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    Default Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Hey everybody. I thought of this challenge a few years ago but I've since then, modified it. In this challenge, you are required to use Wardogs and Mercenaries wherever applicable to save Roman lives. Since Wardogs and Generals Units regenerate, they are considered units that cannot die unless their human counterparts or main units are killed.


    In terms of saving Roman lives, you must record your battles, record your after battle reports and tally up at the end of the campaign, your total lost lives non regenerating units inclusive (these units regenerate, but the dogs and people still die.)


    Tally how many dogs in your campaign have died as well as how many people.


    When you complete the campaign, write up an AAR and post it on twcenter.net.


    TLDR REQUIREMENTS:
    -Use Wardogs for the majority of your fights whenever you can
    -Use general units to minimize killing innocent Romans
    -Use mercenaries wherever applicable to minimize killing innocent Romans and you must use these units first with the dogs unless you might otherwise lose the battle.
    -Army compositions must consist of at least 2-4 units of wardogs but can be all wardogs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-J...l=JohnLasheras
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    Here are the battle statistics tallies:



    Battle 1
    Deaths: 25 People
    Cumulative Deaths: 25 People
    Dog Deaths:N/A


    Battle 2
    Deaths: 30 People
    Cumulative Deaths: 55 People
    Dog Deaths: N/A


    Battle 3
    Deaths: 9 People
    Cumulative Deaths:64 People
    Dog Deaths: 24


    Battle 4
    Deaths: 103 People
    Cumulative Deaths: 167 People
    Dog Deaths:112 dogs

    Battle 5
    Deaths: 227 People
    Cumulative Deaths: 394 People
    Dog Deaths:N/A


    Battle 6
    Deaths: 14 People
    Cumulative Deaths: 408 People
    Dog Deaths:N/A


    Battle 7
    Deaths: 250 People
    Cumulative Deaths: 658 People
    Dog Deaths:160?
    Cumulative Dog Deaths:184?

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Sorry for my bad math here, the dog deaths should be 296 dog deaths. I was ing around with the calculator and putting in the wrong numbers.

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    EAR 264 BCE
    Consul, quite some years have passed since our initial conquests for the Republic of Rome in good health, in attempts at diplomacy, natural land rights and just territorial disputes with other foreign nations. Victoriously, we have stormed through the Alpines to Gaul, on the South Western Coasts and killed approximately seventy thousand of their men, retainers, envoys, supply trains and we have held their citizens at ransom for supplies. We have lost but few men, approximately totaling in three thousand four hundred and thirty men, and some seven thousand two hundred war dogs of the levies, rapidly reproducing, breeding and being called into conscriptive duty for war.
    The Gauls do not want to cooperate with us at all and have not wanted to cooperate, so as such, over the course of the last six years we have been steadily leveraging the forces under the influential command of the Julii as generals for Rome. The Brutii and Scipii families have been particularly sluggish, but because of their influential commands of their respective provinces of Italy, the Senate and People have delegated their military and civil authorities in a trifecta of alliances constituting the Republic.
    The Julii are the only known people in the world who have so far in history, managed to utilize dogs as a power for war. Surely, if a man cannot kill a dog, this man cannot kill the dog’s master, thereby bestowing mastery to the man with the dog. Who’s the man now, dog?
    Anno CCLXXIV BCE
    Consul armis parta componere satis fine temporum, annorumque initial nostra sit pro bonis Romae Reipublicae salutem in condicionibus temptata, quod iura naturalia terram alienam sicut territorii controversias apud alias gentes. Victores sumus per Alpini oppugnando Galliae oras occidentali parte australi occiderunt septuaginta milia fere militum calones legatos suos civium pretium impedimenta et sarcinas habui. Amisimus numerus virorum circiter quadringentorum triginta totalling tria millia, et mille ducentis septem canes dilectus raptim formandum educ officiis bellicis et conscripti vocati.
    Galli omnia nolunt nobiscum cooperatur noluistis collaborent ut tales essemus decursu constanter leveraging sex annis imperium copiis praepotens Julii Romani duces. Bruttiis et particulariter Scipii familiae segnes efficiamini verum propter praeceptum auctoritate prouincias Italiam militibus senatus populusque delegatus civilibus auctoritatibus Trifecta societatis constitutionem rei publicae.
    Et nota tantum sunt homines in mundo, qui Julii usque in historia, bene uti potentia quasi canes ad bellum. Nonne si quis autem non possunt occidere canis, canis huic non possunt occidere de domino, ita apud hominem ad magisterium, largitor admitte canis. Quis est homo modo canum?

