Religion of Peace Strikes Again: Teacher beheaded in France after showing Mohammed cartoons

[Sir Adrian]

Well, certainly not Islam. Islam doesn't mandate that anybody who draws something should be executed.

You seem to have missed the hadith where drawing Mohammed and Allah are blasphemy and blasphemy is punishable by ...

[PointOfViewGun]

You seem to have missed the hadith where drawing Mohammed and Allah are blasphemy and blasphemy is punishable by ...

I think you have missed that Hadith as well since there is no Hadith that bans depiction of Muhammad. In fact, there are numerous examples of depictions of Muhammad throughout history:

[Genava]

I think you have missed that Hadith as well since there is no Hadith that bans depiction of Muhammad. In fact, there are numerous examples of depictions of Muhammad throughout history:

I think you all missed the point. The depiction of Muhammad is contentious in Islam, some traditions entirely forbid it, others not. Iranian Shi'ism is open to his depiction while Sunnism not.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad

BUT ALL consider that depicting Muhammad in a negative way is blasphemy.

Edit: and the issue is how Muslims react to blasphemy and what values they put firsts.

[PointOfViewGun]

I think you all missed the point. The depiction of Muhammad is contentious in Islam, some traditions entirely forbid it, others not. Iranian Shi'ism is open to his depiction while Sunnism not.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad

BUT ALL consider that depicting Muhammad in a negative way is blasphemy.

Edit: and the issue is how Muslims react to blasphemy and what values they put firsts.

Not depictions of him but idolization of him. There's your reason why none of the historical depictions in museums have been vandalized. Shia's might have commonly depicted Muhammad but Ottomans didn't really destroy them either. Topkapi Palace in Istanbul still houses a number of them.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Anti-terrorism prosecutor Jean-François Ricard said that the suspect, who lived in the Normandy town of Évreux, about 100km (60 miles) from the murder scene, went to Mr Paty's school in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine on Friday afternoon and asked students to point out the teacher.

Abdoulakh A, an 18-year-old born in Moscow of Chechen origin, had no apparent connection with the teacher or the school.
He followed Mr Paty as he walked home from work. The suspect used a knife to attack the teacher in the head, and then beheaded him.

Witnesses are said to have heard the attacker shout "Allahu Akbar", or "God is Greatest".
As police approached him, he fired at them with an airgun. Officers returned fire, hitting him nine times. A 30cm-long (12in) blade was found close by.

Authorities said the man had been before courts but only on minor misdemeanour charges.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54589241

It appears France in particular struggles with this problem.

Displacement of radical groups with international ties by homegrown militants from within the diaspora community has had serious repercussions for French society. Not only has it served to divide the diaspora communities from greater French society and culture, but it also has caused these communities to entrench themselves into resentful and segregated groups largely alienated from the surrounding environs. In reaction, the French government has, on the one hand, sought to safeguard these communities from persecution and hostility, and, on the other hand, been proactive in its attempts to keep them from spreading radical Islam to other groups in France. Over time, this trend has only served to create hostility, fear and suspicion of the “other” within the diaspora community as well as in French society.

Further, such satellite communities have become increasingly isolated and closed cultures in which the French government seldom intervenes. Hence, along with the establishment of such parallel institutions as commercial associations, clubs, cultural centers, private schools, and religious organizations a number of radical and violent militant cells have been spawned. With significant rates of unemployment, crime, feelings of isolation, disenfranchisement, and contempt running high among youths in the diaspora communities, recruitment has been relatively easy. The relative isolation of the parallel societies has led many Muslim youths to become contemptuous of France and to begin to identify with vocal fringe leaders who advocate terrorism. Using the cover of being community leaders, such Islamic radicals have promoted al Qaeda and its ideals.

This is all the more surprising, given France’s long history of assimilation of people from former colonies and, more recently, of those who immigrated and became French citizens by choice. However, French assimilation demands cultural uniformity and acceptance of a republican form of government that is strongly linked with secularism. This poses an inherent obstacle to Muslims who wish to interpret these demands as a form of discrimination.

France’s Muslim population is the largest in the EU and may be as high as 6 million people, or approximately 10 percent of the population. While the majority of Muslims in France, as elsewhere, are not radical, the tiny fraction who are tend to be numerically significant given the overall numbers of Muslims in France. This only has served to heighten tensions in French society regarding immigration and other issues such as the wearing of headscarves39 that are seen by some as visible signs that radical Islam is gaining a strong, anti-republican foothold in France.

