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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Xiden announces a return to Trump's border policies...unless he's lying again:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...countries.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Biden just announced he is reverting to Trump's policies, which actually worked at deterring mass, unfettered illegal immigration. Are you going to acknowledge this or just continue your weak, coping troll posts?
    The question:

    Why do you think the message to the migrants, telling them to stay home, don't come now, why do you think that hasn't resonated yet? What more can be done, sir?
    Biden's answer:

    A lot more. We're in the process of doing it now, including making sure that we re-establish what existed before, which was they can stay in place and make their case from their home countries,"
    By "re-establishing what existed before", he's probably referring to policies that were in place before Trump, i.e. various refugee and family reunification programs. These programs allowed Central Americans to apply for immigration from their home countries without having to make the trip to America. Since these programs were shut down by Trump, you can't really describe them as Trump policies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centra...Minors_Program

    The Central American Minors Program was an American immigration policy established by the Obama administration on November 2014. The program allowed lawfully present parents in the United States the opportunity to request a refugee or parole status for their children residing in the Northern Triangle: El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.[1]

    After Donald Trump became president, he moved to terminate the program. Trump's Executive Order 13769 halted the entry of refugees, including Central American Minors Program participants, for 120 days.[15] The Trump administration formally terminated the program in August 2017.[16][17][18] The parole portion of the program was terminated that month; new applications for the refugee portion of the program were no longer accepted on November 9, 2017.[19]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    The hysterectomy whistleblower:
    "In an interview with The Intercept on Tuesday, Wooten estimated that more than 20 women had undergone hysterectomies in the last six years."
    https://theintercept.com/2020/09/15/...whistleblower/

    Last I checked, 2020 - 6 = 2014
    Hmm... Lets use addict logic, if Biden is not responsible because the conditions were put in place by Trump. Then, since the hysterectomies were started under Obama/Biden, Obama/Biden are responsible for them...


    In the event, A couple of 'Fact Checks' on this:
    https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...gration-centre

    https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/18...nt-ok-surgery/
    Putting Fact Checks in scare quotes doesn't help your case, which I'm struggling to understand. Is you argument "Black Man bad", or twenty forced hysterectomies (that we know of) for clearly racist reasons is fine as long as the victims are Hispanic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    By "re-establishing what existed before", he's probably referring to policies that were in place before Trump, i.e. various refugee and family reunification programs. These programs allowed Central Americans to apply for immigration from their home countries without having to make the trip to America. Since these programs were shut down by Trump, you can't really describe them as Trump policies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centra...Minors_Program
    Except it hasn't. Biden has explicitly reverted to Trump era policies of applying for a court date and remaining in Mexico. So not only are you wrong, but sleepy Joe's explicit embrace of Trump's border policies leaves you to be completely and irrefutably embarrassed. You're completely wrong and disgraced and this isn't coming from me, this isn't coming from Trump, this is coming from the neoliberal shills you've pledged allegiance too. How embarassing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Except it hasn't. Biden has explicitly reverted to Trump era policies of applying for a court date and remaining in Mexico. So not only are you wrong, but sleepy Joe's explicit embrace of Trump's border policies leaves you to be completely and irrefutably embarrassed. You're completely wrong and disgraced and this isn't coming from me, this isn't coming from Trump, this is coming from the neoliberal shills you've pledged allegiance too. How embarassing...
    ^ Exactly! +rep

    Xiden has put Harris in charge of the border crisis he caused saying he couldn't think of anyone better. Actually there is someone better. His name is Donald Trump.

    In other news, Xiden's press secretary says she doesn't know anything about the secret payment the Russians made to Xiden's son Hunter, who is also known as Pipedream--for obvious reasons.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...a-transaction/

    The FBI and DOJ don't seem to think it is a problem; of course, they're still trying to find a problem with Trump's taxes after five years of searching. This makes Trump the most audited man in the history of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus View Post
    Biden has explicitly reverted to Trump era policies of applying for a court date and remaining in Mexico.
    In the interview BW posted, Biden was talking about letting migrants apply for asylum from their home countries, not in Mexico. What you're describing sounds more like the 'Migrant Protection Protocols' (aka the 'Remain in Mexico' program), which Biden terminated. I haven't heard anywhere that he's reinstating the program. I'd need to see a source for that.
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    "For the past four presidential administrations, I have accompanied U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents and photographed their encounters with migrants as they enforced immigration policy. No longer. Last week, when I documented migrant detentions in El Paso, I had to do so from the Mexican side of the border, taking long-range shots. Until now, journalists haven’t had to stand in another country to cover what is happening in the United States.