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Year 270 Episode 1
    Hail, on the ides of the first of January, the kalends of victory, Rome started its Reptwublic as a weak, young and fragil nation.
    Under the House of Julii's honourable and currently living Flavius Julius yet to be titled for his victories.
    Our men have augured our victories and foretold our future. In our future, lay many precise victories and few, sharp, but crushing defeats.
    Rome rises, and Rome is victorious the augurs say, from the call of the howl of the dogs. Any dogs fit for war, the war dogs of Italy. The Senate and the other families agree, their use in war could save many lives along with the Barbarians we employ, the strategy, and tactics we use in our conquest.
    In the dew of bitterly cold morning, but one howl of a dog shrieked out and Flavius Julius was struck with a fantastic vision in his mind; A stern man, an old man, who looked quite like him, possibly a future son, evoking the words...
    "Cry havoc, and let loose the dogs of war."

    Annum CCLXX
    Ave, idibus Kalendas Ianuarii, in kalendis victoria, Romanis coepi Reptwublic ejus tamquam infirma, a puero usque ad fragil est.
    Domus ex decorum, et sub Julii est currently adhuc viventem Flavius ​​Iulius victoriarum suarum cui titulus est.
    Perridicule homines prospera nostra futura praenuntiavit. Nobis futura victoria certa ponendi plures accipient vel pauciores acutae et clades oppresserunt.
    Romam ortus est, et dixit quod augures dicerent Romae vicit de vocationem et canes ululantibus. Canes bellatores aliquod bellum Italiae canibus. Senatus familiae placet praeter usum belli secum multos barbaros uti et consilio, et in victoria belli utimur.
    In ros mane frigus et ostendens amaritudinem animi, sed unus canis ululantibus: exclamaverunt autem et Flavius ​​Iulius visionem phantasticam et percussit in mente; A saevus, nempe est senex, et vidi similis ei satis fieri de futuris filii agitarunt, pervestigationes incitantes verborum ...
    "Clama ingentem stragem dedit, profectus, immissis canibus ad belli."

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1






























































    Battle Number
    Human
    Dog
    Horse
    1
    18
    103
    17
    2
    82
    144
    27
    3
    95
    272
    49
    4
    13
    83
    15
    5
    61
    149
    66
    6
    31
    80
    0
    Cumulative Deaths since Episode 1
    958
    1127
    363



    Dominus, we have tallied up the deaths of our fellow countrymen, their horses and their dogs. We move to rest in our campaign against the Barbarians in total war with our companions in tow, our true dogs of war.

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    That's an interesting idea, to rely on wardogs, generals and mercenaries instead of Rome's usual roster. I wonder if you have any advice on building Roman armies based on these units - are there mercenary units which you find especially useful - and for tactics using these armies.

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Alwyn View Post
    That's an interesting idea, to rely on wardogs, generals and mercenaries instead of Rome's usual roster. I wonder if you have any advice on building Roman armies based on these units - are there mercenary units which you find especially useful - and for tactics using these armies.

    Hey Alwyn,

    It has been five and a half years since I've played Rome Total War and before that some three years prior and before that I think the last time I played was 2007. I've put thousands of hours into the game and I am really well versed in the glitches and observing the programming in a Markovian manner.

    This blitz run isn't turning out so well because of RNG and other factors, but my Roman armies because of the lack of money throughout the campaign conquering Barbarian settlements, are whatever I can muster with as many war dogs and generals units / barbarian cavalry I can get.

    The best mercenaries you can get for this strat are horse archers, horsemen, cretan archers, illyrian skirmishers, etc.

    I made some bad strategic mistakes but conquering the Barbarians was necessary, and it has immersed me into a deep civil war where I've conquered Rome but the Scipii and Brutii are being taken out piecemeal.

    You should watch the videos. I will do a full writeup for every video and tallying once the campaign is over.

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Hey everyone, I'm almost done. It's year 209 BC and I have five more regions to capture before I satisfy the victory conditions for long campaign on vh/vh.

    But, I will occasionally do one hour videos of me conquering the rest of the map in like 30 turns.

    I also though that YouTube chronologically and alphabetically ordered uploads so I had to spend about an hour and twenty minutes renaming and going through most of the un-uploaded video files to get them in the right sequential order, copy and paste, etc.

    Depending on when I finish the campaign, which should be by tomorrow or the day after, I will do an episode by episode AAR, an AAR for the victory conditions in the campaign and a final historical AAR.