Largely unrecognized until recently, France has been dealing with Islamic radicalism for several decades. The riots in the French suburbs in October 2005 and October 2006 brought international attention to France’s Islamic community. In this and other events, the French have demonstrated their determination to stamp out any form of violence and terrorism on French soil. Since the 1990s, French counter-terrorism strategy has been evaluated by some as the most effective in Europe. Its anti-terrorist police have developed a sophisticated human intelligence network capability aided by broadly inclusive legislation, “conspiracy in relation to terrorism,” by which authorities may detain suspects while evidence is being gathered to strengthen the case against them. Indeed, many members of the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) have quit France and gone to Belgium and Germany because of the pressure exerted by French law enforcement.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a482139.pdf

Re-evaluating immigration policy won’t solve the issue on its own given that France’s terrorism problem is increasingly home-grown, and it’s not very useful to extrapolate upon Islam as a religion given that the French situation is unique from others. For example, the US doesn’t see the same dynamics one would expect if this were as simple as Islam versus non-Islam. From the same paper:

The United States has not seen the “pockets” of radicalism that one sees in the United Kingdom or France, but it does appear that violence is an attraction for some individuals. The Netherlands has noted this phenomenon among second- and third-generation Muslims, but in the United States the attraction to violence does not appear to be focused within any ethnic group. Rather, one suspects that attraction to violence and support for terrorist causes are bound up in deep, emotional dissatisfaction that has found an outlet in the phenomenon of globalized terrorism. Perhaps the best explanation for the wide- ranging, U.S.-based terrorist activity is to return to the beginning of the section and note that, in a country this large, it is possible even for fringe elements to attain a significant following. More importantly, in a technologically advanced society, pocketed within a shrinking world, it is entirely possible for a very few to cause harm to a great many.

Islam is the third largest religion in the United States, after Christianity and Judaism. A 2017 study estimated that 3.45 million Muslims were living in the United States, about 1.1 percent of the total U.S. population.

Islam in the United States - Wikipedia

[Genava]

Not depictions of him but idolization of him. There's your reason why none of the historical depictions in museums have been vandalized. Shia's might have commonly depicted Muhammad but Ottomans didn't really destroy them either. Topkapi Palace in Istanbul still houses a number of them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../arts.artsnews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depict...ipedia_article

[PointOfViewGun]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../arts.artsnews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depict...ipedia_article

Al Qaeda plot to destroy a fresco depicting Muhammad in hell and an ignored petition to remove a picture of Muhammad from Wikipedia doesn't exactly help your case. Use words please. The fact is this became an issue recently.

[Genava]

Al Qaeda plot to destroy a fresco depicting Muhammad in hell and an ignored petition doesn't exactly help your case. Use words please. The fact is this became an issue recently.

I thought we were debating the current situation not doing a historical analysis.

And this is not something exclusively recent, it was a slow process starting from late medieval times. See the breaking of idols in Mirhkwand’s Rawdat al-Safa.

[Cookiegod]

It's kinda futile to point to the medieval times; but if you insist, then lots of cultures went through their iconoclastic phases. The maybe most significant one in Christian history is that of the reformation.

Here's Antwerp

Here's England

Here's Zürich

Here's Utrecht

If you're in an old church in Europe predating the reformation, but with white or blank walls, then chances are it was once painted. France during the revolution did something similar, e.g. in the Notre Dame de Paris, but that were "enlightenment" people forcing their view on the church, not the church itself, so we'll ignore that.

Imho the Islam version takes the image prohibition from Judeo-Christianity without getting the point of it, which was that god is abstract and not to be visualised, where in Islam it's kinda for the lulz? But that wasn't strictly followed by Islam, just like the picturing god prohibition was also often ignored in Christianity as well (Check out the relatively modern Montmartre cathedral in Paris, or some 16th century art, including Orthodox icons).

If you think this is an unnecessary segue from the discussion, then wait for the kicker: Ibn-Wahab, the founder of Wahhabism, the most radical branch of Sunni Islam and most fervent about the destruction of images, was very much influenced by protestant missionaries. Point being rather simple: This islamist puritanism movement is a semimodern thing in Islam with little to no relation to what happened earlier. Even today there are different ways to live Islam (more chill), and Wahhabism would likely not have spread through the Islamic world, if not for the cold war and some US+British help.

Does Islam today have a problem with radicals? Sure. But I'd argue it's fixable, given that it wasn't broken until a few decades ago. France is actually in a good position to try and fix that, along with Egypt.

