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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    The second opinion of yours states that Trump increased US military obligations. You clearly have a reading comprehension problem here. I was talking about foreign wars. US combat deaths decreased during Trump's presidency:
    Combat deaths decreasing means nothing. That's just due to Afghanistan winding down. It's not going to change the fact Trump increased US military expansion during his term. Such as strikes against Iran or the US deployment if troops to Saudi Arabia. Trump did nothing to stop the so called endless wars.

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    Trump's foreign policy was an improvement over those of his recent predecessors - although given how disastrous the policies of Bush and Obama were, that was not difficult. Under reasonable circumstances, it shouldn't be considered an accomplishment for a president not to involve the country in any new conflicts, but Trump was the first CinC since Carter not to do so.



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    Trump's foreign policy was an improvement over those of his recent predecessors - although given how disastrous the policies of Bush and Obama were, that was not difficult. Under reasonable circumstances, it shouldn't be considered an accomplishment for a president not to involve the country in any new conflicts, but Trump was the first CinC since Carter not to do so.
    Not for lack of trying.

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    Not for lack of trying.
    Trump had both motive and opportunity to embroil the US in direct conflict against Iran but didn't. His refusal to follow Bolton's advice to launch strikes against Iran proper is an indication that he had no intention of triggering an open war.

    The neutralization of Qasem Soleimani - which is typically cited as evidence of Trump's alleged warmongering - was a proportional and effective response to repeated provocations. It never posed any serious risk of sparking a conflict with an Iranian regime which lacked (and still lacks) any ability to directly confront the US outside of its own borders. Nor did it risk creating the sort of conditions in Iran which we've seen in Syria, Libya, and the Ukraine.



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    Combat deaths decreasing means nothing.
    ^ This is the perspective of a left-wing democrat who has never worn a uniform or faced the prospect of going into battle.

    When Obama left office ISIS was expanding into a "caliphate" and his administration didn't think there was anything that could be done about it...Trump came into office and ISIS was effectively destroyed with very few casualties and it was a big series of battles. It shows what can be done when the rules of engagement are changed to "destroy the enemy" instead of "don't shoot unless they shoot at you first".

    Trump's accomplishments in the middle east were incredible and proved that everything his predecessors said were impossible were actually possible...and he did it with very few American casualties. The alliances between Israel and Muslim countries in that region are a direct result of his policies. Biden is trying to reset the game and turn back to the failed policies of the past. That's a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Trump had both motive and opportunity to embroil the US in direct conflict against Iran but didn't. His refusal to follow Bolton's advice to launch strikes against Iran proper is an indication that he had no intention of triggering an open war.
    We've been over this already. It was not Bolton who suggested to strike Iran after the downing of the American drone. And Trump himself ordered strikes on an Iranian general that nearly led to war itself.

    The neutralization of Qasem Soleimani - which is typically cited as evidence of Trump's alleged warmongering - was a proportional and effective response to repeated provocations.
    Having justification doesn't mean Trump wasn't trying to start a conflict.
    It never posed any serious risk of sparking a conflict with an Iranian regime which lacked (and still lacks) any ability to directly confront the US outside of its own borders.
    The Iranians have a missile arsenal more than capable enough of targeting US forces outside its borders and proxy forces capable of attacking US forces on the ground. The Iranian missile attack could have killed American soldiers which would have escalated it further.


    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    ^ This is the perspective of a left-wing democrat who has never worn a uniform or faced the prospect of going into battle.
    You sound like the politicians who ran the Vietnam War. War is more than body-count and deaths. Trump expanded US military prescense and that's a fact.

    When Obama left office ISIS was expanding into a "caliphate" and his administration didn't think there was anything that could be done about it...Trump came into office and ISIS was effectively destroyed with very few casualties and it was a big series of battles.
    That's an outright lie.