    Most asylum seekers cross the Rio Grande into South Texas on land controlled by federal agents. For decades, the U.S. government has let journalists accompany Border Patrol agents and other officials as they surveil the land. But since the change in administration, those agents have been physically blocking journalists from the riverbank. For example, after being turned down for official access on a trip in February, I followed a Border Patrol transport bus in my own vehicle to where agents were detaining migrants. They stopped me before I got close enough to take pictures. They called a supervisor, and ordered me to leave immediately.


    We have gone from the Trump-era “zero tolerance” policy toward immigrants to a Biden-era “zero access” policy for journalists covering immigration. This development is unprecedented in modern history."


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ties-migrants/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    "For the past four presidential administrations, I have accompanied U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents and photographed their encounters with migrants as they enforced immigration policy. No longer. Last week, when I documented migrant detentions in El Paso, I had to do so from the Mexican side of the border, taking long-range shots. Until now, journalists haven’t had to stand in another country to cover what is happening in the United States.


    Most asylum seekers cross the Rio Grande into South Texas on land controlled by federal agents. For decades, the U.S. government has let journalists accompany Border Patrol agents and other officials as they surveil the land. But since the change in administration, those agents have been physically blocking journalists from the riverbank. For example, after being turned down for official access on a trip in February, I followed a Border Patrol transport bus in my own vehicle to where agents were detaining migrants. They stopped me before I got close enough to take pictures. They called a supervisor, and ordered me to leave immediately.


    We have gone from the Trump-era “zero tolerance” policy toward immigrants to a Biden-era “zero access” policy for journalists covering immigration. This development is unprecedented in modern history."


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...ties-migrants/
    So much for "total transparency". Not even the WaPo can put a positive spin on this. I live in Texas and reports are leaking out that detention centers are at 800% capacity.

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    If it would be of interest, here (at long last) is President Biden's first press conference held earlier this day:


    "You know… the thing" - President Joseph R. Biden, Jr., vaguely alluding to the Declaration of Independence


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    Video has emerged showing Barack Obama defending the filibuster in 2005 prior to describing it as a "Jim Crow relic" as the issue on the practice was brought up in President Joe Biden's first press conference.

    Obama's viewpoint on the filibuster, which allows senators to speak for as long as they wish unless three-fifths of the body vote to move on, later changed. In July 2020, Obama gave a eulogy for the late civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis in which he suggested the practice should be scrapped.

    "And if all this takes eliminating the filibuster, another Jim Crow relic, in order to secure the God-given rights of every American, then that's what we should do," he said.

    https://www.newsweek.com/barack-obam...-2005-1578985?
    "I think it may be one of the most important speeches for historical purposes that I will have given in the 32 years since I have been in the Senate," Biden said at the time. "At its core, the filibuster is not about stopping a nominee or a bill -- it's about compromise and moderation," he explained.

    If he now believes the filibuster is inherently racist, or is being "abused," does he also believe he was previously defending a racist congressional tool? Does he think Democrats who have taken advantage of the filibuster tactic have been engaging in racist or abusive activity since 2014, when Republicans won back the majority in the Senate? Does he think it was racist or abusive for Democrats to filibuster a bill on police reform from South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, a Black Republican in the Senate, last year?

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/opini...ngs/index.html
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    Reminds me of the New York Times:

    Time to Retire the Filibuster
    The New York Times | Editorial
    January 1, 1995
    (Filibuster bad because Republicans use it)
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    The U.S. Senate likes to call itself the world’s greatest deliberative body. The greatest obstructive body is more like it. In the last session of Congress, the Republican minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him.
    For years Senate filibusters — when they weren’t conjuring up romantic images of Jimmy Stewart as Mr. Smith, passing out from exhaustion on the Senate floor
    — consisted mainly of negative feats of endurance. Senator Sam Ervin once spoke for 22 hours straight. Outrage over these tactics and their ability to bring Senate business to a halt led to the current so-called two-track system, whereby a senator can hold up one piece of legislation while other business goes on as usual.
    The two-track system has been nearly as obstructive as the old rules. Under those rules, if the Senate could not muster the 60 votes necessary to end debate and bring a bill to a vote, someone had to be willing to continue the debate, in person, on the floor. That is no longer required. Even if the 60 votes are not achieved, debate stops and the Senate proceeds with other business. The measure is simply put on hold until the next cloture vote. In this way a bill can be stymied at any number of points along its legislative journey.
    One unpleasant and unforeseen consequence has been to make the filibuster easy to invoke and painless to pursue. Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate convictions, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, dooming any measure that cannot command the 60 required votes.
    Mr. Harkin, along with Senator Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut Democrat, now proposes to make such obstruction harder. Mr. Harkin says reasonably that there must come a point in the process where the majority rules. This may not sit well with some of his Democratic colleagues. They are now perfectly positioned to exact revenge by frustrating the Republican agenda as efficiently as Republicans frustrated Democrats in 1994.
    Admirably, Mr. Harkin says he does not want to do that. He proposes to change the rules so that if a vote for cloture fails to attract the necessary 60 votes, the number of votes needed to close off debate would be reduced by three in each subsequent vote. By the time the measure came to a fourth vote
    — with votes occurring no more frequently than every second day — cloture could be invoked with only a simple majority. Under the Harkin plan, minority members who feel passionately about a given measure could still hold it up, but not indefinitely.
    Another set of reforms, more incremental but also useful, is proposed by George Mitchell, who is retiring as the Democratic majority leader. He wants to eat away at some of the more annoying kinds of brakes that can be applied to a measure along its legislative journey.
    One example is the procedure for sending a measure to a conference committee with the House. Under current rules, unless the Senate consents unanimously to send a measure to conference, three separate motions can be required to move it along. This gives one senator the power to hold up a measure almost indefinitely. Mr. Mitchell would like to reduce the number of motions to one.
    He would also like to limit the debate on a motion to two hours and count the time consumed by quorum calls against the debate time of a senator, thus encouraging senators to save their time for debating the substance of a measure rather than in obstruction. All of his suggestions seem reasonable, but his reforms would leave the filibuster essentially intact.
    The Harkin plan, along with some of Mr. Mitchell’s proposals, would go a long way toward making the Senate a more productive place to conduct the nation’s business. Republicans surely dread the kind of obstructionism they themselves practiced during the last Congress. Now is the perfect moment for them to unite with like-minded Democrats to get rid of an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.


    The Senate on the Brink
    The New York Times | Editorial
    Sunday 06 March 2005
    (Filibuster good because Democrats use it)
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    The White House's insistence on choosing only far-right judicial nominees has already damaged the federal courts. Now it threatens to do grave harm to the Senate. If Republicans fulfill their threat to overturn the historic role of the filibuster in order to ram the Bush administration's nominees through, they will be inviting all-out warfare and perhaps an effective shutdown of Congress. The Republicans are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win confirmation of the White House's judicial nominees. This flies in the face of Senate history. Republicans and Democrats should tone down their rhetoric, then sit down and negotiate.President Bush likes to complain about the divisive atmosphere in Washington. But he has contributed to it mightily by choosing federal judges from the far right of the ideological spectrum. He started his second term with a particularly aggressive move: resubmitting seven nominees whom the Democrats blocked last year by filibuster.
    The Senate has confirmed the vast majority of President Bush's choices. But Democrats have rightly balked at a handful. One of the seven renominated judges is William Myers, a former lobbyist for the mining and ranching industries who demonstrated at his hearing last week that he is an antienvironmental extremist who lacks the evenhandedness necessary to be a federal judge. Another is Janice Rogers Brown, who has disparaged the New Deal as "our socialist revolution."
    To block the nominees, the Democrats' weapon of choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. Republican leaders now claim that judicial nominees are entitled to an up-or-down vote. This is rank hypocrisy. When the tables were turned, Republicans filibustered President Bill Clinton's choice for surgeon general, forcing him to choose another. And Bill Frist, the Senate majority leader, who now finds judicial filibusters so offensive, himself joined one against Richard Paez, a Clinton appeals court nominee.
    Yet these very same Republicans are threatening to have Vice President Dick Cheney rule from the chair that a simple majority can confirm a judicial nominee rather than the 60 votes necessary to stop a filibuster. This is known as the "nuclear option" because in all likelihood it would blow up the Senate's operations. The Senate does much of its work by unanimous consent, which keeps things moving along and prevents ordinary day-to-day business from drowning in procedural votes. But if Republicans change the filibuster rules, Democrats could respond by ignoring the tradition of unanimous consent and making it difficult if not impossible to get anything done. Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican who is chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has warned that "the Senate will be in turmoil and the Judiciary Committee will be hell."
    Despite his party's Senate majority, however, Mr. Frist may not have the votes to go nuclear. A sizable number of Republicans - including John McCain, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Lincoln Chafee and John Warner - could break away. For them, the value of confirming a few extreme nominees may be outweighed by the lasting damage to the Senate. Besides, majorities are temporary, and they may want to filibuster one day.
    There is one way to avert a showdown. The White House should meet with Senate leaders of both parties and come up with a list of nominees who will not be filibustered. This means that Mr. Bush - like Presidents Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush before him - would agree to submit nominees from the broad mainstream of legal thought, with a commitment to judging cases, not promoting a political agenda.
    The Bush administration likes to call itself "conservative," but there is nothing conservative about endangering one of the great institutions of American democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.