And with regards to this Chechen decapitator, you also have to understand that the perp also had a cultural background, which he probably lived out in the most toxic way possible, plus possibly personal problems. It's not so straight forward to say how much his religion really influenced his actions, rather than serving as a thin excuse to try and feel in control for once in his life and suicide by cop for the sweet 72 virgins in heaven.

[Genava]

It's kinda futile to point to the medieval times; but if you insist, then lots of cultures went through their iconoclastic phases. The maybe most significant one in Christian history is that of the reformation.

Here's Antwerp

Here's England

Here's Zürich

Here's Utrecht

If you're in an old church in Europe predating the reformation, but with white or blank walls, then chances are it was once painted. France during the revolution did something similar, e.g. in the Notre Dame de Paris, but that were "enlightenment" people forcing their view on the church, not the church itself, so we'll ignore that.

Imho the Islam version takes the image prohibition from Judeo-Christianity without getting the point of it, which was that god is abstract and not to be visualised, where in Islam it's kinda for the lulz? But that wasn't strictly followed by Islam, just like the picturing god prohibition was also often ignored in Christianity as well (Check out the relatively modern Montmartre cathedral in Paris, or some 16th century art, including Orthodox icons).

If you think this is an unnecessary segue from the discussion, then wait for the kicker: Ibn-Wahab, the founder of Wahhabism, the most radical branch of Sunni Islam and most fervent about the destruction of images, was very much influenced by protestant missionaries. Point being rather simple: This islamist puritanism movement is a semimodern thing in Islam with little to no relation to what happened earlier. Even today there are different ways to live Islam (more chill), and Wahhabism would likely not have spread through the Islamic world, if not for the cold war and some US+British help.

Does Islam today have a problem with radicals? Sure. But I'd argue it's fixable, given that it wasn't broken until a few decades ago. France is actually in a good position to try and fix that, along with Egypt.

And with regards to this Chechen decapitator, you also have to understand that the perp also had a cultural background, which he probably lived out in the most toxic way possible, plus possibly personal problems. It's not so straight forward to say how much his religion really influenced his actions, rather than serving as a thin excuse to try and feel in control for once in his life and suicide by cop for the sweet 72 virgins in heaven.

If your point is that a radical religious attitude is bad, you don't need to convince me.

BUT, the current situation is:

"A quarter of young Muslims (26%) under 25 do not explicitly condemn the perpetrators of the attacks of January 7, 2015 and 12% condemn them while admitting to share some of their motivations, probably because they see in the irreverence towards Islam an unacceptable form of disrespect towards them.
Asked to imagine themselves the day after the attack on the newspaper, 41% of Muslims declared that they would not have taken part in the minute of silence organized in tribute to the journalists who were victims of the attack on Charlie Hebdo, i.e. proportion twice as high as that measured among all French people (20%).

Asked more broadly about their relationship to religion, Muslims are twice as likely (40%) than all French people (17%) to put their religious convictions before the values of the Republic, knowing that this proportion is very large majority among young Muslims under 25 (74%)."

https://www.ifop.com/publication/dro...ncore-charlie/

I see that you are optimist about this situation but I want to highlight that the current trend is increasing, not decreasing. Especially among young muslims.

[PointOfViewGun]

Don't you need two data points to point at a trend?

[AqD]

And with regards to this Chechen decapitator, you also have to understand that the perp also had a cultural background, which he probably lived out in the most toxic way possible, plus possibly personal problems.

He lived in France until 18. Yeah probably a very toxic environment.

He's not the only one who felt deeply insulted:

A parent of one of the pupils reacted angrily to the incident, accusing Mr Paty of showing naked pictures of the Prophet Muhammad. The father lodged a formal complaint and produced videos demonstrating the anger at Mr Paty's actions, and calling on people to go to the school to protest.

The father is one of the people in custody, Mr Ricard said, adding that this man's half-sister had joined the Islamic State organisation in Syria in 2014.]

So what we have are:

1. People who think Muhammad and his ideas laughable. They have no respect whatsoever and wouldn't last 5 minute in Saudi Arabia.
2. People who think Muhammad sacred and worth to kill for.

Why some people among group (1) want to pretend to help people of group (2) by offering refugee programs but ridicule their culture and insult them in every way possible is beyond my understanding.