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article...us-policy-isis

    State – also known as ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh – after the group seized large swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria in mid-2014. A dozen nations have been involved in airstrikes, although the United States has carried out more than seventy percent. The number of airstrikes increased throughout 2015, helping local forces regain control of strategic areas: In Syria, a Kurdish militia retook Kobani. In Iraq, Iraqi and Kurdish forces recaptured Ramadi, Sinjar, Baiji, and Tikrit. In 2016, the U.S. coalition increasingly targeted the areas around Raqqa, the ISIS capital in Syria, and Mosul, its stronghold in Iraq. By April 2016, the coalition had conducted more than 11,000 airstrikes, forcing ISIS to retreat from 40 percent of its territory in Iraq and 10 percent of its territory in Syria.
    It shows what can be done when the rules of engagement are changed to "destroy the enemy" instead of "don't shoot unless they shoot at you first".
    Also led to.more civilians dying but them right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    We've been over this already. It was not Bolton who suggested to strike Iran after the downing of the American drone. And Trump himself ordered strikes on an Iranian general that nearly led to war itself.
    Bolton was Trump's national security advisor; he pushed the president toward launching strikes against Iran proper, and, by his own admission, was livid when Trump refused. A president actively trying to start a conflict (a claim you are yet to evidence) would have pounced on an opportunity to strike sovereign Iranian territory, not shied away from it.

    Having justification doesn't mean Trump wasn't trying to start a conflict.
    The strike was both justified and proportional. I have seen no evidence that Trump saw it as a stepping stone toward regime change by military intervention or even that he viewed such an outcome as desirable (he repeatedly stated otherwise). By the same token, I do not view Biden's strike against Iranian-backed militias as part of a plot to bring the US into direct conflict with Iran.

    The Iranians have a missile arsenal more than capable enough of targeting US forces outside its borders and proxy forces capable of attacking US forces on the ground. The Iranian missile attack could have killed American soldiers which would have escalated it further.
    Iran has no interest in escalating tensions with the US to the point of open war; in a direct conflict, the regime would almost certainly be destroyed. Tehran's deliberately tepid military response to the Soleimani killing (which was designed solely to save face) is evidence of that. In the event of conventional war with Iran, the risk to the US is not the regime; it's what comes after.



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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    When Obama left office ISIS was expanding into a "caliphate" and his administration didn't think there was anything that could be done about it...
    When Obama left office, ISIS was at its last leg, embroiled already in a battle of survival with the Syrian army. Obama's generals finished the job as Trump was still warming his chair and changing national security advisers and Secretaries of Defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Trump's accomplishments in the middle east were incredible and proved that everything his predecessors said were impossible were actually possible...and he did it with very few American casualties. The alliances between Israel and Muslim countries in that region are a direct result of his policies. Biden is trying to reset the game and turn back to the failed policies of the past. That's a fact.
    I partially agree here. Indeed, Trump accomplished a lot in Middle East and I doubt Biden would be able to capitalize on Trump's gains. For all his faults (and there are many), Trump was very good for the Middle East, one way or another. Trump-haters will disagree or put the laurels on someone else, but Trump performed very well in Middle East.
    As for Suleimani, so far, the results seem to vindicate Trump's controversial decision. Things are better for USA and USA's allies because that powerful and effective general and not citizen was killed. However, such things have a long shelf life. We will see in 10 years whether it was indeed a good decision or not.


    I am not impressed so far with Bidet's performance on the world stage. Frankly, I think he plans to focus on his own country and do what can be done to reduce divisions and then leave it for the next president whomever may that be. It seems Biden's foreign policy at the time is "Democratic autopilot. We have our own poop to deal with it."
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    It needs some work IMO but following these rules (roll 1d10, no rerolls, if there's a choice make it before rolling the next step) here what I got:
    - Joe Biden and the Deep State are using Dominion Voting Machines to Steal the election <=== I assure you, I rolled that and it's the first such roll I made in this thread!