    Maybe I'll have some random AARs here and there and a discussion about what I did in the campaign in the AAR commentary.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo2...1UgsBWT1jIfvFg

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    I am uploading the rest of the videos, but I will conquer the map relatively soon. In about 30-45 turns it should be done, probably faster. I won't play as often, but I still have to do the write ups for every episode.

    That is the write up for the last episode.

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    A bittersweet victory
    I freeman Ioannes Carnatius Ias Eras write this letter to you today, in the Summer of 206 BC, on the first day of July, Tusculum.
    The civil strife is not over, but we have won a bittersweet victory in official totality. A bitterly defiant Senate, allowed to live, except for the outlaws who had armed against the Julii, agreed with the Julii, their consuls, their generals, their tribunes, but most importantly, the people. For a period of three generations, the Julii foresaked the pleasure of exorbitant indulgence, beyond reasonability in a free Democratic Republic, now once again known as Rome, where as in juxtaposition the Scipii and Brutii feasted at the trough of the lives of innocent slaves, freemen, women and children.
    They raped, they tortured, they ravished, they indulged, they feasted, they perniciously defrauded the Peoples of Rome. The Julii, having been asked to kill one of the Republic’s leading generals, the father of the Julii family, but not formerly recognized as a patrician, nor an equestrian of much standing, Cnaeus Julii Victor, was adopted as a Plebian into the family as a function of civil servitude, military duty, honor and responsibility. As quick as the civil strife began, it ended de-facto.
    Shamefully, in disgrace, after having won three generations of civil war in the Balkans and the Peloponnese Peninsula where the lavaciously greedy Brutii hoarded their plunder and work of slaves, the Julii had lost many family members trying to end the war in peace and for the people.
    Cnaeus, after barely escaping death in the province of Carthage, cleverly constructed dastardly fortifications around the province and made his escape via sea, to Massillia, to further disable the Scipii, rendered useless as most of their forces were exploring for more treasure and slaves in the savannah of Africa.
    Although Cnaeus, having died in battle of poor decision making on his part, the battle for Massilia was saved by his compatriot general, of whom I had forgotten his name. Cnaeus, although resting peacefully in Rome, awaiting further tribunal glorification under the Auspices of Ceres Ulterior, Mars Ulterior, Jupiter Ulterior, Neptune Ulterior, and all of the Gods of Rome, in glory, in Elysium.
    Some say Cnaeus, suffering in his old age, bitter depression was under the use of many herbs and plants, perhaps causing his bodily control to be more loosened. He was probably plundered with drink as well, poor man. A hero of the Republic, Cnaeus, no more, and no less.
    After the taking of Massilia, the Scipii quickly moved on Carthage, but not without stiff resistance from the defenders in a heroic defense, as previously mentioned. The Scipii are now moving their forces towards Carthage, and presumably, by boat, to Rome, the Peloponnese and the Balkans.
    Although we have gained victory, the Brutii and Scipii are effectively outlaws, of no good meritage, no good skill, no good manpower, but of enough money to bribe, corrupt, plunder, extort and raid for only so long. Their forces remain scattered in the mountains of North Western Africa and the Deserts, and these soldiers are old men, from the early Republic.
    Although experienced, many of them, their sons, are aged, and lacking supplies, commanders, generals, a coherent government, and are now seeing, with bad foresight, that money cannot always save lives.
    The Julii conquered and conquered quickly, with dogs, mercenary levies, peasants, towns watchmen, hastati, and later, civilly, professionally, the Horses, Elephants, Pigs, Dogs, Arrows, Pilum, Boulders, Bolts, Boiling Oil, but most of the time, in the sixty four years of Rome’s expansionary conquests, not with men. Of but few men died, were taxed, enslaved, and most were free.