IMO every faithful believers of some sort should be granted a one-way ticket, hotel stay and safe passage to ISIS or Syria for free.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

The radicalisation among young immigrants has more social than relgious causes:

Perhaps the main reason for the alienation perceived among the younger generations in the poorest French suburbs is the perceived racism, both casual and institutional. In this particular regard, France has long had a problem with dealing with both its present and its historical memory, especially with respect to its colonial past and its role during World War II—especially significant, for instance, is the lack of attention around the Paris massacre of 1961 and the still ongoing controversy surrounding the number of victims therein, an amount which as recently as ten years ago was still officially recognized as below 50 although most independent accounts place it by the hundreds.^[4][5][6][7] The February 23, 2005 law on colonialism, voted by the UMP conservative majority, stating that the positive consequences of colonization must be taught to students, created a wide uproar, including among many university teachers outraged by what they have called a mark of "historical revisionism", and an infringement on the legal principle of academic freedom.
Today, children of immigrants claim that they frequently encounter economic segregation or racism:^{[citation needed]} they have problems getting a job, or finding an apartment, or even entering a nightclub, because of their names or skin color. The association SOS Racisme, which has close ties to the French Socialist Party, has claimed to have found experimental proof of such racism:

• When responding to job offers with identical CVs, except for name and address, to the same companies; CVs with African names received far fewer positive answers than CVs with typical French names;
• They filmed the entrance to selected nightclubs and observed discriminatory acts;
• They found widespread use of abbreviations such as "BBR," short for Bleu Blanc Rouge ("Blue White Red," the colors of the French flag), referring to ethnic Frenchmen and "NBBR" (Non Bleu Blanc Rouge - non-French) indicating the use of race in employers' databases;
• They found that discrimination is more widespread for those with college degrees than for those without;
• They found that French laws which make discrimination in employment illegal are rarely enforced, and that even when they are, punishment tends to be nominal.

The politically correct term for those discriminated against is "visible minority" (minorité visible), due to the fact that the segregation applies to any visible feature (color of skin, dress, name) and is not related to the ethnic group itself.
In some neighborhoods in the banlieue, unemployment exceeded 40% in 2005.^{[citation needed]} One explanation for this is that the general level of education in these areas is well below the national average, which, in a context where it is difficult to find jobs requiring little or no qualifications, is bound to generate high unemployment. According to the BBC, the unemployment rate for university graduates of French origin is 5%; this can be compared to the unemployment rate of 26.5% for university graduates of North African origin. According to the BBC, the inability of educated people who happen to be nonwhite to obtain employment and the connection to documented racism have left many feeling that they face dim prospects regardless of their actions.^[8]
French law restricts the access to most civil service jobs (fonction publique) for people who do not have French nationality, though there are exceptions to this: some highly qualified positions (e.g. public research and higher education) are open regardless of citizenship, while some positions (e.g. defense and law enforcement) are open only to French citizens. Some sensitive positions (e.g. defense and the nuclear industry) may be difficult to obtain for people with close ties to "problem countries". Finally, not all public jobs fall into the civil service, and restrictions generally do not apply to non-civil service public positions.
Residents of the banlieues frequently complain that they are subject to racial profiling by the police ("face features offense", délit de faciès). "Identity Controls" — unannounced places where police demand identity papers from whomever they choose are extremely unpopular and seen as unbefitting a free society. Witnesses to these identity controls confirm that only nonwhites are commonly asked for their papers. The use of identity controls contributes to widespread distrust of police in the banlieues.^[9][10][11]
The perception that French police are effectively immune to the law, especially with regard to offenses committed against nonwhites, has also helped to fuel anger against them in the banlieue.^{[citation needed]} The French newspaper Le Monde has written that "Justice is at a special tariff for police officers: they are never seriously punished."^[12] Cases such as one in which an eight-month suspended sentence was given to two police officers for manslaughter by asphyxiation against a black man have contributed to the belief that the police are unaccountable to the citizens who employ them. In April 2005, Amnesty International released a report that suggested that the French judicial system tacitly supports racially motivated violence by police.^[13][14][15]
In contrast, some in the right and especially the far-right, such as Jean-Marie Le Pen, claim that youth from the banlieues enjoy de facto immunity from prosecution and that most of them should be either sent back to the country of their origin or stripped of their French citizenship. They claim that the police and the prosecution are ordered by the government to be lenient, so as not to attract the wrath of left-wing and pro-immigration organisations.^[16]
A new report of Amnesty International investigates racially motivated executions, murders and abuses committed by the French police and the leniency expressed by the French government into investigating such cases has been published April 2, 2009. The report has mostly been censored^{[citation needed]} by French news.<sup>[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social...on_of_cultures</sup>


Improving the social conditions with the possibility of social progress would dry the islamistic swamp.

