the liberal establishment can come up with for their endemic antisemitism and jihadist sympathies is to accuse the guy with the Orthodox Jew son in law of antisemitism, I guess we can see how they were stupid enough to get caught trying to frame him as a Russian agent too.

    Back on topic, Texas’ border security campaign continues to humiliate the federal government and expose the liberal establishment’s complicity in the ongoing invasion. Proven results, no Biden border bill needed. It’s no wonder conservative governors across the country want to be associated with this historic effort.

    https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/amer...tion-lone-star
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    The "border is wide open" is a political fallacy created as a talking point in an election year by republicans who see the writing on the wall for 2024. As soon as the election is over the "border is wide open" narrative will be dropped and completely forgotten just like the 2018 'caravans' the Magas were terrified of, remember those? Now the buzz word is "open border aka 'dark-skinned subhuman invasion'".

    The republicans had the opportunity to do something for their "border is wide open" concerns, yet they turned down a bi-partisan bill because they have no real concerns, and it’s an election year and they can’t afford to make democrats and Biden look good.

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    Since we just heard the "I have a black friend" argument we can all call it a day.
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    The republicans had the opportunity to do something for their "border is wide open" concerns, yet they turned down a bi-partisan bill because they have no real concerns, and it’s an election year and they can’t afford to make democrats and Biden look good.
    You may want to update your talking points. The Biden Admin has moved on from “there is no crisis” to “it’s all Trump’s fault.”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...4/72399226007/

    Team Biden has lurched to the right on immigration after polling showed voters favored Trump over our vegetable in chief to handle immigration, and blue city mayors seethe over having to deal with a tiny fraction of what border states confront daily. But the legislation marketed as a “border security bill” includes billions in funding for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, not to mention funding for sanctuary cities that expect to be subsidized for their own idiotic policies. The bill formally allows thousands of illegal immigrants to enter the US daily and expands amnesty, work authorization and other protections for illegal immigrants.

    It’s no wonder the House declared such lunacy “dead on arrival,” providing Biden with the opportunity he needs to shift the blame for the border crisis and justify his complacency. That’s why what Texas has accomplished since seizing control of small sections of the border from the feds is so important, not only for actual border security but also to expose the Administration’s lies. The Biden Admin doesn’t need new legislation to do its job. It’s a rhetorical ploy to blame the consequences of Biden’s willful mismanagement of the border on Republicans in an election year where immigration is a top concern for voters.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    I can see why the republicans would reject a bill including protection for Ukraine and Taiwan. Don't want to upset their masters in Moscow and Beijing.

    The thing is, none of what you are saying is new. Look up some of the anti-Irish, anti-Italian, and anti-Jewish immigrant screeds from the 19th century and you'll find they say the same things more or less.

    -They are agents of a foreign power come to destroy us.

    -The evil opposition party is shipping them here to poison our pure white society/defile our daughters.

    -They can never be real Americans.

    -Their primitive alien culture will infect our pure society.

    -They poison our nation's blood.

    -They mean us harm, and we need to get them before they get us.

    -We need to stop them from coming, drive them out, and kill them if possible.

    Groups like the republicans only have getting the in-group to hate and fear the out-group as an avenue to gaining power, and can only hold onto that power by keeping that fear and hatred going, switching to a new out-group once the old one is no longer available. So ask yourself this; once all the Hispanics have been driven out or killed off or imprisoned in forced labor camps, how long do you think it will be until the right decides that you are "poisoning the blood of America"? Or do you assume your loyal service to the party will save you?

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    the liberal establishment ... their endemic antisemitism and jihadist sympathies
    That's funny, considering the fact that antisemitic violence and Holocaust denial are a threat to liberal society today.
    Btw, UN urged to reject antisemitism definition over 'misuse to shield Israel
    More than 100 Israeli and international civil society groups warn IHRA definition could curb work of UN bodies...
    “The example on ‘applying double standards’ opens the door to labeling as antisemitic anyone who focuses on Israeli abuses as long as worse abuses are deemed to be occurring elsewhere,” the letter said.

    “By that logic, a person dedicated to defending the rights of Tibetans could be accused of anti-Chinese racism, or a group dedicated to promoting democracy and minority rights in Saudi Arabia could be accused of Islamophobia.”
    Interview with Deborah Lipstad, New Yorker,
    Say that a person said, “Look, I want Jews to be part of the State of Israel, but I think Israel should extend the vote to people in the West Bank and Gaza, and together they should form a democratic state.” I don’t know if that’s the right idea or the wrong idea, but I don’t think that it should be considered anti-Semitic, or that it’s necessarily anti-Semitic in effect.

    No, I agree with you. That’s why I think the continued holding of the West Bank is problematic, because if you’re going to have a democratic state then you can’t have a whole population within that state who are not full-fledged citizens and don’t have the right to vote. It’s a time bomb.

    You can criticize Israeli policies. I often say, “If you want to read criticism of Israeli policies, just start your day by going to Haaretz.com—you’ll read criticism of Israeli policies from A to Z.”
    That’s not anti-Semitism. And I do think there are many Jews—particularly living outside of Israel, but also many in Israel—who mix that up and who, as soon as someone criticizes those policies, tend to fall back on “That’s anti-Semitism.” I think that’s dangerous, because it diminishes real anti-Semitism
    Last edited by Ludicus; February 13, 2024 at 08:43 AM.
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