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    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia Iunia Bruti View Post
    Nice that nobody is talking about the two austrian muslims of turkish origin, which dragged an older woman and a wounded policemen out of the line of fire...
    Thanks for reminding. Those two men were first accused for being the attackers but it turned out they were helping people that night.

    Vienna shootings: Three men praised for helping emergency services
    Three men have been hailed for helping a police officer and an elderly woman during Monday's attack in Vienna.
    Recep Gultekin was shot in the leg while aiding the woman with his friend, Mikail Özen.
    They also carried an injured police officer to safety after a Palestinian man, Osama Joda, gave him first aid.
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    Women are too agreeable and too much oriented towards friendliness and conflict AVOIDANCE. They generally care too less about conflict SOLUTION.

    It is required a longer period of male politicians who are less likely to avoid conflict in order to teach the Muslim machismo a lesson that does not require them to learn (because they can't).

    Muslim culture is not something that can be regarded as something agreeable (especially in the long run) because it is disagreeableness itself in our modern times! Which culture breeds as veritable calibers of s as the Muslims (except the Chinese)? They are setting the standards and this needs a response by confident men, not by muttering old grannies with too much tea in their minds.
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    Default Re: Religion of Peace Strikes Again: Teacher beheaded in France after showing Mohammed cartoons

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    What if they're citizens and/or born in France?
    kidnap and hold them in black sites.

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    What's apparent is that European countries have a free movement of attackers problem and an extremism problem. Almost all of the attackers in the previous years have been of people that were known to the authorities. Many of them slipped through the system not because of their cunning but because the authorities didn't take action. On the extremism angle, they've been putting all Muslims in the same basket while for years they allowed Saudi influence to take over mosques in Europe.
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    The institutions (eg. Europol, Frontex) and databases are there, but used only randomly. The cooperation could and must be improved.

    Perhaps we need an European Bureau for Investigation (EBI^^) for terrorism, subvention fraud and other kind of europeanwide corruption/economical crimes.
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    Cooperation is a must especially for states with open borders to other states.
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    Apparently, Turkish police detained the Vienna attacker Kujtim Fejzulai back in September 2018 when he was trying to illegally cross to Syria. He was deported back to Austria in January 2019. His association with ISIL was shared by Turkey to Austria. He was sentenced to 22 months of prison time in Austria in April 2019. He was released early on last December. On July 2020, he traveled to Slovakia to purchase ammunition which was found out by Slovakian police and this information was provided to Austria which apparently didn't follow through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinarius View Post
    Germany? Yeah ...... dream on.
    And of course this was a pure act of conflict avoidance, internally as well as intra-European.

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Apparently, Turkish police detained the Vienna attacker Kujtim Fejzulai back in September 2018 when he was trying to illegally cross to Syria. He was deported back to Austria in January 2019. His association with ISIL was shared by Turkey to Austria. He was sentenced to 22 months of prison time in Austria in April 2019. He was released early on last December. On July 2020, he traveled to Slovakia to purchase ammunition which was found out by Slovakian police and this information was provided to Austria which apparently didn't follow through.
    Yes, but that allegedly was an identification error. They thought it was someone else.

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    Yes, but that allegedly was an identification error. They thought it was someone else.
    If anti-terrorism efforts can be derailed by something as simple as an identification error at this day and age then people are truly alive by luck...
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    You can only minimize but you will never eradicate human failure.

    will still happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    If anti-terrorism efforts can be derailed by something as simple as an identification error at this day and age then people are truly alive by luck...
    Mistakes happen. Of course, humans are lucky to be alive for several reasons and terrorism represents an extremely small to irrelevant chance to suffer death (even though close relatives were close to 2 incidents so far in time and space; including this one!). But terrorism is an extreme source of distrust, prejudices, etc, because it is much more expected from human beings than to not just slaughter others for retarded reasons; with a culturally traceable source. This is hurtful, humiliating and extremely disappointing! If it is then confirmed by how Muslims for example are defending the actions of extremists, it is even disturbing and causing real insecurity regarding further Muslim immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morticia Iunia Bruti View Post
    You can only minimize but you will never eradicate human failure.

    will still happen.
    This is not human failure like the misjudgement of a pilot, it is a cultural and societal failure made by millions. At least if Muslims actually want to coexist and have growing and friendly relationships with us westerners, it is really, really bad.

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    Mistakes happen. Of course, humans are lucky to be alive for several reasons and terrorism represents an extremely small to irrelevant chance to suffer death (even though close relatives were close to 2 incidents so far in time and space; including this one!). But terrorism is an extreme source of distrust, prejudices, etc, because it is much more expected from human beings than to not just slaughter others for retarded reasons; with a culturally traceable source. This is hurtful, humiliating and extremely disappointing! If it is then confirmed by how Muslims for example are defending the actions of extremists, it is even disturbing and causing real insecurity regarding further Muslim immigration.
    Mistakes don't happen this many times. If they do, either the people making those mistakes are utterly incompetence, or they're being misled, or they're allowing certain things to happen. Too many times over the last few years that terror attacks came from individuals that were known to the authorities. While 10 year old 4 Turkish kids were arrested for no real reason in France by special forces many known individuals with terror links are allowed to travel freely. There are people that are banking on you to rely on bigoted arguments that go nowhere instead of keeping the actual people that are responsible for their liability.