[Genava]

Except it is the case in progressive countries like Sweden as well.

Checking the literature about your claim linking extremism to poverty:

Education, Poverty, Political Violence and Terrorism: Is There a Causal Connection?
The paper investigates whether there is a causal link between poverty or low education and participation in politically motivated violence and terrorist activities. After presenting a discussion of theoretical issues, we review evidence on the determinants of hate crimes. This literature finds that the occurrence of hate crimes is largely independent of economic conditions. Next we analyze data on support for attacks against Israeli targets from public opinion polls conducted in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These polls indicate that support for violent attacks does not decrease among those with higher education and higher living standards. The core contribution of the paper is a statistical analysis of the determinants of participation in Hezbollah militant activities in Lebanon. The evidence we have assembled suggests that having a living standard above the poverty line or a secondary school or higher education is positively associated with participation in Hezbollah. We also find that Israeli Jewish settlers who attacked Palestinians in the West Bank in the early 1980s were overwhelmingly from high-paying occupations. The conclusion speculates on why economic conditions and education are largely unrelated to participation in, and support for, terrorism.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w9074

Who Supports Terrorism? Evidence from Fourteen Muslim Countries
This research note explores aspects of the demand for terrorism using data from the Pew Research Center. With these data from 7,849 adult respondents persons within 14 Muslim countries, this article explores who supports terrorism. It is shown that females, younger persons, and those who believe Islam is under threat are more likely to support terrorism. Very poor respondents and those who believe that religious leaders should play a larger role in politics are less likely to support terrorism than others. Because these affects vary throughout the countries studies, it is argued that interventions must be highly tailored, using detailed demographic and psychographic data.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...DsRFCLQBGbq3Cc

Policy debates on strategies to end extremist violence frequently cite poverty as a root cause of support for the perpetrating groups. There is little evidence to support this contention, particularly in the Pakistani case. Pakistan's urban poor are more exposed to the negative externalities of militant violence and may in fact be less supportive of the groups. To test these hypotheses we conducted a 6,000‐person, nationally representative survey of Pakistanis that measured affect toward four militant organizations. By applying a novel measurement strategy, we mitigate the item nonresponse and social desirability biases that plagued previous studies due to the sensitive nature of militancy. Contrary to expectations, poor Pakistanis dislike militants more than middle‐class citizens. This dislike is strongest among the urban poor, particularly those in violent districts, suggesting that exposure to terrorist attacks reduces support for militants. Long‐standing arguments tying support for violent organizations to income may require substantial revision.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...796DbPGp8XR7Uc

Is Violent Radicalisation Associated with Poverty, Migration, Poor Self-Reported Health and Common Mental Disorders?

This is the first study of common mental disorders and violent radicalisation, taking account of social and political attitudes, beliefs and health related behaviours associated with sympathies for radicalisation in a minority Muslim-heritage population sample of South Asian ethnic origin, living in Britain. It becomes clear that sympathies for terrorist acts are very rare, yet some individuals expressed strong support for serious acts. The prevalence of sympathies is equivalent to that found in the study of Muslim Americans [17] but much lower than found in Muslim majority countries [15], [16].

Two hypotheses have previously been proposed to explain sympathies for radicalisation. [14] First that social and health inequalities, poverty and discrimination, coupled with poor social networks, poor social capital and unemployment produce grievances. Secondly, that sympathies for radicalisation, are part of the radicalisation process, and their emergence is entirely a political process shaped by those in more influential positions and not related to health problems, poor socio-economic status, or mental health problems. [30] No previous UK based study has attempted to investigate the relationship between depressive and anxiety symptoms and sympathies for radicalisation and terrorism in a British Muslim sample; measuring anxiety and depressive symptoms is also important as these are known to be associated with suicidal ideas, poor health and premature mortality. [46], [47] The study showed that poor health or adverse experiences were not influential in radicalisation. This study does not support the view that sympathies for terrorist acts develop as a result of grievance related poor health (physical and mental) and social inequalities, or poor education or a lack of political engagement.