    (If I recall correctly, the Times changed its mind again just after Obama was elected)

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    Heh.

    It was that kind of talk that prompted me to make this thread...

    Of course it's not racist. It's a tool. A piece of artillery - it does not decide on the validity of it's target, it just fires a round when it's trigger pulled.

    Having grown up and lived most of my life in political environments without filibuster to any extent like that seen in the US - I can assure you that racist policy can and does become law, and can be repealed from law, without it.

    The coincidence of history has led to it's use by overt racists repeatedly. And it's dangerous to assume a tool is responsible for something it's not.

    That said, I'd really like to see it's use to be more difficult. I'd like it to last as long as a speaker can speak. I want to see Ted Cruz be forced to talk for a week. No drink break, no toilet break, no lunch. Just speaking. Could 50 GOP Senators hold the Senate in limbo for an entire session if they couldn't access their gin supply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
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    People change their minds. Crazy right? Filibuster is useless and the amount of times it's been used in just the last twenty years is evidence of that.

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    It isn't useless. It is an exceptionally powerful obfuscatory tool.

    It could however be argued that it is a tool that is designed to protect the status quo, which is why it has been used to defend racism so often. The status quo for much of US history being that of overt, legislated racism.
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    It isn't useless. It is an exceptionally powerful obfucatory tool.

    It could however be argued that it is a tool that is designed to protect the status quo, which is why it has been used to defend racism so often. The status quo for much of US history being that of overt, legislated racism.
    That bolded part alone is a great reason why it does need to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    That bolded part alone is a great reason why it does need to go.
    But there is vested interest in both sides of government as to why it should stay. Because over the long term, both sides can use it to stymie the other.

    I would agree that it's not the most democratic or efficient tool, and it hampers the ability of the US to respond effectively to changing situations. But whoever said the US government was efficient, or democratic?

    Although if it was to be altered (and brinkmanship rhetoric aside, I'm sceptical that it will be), it would be a good time to do it - the Senate being in a good place with regards to the rural/urban/left/right spread over the last few decades. Things would get done. But I imagine there might need to be a few more Supreme Court judges to handle their extra work load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    People change their minds. Crazy right? Filibuster is useless and the amount of times it's been used in just the last twenty years is evidence of that.
    Politicians and activists have a habit of changing their minds based on convenience rather than thoughtful analysis or consideration for the national interest. To the extent that the filibuster obstructs federal meddling, it is worth while.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Politicians and activists have a habit of changing their minds based on convenience rather than thoughtful analysis or consideration for the national interest. To the extent that the filibuster obstructs federal meddling, it is worth while.
    Like passing a budget? Nominating and confirming a Supreme Court judge? Cabinet nominations?

    Give me a break. The filibuster has been invoked more times in the last couple years than anytime in US history. It's just used to obstruct and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Like passing a budget? Nominating and confirming a Supreme Court judge? Cabinet nominations?

    Give me a break. The filibuster has been invoked more times in the last couple years than anytime in US history. It's just used to obstruct and nothing more.
    No, no and no. Reconciliation can be used to bypass the filibuster on budgetary issues (even if it only has limited uses); the Dem controlled Senate removed the use of the filibuster on all presidential nominees (except for SCOTUS) in 2013; and the GOP controlled Senate eliminated the use of the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees in 2017 (which simply lead to liberal demands to "pack the court").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Politicians and activists have a habit of changing their minds based on convenience rather than thoughtful analysis or consideration for the national interest. To the extent that the filibuster obstructs federal meddling, it is worth while.
    Yep. Harry Reid changed the rules on voting in judges and it didn't work out so well for Dems. Now they want to change the number of Supremes.

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    Both sides like to complain when the other side uses the rules to their advantage. It’s legal to add more judges to the Supreme Court. Last time it was done Republicans did it.

    The Constitution only names 1 judge and the JA of 1789 and repeated law since makes clear Congress determines the number of judges.

    End of story. The word packing is great spin. This is the party in power using the law to make legal moves. Like the Republicans did under Trump to “pack” the judiciary.

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