    Here's one more:
    - George Soros and People who think Covid is real are using Fake news to Deny me the sex women owe me. <=== While on its face this sounds a bit nonsensical, if you sell it as "the Covid Scare by Fake news and Soros results in less sex for me!" you would get people to agree with you.
    Its spooky he nailed it. Maybe he's actually a Breitbart insider dropping the dime on how Bannon the Hutt actually generates Fake News...
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    Glorious Savior Biden keeps more immigrant children in concentration camps than Nazi Fascist Trump:

    "The magnitude of the crisis facing President Biden at the U.S.-Mexico border came into clearer focus Wednesday as the new administration was holding record numbers of unaccompanied migrant teens and children in detention cells for far longer than legally allowed and federal health officials fell further behind in their race to find space for them in shelters."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...4ef_story.html

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    That’s enough discussion of American interventionism under Trump and Obama. Further posts on a topic other than Biden’s first 100 days as President will be acted upon.
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    Xiden gives 25 minute speech bragging about how much his administration has accomplished with the Trump vaccines.

    Aside from that, it occurred to me that Xiden might be trying to win over some Trump supporters by adopting the "orange man" look.

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    So, Biden puts money in the US citizens' pockets instead of wasting it on wars. Well done.Under Biden and Romney Stimulus Plans, An Approach to ...

    Biden's COVID Plan Is Just a Beginning - Scientific American
    I welcome the Biden-Harris team’s new strategy, prioritizing science, data and public health at last.
    The US is finally emerging from Trump's dark ages.
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    So, Biden puts money in the US citizens' pockets instead of wasting it on wars. Well done.Under Biden and Romney Stimulus Plans, An Approach to ...

    Biden's COVID Plan Is Just a Beginning - Scientific American


    The US is finally emerging from Trump's dark ages.
    Trump wanted to give Americans $2,000 checks in December. Now Xiden and the Dems are giving us $1400.00. Wow! So where's all that money going?...to big corporations, bail-out money for left wing states and cities who couldn't run their governments, and other left-wing causes (the DNC).:

    https://digg.com/2020/2-trillion-sti...ere-money-goes

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    Turns out Americans actually like competent government

    President Joe Biden is riding high on a public job approval rating his predecessor could only dream of as Americans are giving the 46th Commander-in-Chief high marks based clearly on his handling of the COVID-19 crisis. In new polling from Ipsos, Biden enjoys a 58 percent approval rating among registered voters, including 56 percent of independents — a critical voting bloc that helped deliver him the presidency. At the highest point in his tenure, former President Donald Trump had just a 49 percent approval rating — back in January 2020, on the heels of his first impeachment acquittal in the senate.
    Last month, Trump’s former chief pollster Tony Fabrizio released a 27-page, post-mortem campaign report that laid most of the blame for the incumbent president’s loss on his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. From Politico’s coverage of the report, “The autopsy says that coronavirus registered as the top issue among voters, and that Biden won those voters by a nearly 3-to-1 margin. A majority registered disapproval of Trump’s handling of the virus.”
    There is no question that the 2020 election outcome was based predominately on the COVID-19 crisis and then-candidate Biden’s assurances that he would defeat the virus early in his administration. In his Inaugural Address, the president spoke of the coronavirus crisis through the lens of unity and shared sacrifice: “My fellow Americans, in the work ahead of us, we will need each other. We will need all our strength to persevere through this dark winter. We are entering what may well be the toughest and deadliest period of the virus. We must set aside the politics and finally face this pandemic as one nation.”
    Just over 50 days have passed since the president spoke of that “dark winter,” yet there has been a marked improvement in Americans’ views on the COVID-19 crisis. New polling from Morning Consult track a clear jump in public sentiment around the vaccine: “Two and a half months into the country’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout, the public’s opinion of the effort has improved markedly — though they still want it to go faster… 57 percent of adults said they think the vaccine rollout has been effective, up from 39 percent in early January.”
    With final passage and signing of the American Rescue Plan this week — the sweeping $1.9 trillion package that has a remarkable level of public approval — Biden is riding a wave of public support specifically based on his response to the COVID-19 crisis. From ABC News: “More than two-thirds of Americans (68 percent) approve of Biden's approach to the pandemic — a consistent result since he took office in January. At a moment of deep political polarization, his steady approval is also reinforced by positive marks from 35 percent of Republicans, 67 percent of independents and an overwhelming 98 percent of Democrats in the poll.”
    Similarly, for the first time in Gallup’s tracking of the COVID-19 pandemic, 60 percent of Americans believe the coronavirus situation is getting better — a record-high level of positive sentiment, which “likely reflects the steep decline in new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. in late January and early February.”
    Covid didn’t make Trump look bad, Trump did that by himself. Trump failed at leading a response to the pandemic because, as in all things, he wasn’t able to understand it wasn’t solely about himself and his image. He never understood that it was about life and death for the people he was supposed to protect. Instead he tried to downplay it, and when that failed he flailed wildly and blamed everyone else for his weakness and lack of leadership.