The trends suggest that people in education and high earners were more likely to support radical acts; this may reflect accident proneness and risk taking behaviour more generally, or this sub-group may have much in common with gang members who commit violent acts. [48] We did not have a measure of exposure to war and conflict, which may be important in radicalisation, however, we did assess life events including death, and assault and we also assessed recent injuries resulting in hospital visits. The association with recent injuries fell short of significance, and post hoc analysis of individual events showed that only those who had contact with the criminal justice agencies were more likely to show sympathies (OR = 23.45, 1.49–368.29), whilst loss events (job, friend) appeared not to show associations. Future studies should include detailed inventories of personality and risk-taking. However, screening of those who attend emergency departments is not justified. Those not reported poor health and those born in the UK showed greater levels of sympathy for terrorist acts and might be considered vulnerable to radicalising forces. Why poor health is associated with less support for radical causes remains unclear; perhaps illnesses and the limitations of functioning become the focus everyday lives, although the relationship is a complex one. Future work might establish the direction of these relationships and measure health status more objectively, and include detailed personality inventories to assess the role of crime, gang membership and personality disorders.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0090718

[Heathen Hammer]

The claim that extremism stems from poverty is false, since we have examples of nations like Saudi Arabia that are rich because of oil, but nevertheless Saudi Arabia is basically world's main terrorism capital.
In the same way muslim immigrants in UK, France and Sweden are quite privileged and in certain aspects get treated better then native population of those nations, yet their communities remain a hotbed of religious fundamentalism. The issue is that such communities tend to exist as parallel societies, where immigrants do not integrate into society of nations even in second or third generation, retaining their culture and its barbaric aspects that we constitute as extremism.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Sorry, what have outdated studies from economists about Libanon, Pakistan and Israel from 2005 and older to do with the current situation in France?

Nothing.

Its nothing more as a try to portrait muslims worldwide as a hive mind popluation like the Zergs, who behave worldwide after exactly the same pattern.

Social pseudo-science.

[AqD]

In the same way muslim immigrants in UK, France and Sweden are quite privileged and in certain aspects get treated better then native population of those nations,

How are they treated better? Have crimes unreported or higher priority of receiving social welfare?

[Heathen Hammer]

Sorry, what have outdated studies from economists about Libanon, Pakistan and Israel from 2005 and older to do with the current situation in France?

Nothing.

Its nothing more as a try to portrait muslims worldwide as a hive mind popluation like the Zergs, who behave worldwide after exactly the same pattern.

Social pseudo-science.

The reality is that there is no correlation between poverty and extremism. Plenty of Gulf states that export muslim terrorism are very rich, and muslim immigrant communities in Europe embrace muslim extremism despite their privileged status.
this is also supported by examples of extremism in the past as well. For example French Revolutionaries and Lenin's Bolshevicks (who were basically in their time were what ISIS is in our time) all stemmed from upper-class backgrounds, including nobility.

How are they treated better? Have crimes unreported or higher priority of receiving social welfare?

Basically. In countries like UK you can even go to jail for merely mocking Islam.

[AqD]

Basically. In countries like UK you can even go to jail for merely mocking Islam.

That's hypocrisy, not benefits or privilege.

IMO daydreaming about what the society should be and hypocrisy in implementation have been the biggest source of current troubles.

We cry when we see dying people are refused help, and we cry again when we actually have to live with those people.

There is no real acceptance or multiculturalism and the supposed tolerance of other culture or religion is just a big lie - after all why would the most advanced societies want to import any ideas from the least developed ones? or people who have killed nearly all aspects of their own religion to live with those medieval practices again?

Trying to apply our standard to every humans when we live in a completely different world than the rest is nothing but ignorant, and it's worse to believe we're doing the right thing, as if other societies or humans can be upgraded from 0AD to 21st century in a blink (and by laughing and insulting them, apparently).



And yes this is probably against the purpose of UN and the whole humanitarian bs.

[Heathen Hammer]

That's hypocrisy, not benefits or privilege.

IMO daydreaming about what the society should be and hypocrisy in implementation have been the biggest source of current troubles.

We cry when we see dying people are refused help, and we cry again when we actually have to live with those people.

There is no real acceptance or multiculturalism and the supposed tolerance of other culture or religion is just a big lie - after all why would the most advanced societies want to import any ideas from the least developed ones? or people who have killed nearly all aspects of their own religion to live with those medieval practices again?

Trying to apply our standard to every humans when we live in a completely different world than the rest is nothing but ignorant, and it's worse to believe we're doing the right thing, as if other societies or humans can be upgraded from 0AD to 21st century in a blink.

People who benefit from hypocrisy are still privileged.
The problem is the fact that the ideology of ruling elites of the West is simply divorced from reality and based on archaic 1700s egalitarian notions that flourished among rich nobility of its era. Essentially it is easy to preach tolerance and multiculturalism for members of rich upper crust, when they are separated from consequences of their ideology, such is crime rates, violence against women and islamic terrorism.