President Biden's first term in office

[PointOfViewGun]

From the original source:

Over 4,000 migrants, many kids, crowded into Texas facility

The Biden administration for the first time Tuesday allowed journalists inside its main border detention facility for migrant children, revealing a severely overcrowded tent structure where more than 4,000 people, including children and families, were crammed into a space intended for 250 and the youngest were kept in a large play pen with mats on the floor for sleeping.

With thousands of children and families arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border in recent weeks and packing facilities, President Joe Biden has been under pressure to bring more transparency to the process. U.S. Customs and Border Protection allowed two journalists from The Associated Press and a crew from CBS to tour the facility in Donna, Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley, the nation’s busiest corridor for illegal crossings.

More than 4,100 people were being housed on the property Tuesday. Most were unaccompanied children processed in tents before being taken to facilities run by the Department of Health and Human Services and then placed with a family member, relative or sponsor.

The children were being housed by the hundreds in eight “pods” formed by plastic dividers, each about 3,200 square feet (297 square meters) in size. Many of the pods had more than 500 children in them.

Oscar Escamilla, acting executive officer of the U.S. Border Patrol in the Rio Grande Valley, said 250 to 300 kids enter daily and far fewer leave.

The Biden administration has continued expelling adults who try to cross the border under a coronavirus-related public health declaration enacted by former President Donald Trump. Biden also has tried to expel most families traveling together, but changes in Mexican law have forced agents to release many parents and children into the U.S.

Biden has declined to resume the Trump-era practice of expelling unaccompanied immigrant children. Several hundred kids and teenagers are crossing the border daily, most fleeing violence, poverty or the effects of natural disasters in Central America. In some cases, parents refused entry into the U.S. have sent their children across the border alone, hoping they will be placed with relatives eventually.

The Border Patrol is apprehending far more children daily than Health and Human Services is placing with U.S. sponsors, leading to a severe backlog in the system. The Border Patrol generally is not supposed to detain children for more than three days, but Health and Human Services lacks space.

More than 2,000 kids have been at the Donna facility for more than 72 hours, including 39 for more than 15 days.

HHS is housing children at convention centers in Dallas and San Diego and is opening large-scale sites in San Antonio, El Paso and elsewhere.

[swabian]

It's ugly, but that is what migration pressure causes. A sovereign country should be able to define and hold her borders against illegal immigration.

It's gonna become much worse in the future and a degree of ruthlessness is required here.

If we listen to the bleeding hearts who become weak because of every coughing child at the borders, nobody gets anywhere.

Of course, those border incidents are also a ammunition for anti-western voices who will use it to vilify western countries. I don't think it's worth wasting time on. Haters gonna hate, there is no helping it.

[enoch]

Why should a sovereign country have any more right to certain land than anyone else? Aren’t nation states fairly modern constructs?

Do you think haters gonna hate/not worth wasting time on applies to other issues? Like let’s just dismiss all the racists and ignore their vileness because human rights are universal truths?

[Coughdrop addict]

It's ugly, but that is what migration pressure causes. A sovereign country should be able to define and hold her borders against illegal immigration.

It's gonna become much worse in the future and a degree of ruthlessness is required here.

If we listen to the bleeding hearts who become weak because of every coughing child at the borders, nobody gets anywhere.

Of course, those border incidents are also a ammunition for anti-western voices who will use it to vilify western countries. I don't think it's worth wasting time on. Haters gonna hate, there is no helping it.

The difference of course being that under Biden there isn't a knowing tolerance or deliberate policy of abusing these kids to appease racists.

Also let's all just stop pretending anyone on the right gives a damn about these kids beyond using them as a dig against Biden. No one on the right had any problem whatsoever with conditions at these facilities until a Democrat was in the White House.

[swabian]

I'm not heartless, without compassion or whatever you might be brewing up in your mind. But this is what is going to happen. It's gonna be awful. You better brace yourselves.

[enoch]

This isn’t Europe half a decade ago. The US has the land and the kind of economy that loves/needs the majority of the extralegal immigrants coming. Not only have we absorbed such groups throughout our history, we also have more land than we know how to destroy.