    On the other hand Biden embraced the challenge, meeting it head first-no blaming, no name calling, no rallies, no screaming, no me,me,me,me. That’s what a leader looks like.

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    Trump wanted to give Americans $2,000 checks in December. Now Xiden and the Dems are giving us $1400.00. Wow! So where's all that money going?...to big corporations, bail-out money for left wing states and cities who couldn't run their governments, and other left-wing causes (the DNC).:
    Well than now while Trump was president and his party controlled the senate maybe he should engaged in you know real politics and got his senate in line and offered a credible deal to the dems in the House. Of course the package you are discussing does much more than the checks so you shot is astray

    Xiden??? Really that is weak.

    Left wing states.? I am sorry I failed to notice any political color notice on the aid and Red states like Texas and I don't have water Mississippi are much larger hangers on to the federal tit than blue states.

    "Could not run their governments" Oh like Texas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Trump wanted to give Americans $2,000 checks in December. Now Xiden and the Dems are giving us $1400.00. Wow! So where's all that money going?...to big corporations, bail-out money for left wing states and cities who couldn't run their governments, and other left-wing causes (the DNC).:

    https://digg.com/2020/2-trillion-sti...ere-money-goes
    The infographic in that link outlines where the money in the Cares Act, signed by Trump, went. Did you actually end up criticizing Trump in a bad attempt to criticize Biden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    The infographic in that link outlines where the money in the Cares Act, signed by Trump, went. Did you actually end up criticizing Trump in a bad attempt to criticize Biden?

    Ooops...pulled the wrong link out of the folder. Here you go:

    https://appropriations.house.gov/sit...Provisions.pdf

    Of course, the thing of most concern is just who is going to be in charge of the money dispersal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Ooops...pulled the wrong link out of the folder. Here you go:
    https://appropriations.house.gov/sit...Provisions.pdf
    Of course, the thing of most concern is just who is going to be in charge of the money dispersal.
    That's a really bad way of backtracking. Way too obvious... One thing to note about this new package is that it expands tax credits for tax filers especially for those with children.
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    Now the Great Leader Biden does not let the children he keeps in concentration camps shower and refuses to let lawyers have access:

    Hundreds of immigrant children and teenagers have been detained at a Border Patrol tent facility in packed conditions, with some sleeping on the floor because there aren’t enough mats, according to nonprofit lawyers who conduct oversight of immigrant detention centers.
    ...
    Despite concerns about the coronavirus, the children are kept so closely together that they can touch the person next to them, the lawyers said. Some have to wait five days or more to shower, and there isn’t always soap available, just shampoo, according to the lawyers.
    President Joe Biden’s administration denied the lawyers access to the tent facility

    https://apnews.com/article/immigrati...71f2e29?fbclid

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