    The Brutii have but few men they can levy quickly of professional stature. They have only but few settlements left. They will be dispatched, surely. The Scipii, can be outmaneuvered by storming Sicily and the rest of Africa by boat. This will surely be an easy fight for the Professional Dogs of War.
    Hear ye, hear ye, with all ye for ears to hear me, the Senate, the Centuriae Assemblae, the People of Rome, the Consuls, the Suffect Consuls, the Freemen of the World abroad agree,
    WE ARE THE TRUE ROMANS!
    A victoria acerbumdulce
    Liber I Ioannis Carnatius ias Eras litteris scribis tibi hodie,Estas CCVI BC in prima die Julii Tusculano.
    Quod non est in discordiam egere, sed ut victoriam vicisse a acerbumdulce officialis sui summa. Amaritudinem animi ferox consulto liceret habitare, nisi qui armati latrones lulii consensit lulii et consularibus ducibus tribunis et praesertim populum. Nam per tres generationes lulii foresaked voluptatem immanium scelerum venia ulla reasonability libero Respublica autem iterum ut Roma in vicinitate et Scipii Brutiisque aelestibus canalibus animarum innocentium mancipia liberis parvulis.
    Uxorem autem distenti sunt non rapuerit, indulgebant epulati sunt populi Romani perniciosius defraudavit. Iulii rogatus occidere reipublicae principes duces pater Julii familiam non prius agnovit patricium et equestri longe stans C. Iulii Victoris adoptatus a plebeio in familia munus a servitute civili, militare officium, decus et munus. Ut velox sicut discordiam egere coeperunt, finita est, de facto.
    Turpiter deformatum post partum tres generationes bellum civile Balcaniae et Peloponnesum peninsulam ubi lavaciously turpe Bruttiis magnarumque praedam opus servorum lulii crebros amitteret domesticorum conatur bellum pace atque populo.
    Gnaeus post paululum effugiunt mortem provinciae Carthaginensis lepide interpretatus ignauissimo munimenta provincia fugit via maris Massillia ad ulteriorem disable Scipii, inutile plurimum copiis exploranda magis pecuniam et mancipia savannah sunt ex Africa.
    Gnaeus cum defuncto facto proelio ipsius iudicio pauperes, Massiliam proelio fudisse imperatorem Scipionem protexit quos oblitus nominis. Gnaeus quidem placida quiete Romae Cereris opperiretur auspiciis adhuc glorificare tribunali Ulterior Martem Ulterior Jovem Ulterior Neptunus Ulterior et Deorum Romanum gloriae Elysium.
    Alii dicunt industria, patiens in sua senectute, cavus amarum est sub plantis et herbis uti multa fortasse quae causat corporalem magis esse ad imperium laxis. Qui rapuere sub potum esse probabiliter etiam miser. A heros de Republica agitur, Cn nec magis et minus.
    Massilienses post captionem et velox Scipii Carthagini sed non heroico Defensores ex edito, tum praedicta. Qui Carthaginiensibus legionibus Scipii movendi sunt et videlicet in navi Romam ponnesum Balcaniae.
    Licet adepti victoriam in Bruttiis et efficaciter Scipii exleges Meritage nihil boni nec bonam nec bona pubes sed pretium pecunia corrupti praedam uerius EXTEREBRO et tamdiu tantum. De Western North Africa manere copias suas dispersum in montibus, et Merita, hi milites autem senes locuti sunt, e primo Reipublicae.
    Quamquam expertum plerique filii sunt senes caret copiarum duces ducum publica cohaeret et modo videntes male provida vitae nisi non pecuniae.
    Iulii victa victa subito cum canibus mercenarius cohortes sparsi urbium custodes hastatos postea civiliter munere, equi et elephantes Porci canes sagittas Pilum scopuli, valvis oleum, maxime tempus anno sexagesimo expansionary Romani victoria non hominibus. Et pauci mortui sunt profiterentur servitute ac liberum.
    Dilectus habere possunt paucis Bruttiis senos cito amet. Sedes habent pauci relicti. Et non esse missum, morte morietur. Scipii enim potest ceterisque Siciliae Africae expugnando adeptus eat. Quod profecto facile sit pugna de bello ad eum canes Lorem.
    Audite, audite quam ad vos cum omnibus aures audiendi orate pro me senatum et Centuriae Assemblae, populumque Collatinum, urbem, cui nave egredienti consules et consules Suffect: multae optimatium Iudaeorum foris in mundo conveniunt,
    CONIUNCTI SUMUS ANTIQUI ROMANORUM QUI EST VERUS!