    Quote Originally Posted by swabian View Post
    This is not human failure like the misjudgement of a pilot, it is a cultural and societal failure made by millions. At least if Muslims actually want to coexist and have growing and friendly relationships with us westerners, it is really, really bad.
    Random Muslims have nothing to do with this. They have no obligation to run counter terrorism operations just to address bigotry or ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    While 10 year old 4 Turkish kids were arrested for no real reason in France by special forces many known individuals with terror links are allowed to travel freely.
    Wanted to ask you for a source, but found it with a quick googling. Don't ya believe, such a thing is possible!

    There were reasons, but... you have to check it out for yourself, folks. Pure gold.

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    Default Re: Austria: Attack against Synagogue in Vienna.

    Quote Originally Posted by swabian View Post
    But terrorism is an extreme source of distrust, prejudices, etc, because it is much more expected from human beings than to not just slaughter others for retarded reasons; with a culturally traceable source. This is hurtful, humiliating and extremely disappointing! If it is then confirmed by how Muslims for example are defending the actions of extremists, it is even disturbing and causing real insecurity regarding further Muslim immigration.
    Traceable from all Monotheisms, one of which is claimed to be the foundation of western society.

    Have you ever met middle-class Muslims in hardcore Islamic countries? It is never about immigration itself, but immigration of poor people into a country with social welfare but zero hope for the low-skilled to build any future, where their existence is seen as entirely negative and their culture despicable. To live like that is worse than having no life at all.

    PS: and we had discussions where poor people are considered more moral, ha!

    Someone posted this in another thread, you can see how Muslim immigration fare in US:
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    Malaysians, Pakistanis, Indonesians and Bangladeshi - you see those rich immigrants in US throwing away their life for religious nonsense, starting patrols to slap women or calling for Sharia laws?
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    Traceable from all Monotheisms, one of which is claimed to be the foundation of western society.

    Have you ever met middle-class Muslims in hardcore Islamic countries? It is never about immigration itself, but immigration of poor people into a country with social welfare but zero hope for the low-skilled to build any future, where their existence is seen as entirely negative and their culture despicable. To live like that is worse than having no life at all.

    PS: and we had discussions where poor people are considered more moral, ha!

    Someone posted this in another thread, you can see how Muslim immigration fare in US:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Malaysians, Pakistanis, Indonesians and Bangladeshi - you see those rich immigrants in US throwing away their life for religious nonsense, starting patrols to slap women or calling for Sharia laws?
    Yeah, because i did anything to establish the status quo... There is a difference of development, but this is not the fault of the west (and certainly not my fault!). You cannot force these things! Cultures do develop at a different pace. This will not change, no matter how many people are pointlessly murdered.

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    One thing that these people don't understand or don't want to understand is as a muslim we can't force Islamic laws in a non Islamic country it is forbidden, and while we stay in your country we are not allowed to harm anything even in a country where sharia law is we are not allowed to destroy your houses or temples or harm you. Please go read what sharia is from Islamic resources. Those so called muslims who are killing people in the name of the Islam are called Kwawaarij it's an old sect. They existed in the time of the prophet and they were killing muslims. They hate muslims more then they hate non muslims. Prophet called them dogs of hell. Imam Ibn Nujaym al-Hanafi (Rahimahullah) describesKhawarij as:
    “Al-Khawarij” are the group having “Strength and Zealotry” who revolt against the (Muslims/governments) due to (self styled) interpretation. They believe that (Muslims/governments) are upon falsehood, disbelief, or disobedience and thus it is necessary to fight against. “THEY DECLARE LAWFUL THE BLOOD AND WEALTH OF MUSLIMS” [Ibn Nujaym in his Bahr al Ra’iq, Volume # 2, Page # 234] n explanation of this verse Ibn Kathir (rah) says:Abu Umama (RA) narrates hadith from Prophet (Peace be upon him) that the word of Allah {As for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical} “THESE ARE THE KHAWARIJ” and Allah Ta’ala said: {On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black… (Qur’an 3:106)} “THESE ARE KHAWARIJ” …Abu Umama narrated it in Marfu form, this hadith is in categories of Mawquf and is talk of Sahabi but the meaning is correct. “THE FIRST BIDAH IN ISLAM WAS STRIFE OF KHAWARIJ” (Then Ibn Katheer mentions long hadith about Dhul-Khawsira at-Tameemi the first Kharj’ite and how he disrespected Prophet. We will mention that hadith in detail in hadith section)



    Ibn Abi Awfa reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The khawarij are the dogs of Hellfire.”
    Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 173
    Many other Mufasireen also applied this to Khawarij, See Ibn Abi Hatim ar-Razi in his Tafsir al Qur’an al Azeem (2/594). Imam al-Khazin in his Lubab al-Ta’wil (1/217).
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