This is a blip. The narratives are invested in making it seem significant for all the reasons. Imaginings this is a real issue. Realer than the Wall because of the individual tragedies. If you think the US will be harmed instead of profit off these migrants you should take another look at US history.

Rugged Capitalism for the poor greasing Socialism for the rich. It’s our brand.

[swabian]

Not only have we absorbed such groups throughout our history, we also have more land than we know how to destroy.

Who am I to stand in the way of so much confidence and optimism. I can only wish good luck with that (and look away).

[enoch]

We are the sort of place where under the 4th least competent and most insidious demagogue leader in our history we threw so much money at a problem we beat all the expert predictions everywhere to pandemic killer vaccines in months not years.

We got this. Really hope I am still on here when proved right. Always have loved an I told you so. Even better when I am the speaker.

[Gromovnik]

I'm not heartless, without compassion or whatever...

Well, I guess we could use some other term if you prefer it that way.

[Gromovnik]

The difference of course being that under Biden there isn't a knowing tolerance or deliberate policy of abusing these kids to appease racists.

Now who's being naive Kay?

[swabian]

Well, I guess we could use some other term if you prefer it that way.

Yeah, I get it.

[Lifthrasir]

Please, stay on topic Gents. Thank you.

[The Noble Lord]

Horrible first 100 days, he's displaying full and comprehensively how incompetent he is.

[enoch]

Horrible first 100 days, he's displaying full and comprehensively how incompetent he is.

Seriously, Trumps vaccine rollout was so much better.

S&P broke 4K Thursday. Numbers for the recovery looking tits. American power back on the rise globally.

Border and the whole caring about the human rights of vulnerable citizens which I am sure you are down on, elaborate on your statement. Unless it’s just noise. Than no worries. Consider having someone submit it to PotF contest. This sort of post is popular there.

[Knight of Heaven]

US mistreatment of illegal migrants in one form or another is something that dates back to the Bush Era, continued within Obama era, and Trump era. and still continues with Biden admin.

Why should a sovereign country have any more right to certain land than anyone else? Aren’t nation states fairly modern constructs?

It is what sovereignty means. It has the right , because it earned that right in the name of the people who live there. Nation states as a concept might be fairly modern, but there is nothing modern about a nations borders.

Tribes always existed and so did a measure of border for the tribe since it stopped being nomad, and settled land in order to work it. In that sense borders are pretty much ancient.

[enoch]

US mistreatment of illegal migrants in one form or another is something that dates back to the Bush Era, continued within Obama era, and Trump era. and still continues with Biden admin.




It is what sovereignty means. It has the right , because it earned that right in the name of the people who live there. Nation states as a concept might be fairly modern, but there is nothing modern about a nations borders.

Tribes always existed and so did a measure of border for the tribe since it stopped being nomad, and settled land in order to work it. In that sense borders are pretty much ancient.

Borders have ever been a fluid form of make believe. How did they Earn the right? Use the people living in Israel today as an example. Explain how they earned it. If you are able.

[alhoon]

Borders have ever been a fluid form of make believe. How did they Earn the right? Use the people living in Israel today as an example. Explain how they earned it. If you are able.

By killing the other people that lived there and having the arms and allies to defend that claim. And trying to make sure the other side will not get the arms and allies to seriously challenge that claim.
Whether you agree with it or not, that's how it worked and how it works today.

[enoch]

Plus the Bible says it’s theirs by God’s will. Basics can explain if need be.

[alhoon]

Plus the Bible says it’s theirs by God’s will. Basics can explain if need be.

The Bible doesn't mean it that way, it is symbolical and if they didn't have the firepower and allies (i.e. the might) they would not be there whatever meaning they gave to the Bible and most important than all: No! Please no! Not Basics.

[sumskilz]

Plus the Bible says it’s theirs by God’s will. Basics can explain if need be.

Political Zionism was an athiest socialist movement with goals largely seen as heretical by Orthodox Jews until after the Holocaust. Religious Zionism was almost non-existent until after 1973, at which point Israel already controlled all the land it does today (and more). But you're getting off-topic.

It's sufficient to say that sovereign nations can control their borders as much as they like, no justification is necessary. It's just that in the US, there is significant disagreement among the population about how much control of the border is appropriate or desirable.