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    I've decided not to do the full tally and going through every video as it takes up way too much of my time and there are seventy videos.

    You can just watch the videos and look at the battle statistics at the end of each video. I will do an AAR of every video and talk about each video briefly, in general, with some screenshots starting from episode 3

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Haha, that challenge is a really nice idea. Just don't tell PETA.

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Derc View Post
    Haha, that challenge is a really nice idea. Just don't tell PETA.
    Thanks for the commentary. I hope you enjoy my videos. I haven't uploaded any videos for the last two days because I have been focusing on other things, including modding Rome Total War to have machine learning AI support through a one size fits all, hacky-rigged hotseat campaign with ML AI's in VMs and Players in the Hotseat.

    I'm still trying to figure a way around having to reverse engineer the game because that will take forever. It may be worked on incrementally at first and then as I get better at programming and have more free time, I will implement a much more rich featureset.

    I want to see if I can stitch together some netcode and if I can have a workaround fix for the main problem of being able to attack the other player on the battle map.

    I have to draw out a few possible scenarios and see which ones are the easiest and require the least resources for an initial release, but as well, will be consistent enough to be a mod that is ubiquitous and easily usable.

    I have always liked things in my life to be "plug and play", and with programming I really take my time on planning serious problems out and then working on amenities later, after the bulk of the code has been written. It's very important to think of a program essentially as something that is multifunctional and multilateral in its capabilities.

    A GUI very easily expresses this, but inherently, electricity and logic gates don't correspond one to one with human sense perception and cognitive perception of what a "game" entails. Something I want to work personally on is getting a working release out within a reasonable timeframe, given that I will be a data scientist soon. I am a pretty good data analyst with Excel, but my previous job didn't give me the opportunity to grow as a real programmer.

    I am going to take my work seriously as I think this can be an outlet in my life of not only extreme agony but extreme joy and fun, orderly work, scheduled work, a salaried job perhaps, donations as income, who knows necessarily.

    Progamming is a ing pain in the ass and I hate it for the most part if I don't attack the problem at hand with a strategy of attack where I elaborately spend time thinking about the problem.

    In cognitive psychology, I am not too sure of the phrase but this is although torturous to me sometimes, I do like learning and seeing if I can actively recall, try new methods as well as eventually look for solutions to questions. I don't spend that much time on problems and I haven't really programmed in a long time so, this mod, in summary will be in the very early planning stages as of now.

    I will report back on that in the other thread occasionally but concerning this AAR, maybe I'll have like a series of "lost letters" of history of this campaign and that will be the framework of the challenge. Tallying up numbers and this and that is a pain in the ass when viewers can just go ahead and scan the video to find the statistics screen anyway.

    Just watch the videos if you want lol.

    Those occasional AAR snippets will be interesting.

    I also plan on doing a RTW:BI campaign because there are wardogs in that campaign as well.

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    Ioannes Carnatius Ias Eras
    202 BCE

    I write this letter to you, in injury, as I have been afflicted by a wound only an augur could remedy or prognosticate. My body hath driven me to itchiness, but at the great excelling of intelligence, wit, humor, stamina, vigor, vitality. My skin is unclean, but the needy of Rome not worry, for we are needy no longer. When the wars are over with the Scipii and the Brutii, which will be soon, Rome shall be restored in all of its greatness and wonder, and its glory, to invigorate the democratic republic under the peaceful dictatorial rule of Decimus Silva.

    Any planning of rebellion, or open rebellion, will only be met with decimation under Decimus Silva, of the trees, of the wooden foothills of Iberia.

    Adopted into the Julii family simply as Decimus Silva, he was selected by the senate and the centuriae assemblae in a sacred election most dear for the protection of the Republic against the manic Scipii. The Brutii foolishly wait at Rhodes, but Helios shall not come for the overcast day when the Brutii shall be utterly destroyed.

    The men are being levied. We had saved Rome from the Barbarians, we saved Rome from the insolent Scipii and Brutii, and we shall plunder their resources for the benefit of all Rome, even those who survive the decimation of Decimus Silva. Rome will be at peace on all of its fronts and territorial claims de jure made claimant to the Republic of Rome in Peace, in War, in Trade, in Glory and in Triumph.

    Rumors are that the Senate shall send emissaries across the world to negotiate the final truce agreements of their empires to Rome as client states. If they do not accept, then we shall declare total war.

    Only when do they accept vassalage to Rome in terms of prisoners of war, freedmen and non decimated citizenry, and complete and utter subjugation will the wars end.

    ROMA INVICTUS!

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Yes, 'lost letters' offering views of moments in the campaign sound like a good idea.

    It sounds like Rome is confident that Scipii and Brutii will become client states (assuming that they who who you mean by 'their empires' where you write about the Senate sending emissaries to negotiate this).

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    Default Re: Cry Havoc, and Let Slip the Dogs Of War! RTW Challenge: Part 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Alwyn View Post
    Yes, 'lost letters' offering views of moments in the campaign sound like a good idea.

    It sounds like Rome is confident that Scipii and Brutii will become client states (assuming that they who who you mean by 'their empires' where you write about the Senate sending emissaries to negotiate this).
    The next dogs of war campaign will be a blitz campaign with modified house rules but I will be running a canon BI blitz after this run.

    So it's going to be RTW --> BI --> RTW --> BI

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