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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    This is exactly what the "fight" against CRT will lead to. Teaching about MLK Jr and the civil rights movement is now too emotionally traumatic? Conservatives seem pretty hell bent on destroying education in the US.
    The complaint seemed to be focused on children allegedly being exposed to graphic, age inappropriate lessons and improper framing. There wasn't any suggestion that "teaching about MLK Jr and the civil rights movement" should be banned.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The complaint seemed to be focused on children allegedly being exposed to graphic, age inappropriate lessons and improper framing. There wasn't any suggestion that "teaching about MLK Jr and the civil rights movement" should be banned.
    What material was too graphic and who determines whats age appropriate? I learned about the Holocaust in elementary. Is that an example too of something age inappropriate?

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    I would think the crucification of Jesus is much more drastic for kids than MLK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    What material was too graphic and who determines whats age appropriate?
    The complaint includes an extensive list of grievances with examples. Having not investigated the program, I don't know whether these grievances have any basis in fact. As mentioned, they appear to be focused on allegations of improper framing and age inappropriate material rather than an opposition to teaching about civil rights or MLK. The complainants actually say that the program is "an affront to the ideals of MLK Jr".

    I learned about the Holocaust in elementary. Is that an example too of something age inappropriate?
    Of course not. Though it would certainly be possible to teach that subject in an age inappropriate way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The complaint includes an extensive list of grievances with examples. Having not investigated the program, I don't know whether these grievances have any basis in fact. As mentioned, they appear to be focused on allegations of improper framing and age inappropriate material rather than an opposition to teaching about civil rights or MLK. The complainants actually say that the program is "an affront to the ideals of MLK Jr".
    So no examples just the word of a group who has determined on their opinion that these lessons were inappropriate for the kid's ages?



    Of course not. Though it would certainly be possible to teach that subject in an age inappropriate way.
    Examples of this being what? I dissected pig lungs in 5th grade. I'm real curious to hear what's age inappropriate.

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    So no examples just the word of a group who has determined on their opinion that these lessons were inappropriate for the kid's ages?
    The examples (taken from the program) are cited in the complaint.

    Examples of this being what? I dissected pig lungs in 5th grade. I'm real curious to hear what's age inappropriate.
    It isn't hard to imagine the sort of material from the Holocaust (graphic footage/photographs/accounts) that would be inappropriate for 7 year olds. Some of it is difficult for adults.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The examples (taken from the program) are cited in the complaint.
    None of the examples are specific in nature. Generic examples based on opinion.

    It isn't hard to imagine the sort of material from the Holocaust (graphic footage/photographs/accounts) that would be inappropriate for 7 year olds. Some of it is difficult for adults.
    And I'll ask again. Who determines whats age appropriate? I could easily argue a 7 year old is old enough to see a picture that might be graphic in nature. The same 7 year olds who already have access to graphic content such as violent video games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    None of the examples are specific in nature. Generic examples based on opinion.
    The complainants do offer specific examples from the material. Whether those examples prove their case is self-evidently a matter of opinion. Though as I mentioned in my first response, the complainants don't appear to be making the argument that civil rights history should be removed from the classroom.

    And I'll ask again. Who determines whats age appropriate? I could easily argue a 7 year old is old enough to see a picture that might be graphic in nature. The same 7 year olds who already have access to graphic content such as violent video games.
    Presumably the relevant local authority for education determines what is appropriate/legal. That doesn't mean they are not subject to challenge. In this case, it looks like the Department of Education for TN has rejected the complaint.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The complainants do offer specific examples from the material. Whether those examples prove their case is self-evidently a matter of opinion. Though as I mentioned in my first response, the complainants don't appear to be making the argument that civil rights history should be removed from the classroom.
    Except they don't. In your own words the complaint deals with age inappropriate material and and improper framing. It does not describe how the lession was framed improperly nor what material was that presented that as inappropriate.

    As for your last statement, not one person here has stated they wanted civil rights out of the classroom. Don't know why you mention it.


    Presumably the relevant local authority for education determines what is appropriate/legal. That doesn't mean they are not subject to challenge. In this case, it looks like the Department of Education for TN has rejected the complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Except they don't. In your own words the complaint deals with age inappropriate material and and improper framing. It does not describe how the lession was framed improperly nor what material was that presented that as inappropriate.

    As for your last statement, not one person here has stated they wanted civil rights out of the classroom. Don't know why you mention it.
    It is explicitly stated in the cited article (which was used as the basis for the initial post on this topic):

    The group further alleged that teaching children anything about the civil rights movement should be banned.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-group-tries-save-elementary-160300057.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/tennessee...160300057.html





    This is exactly what the "fight" against CRT will lead to. Teaching about MLK Jr and the civil rights movement is now too emotionally traumatic? Conservatives seem pretty hell bent on destroying education in the US.
    Rightwing snowflakes. Should teachers in the USA now include MORE trigger-word warnings? "For our non-white people, we warn you that next class about the post-war period in the USA will mention racism and discrimination. For the white people we warn you that the next class will also mention the Civil rights."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    It is explicitly stated in the cited article (which was used as the basis for the initial post on this topic):





    Panic over.
    They mention children, not classrooms nor all classrooms. Do try and actually read what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Rightwing snowflakes. Should teachers in the USA now include MORE trigger-word warnings? "For our non-white people, we warn you that next class about the post-war period in the USA will mention racism and discrimination. For the white people we warn you that the next class will also mention the Civil rights."

    I know you're joking, but I honestly won't be surprised when the right starts claiming it's CRT (and Communism of course) to teach history in a way that portrays slavery in a negative light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    I know you're joking, but I honestly won't be surprised when the right starts claiming it's CRT (and Communism of course) to teach history in a way that portrays slavery in a negative light.
    I will be very surprised because the Republicans fought a war to end it.
    I mean, it's not a Rightwing issue. USA rightwings fought to save Jews from the Holocaust and before that fought Spain to liberate Philipines etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    I will be very surprised because the Republicans fought a war to end it.
    I mean, it's not a Rightwing issue. USA rightwings fought to save Jews from the Holocaust
    The Republican party of the civil war was very different from the Republican party of World War II, which in turn was different than the Republican party of today. It's also important to note that for most of it's history, the Democrats were the conservative party. The shift began with FDR and finished in the 80s.

    before that fought Spain to liberate Philipines etc.
    Actually the US fought Spain to colonize the Philippines for itself. Puerto Rico as well, and even though Cuba was liberated, it was still subject to American military occupations, coups, and puppet governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    The problem is that teachers acting like activists. You are allowed to have political creed/religion/sexual orientation that you like, but if you want to be seen as professional, its best to leave your religion/creed/sexuality at home, otherwise you get Karens at the gates, and deservedly so. He was paid to do a job, not to use his job as a pulpit for his beliefs.
    Unfortunately, the more teachers "go off the reservation" and stray from educational standards to insert their own political viewpoints into their lessons, the harder the state and administrators clamp down on the teachers to ensure they adhere to the curriculum. This ultimately makes life more miserable for teachers and takes away the freedom which they do have to lead their lessons as they'd like, even if they never intended to make their class into a political diatribe.

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    Tell we're not calling this Cultural Fascism like that other brainlet theory? Next there'll be a Youtube-proven, Wikipedia confirmed alt-history that proves the Nazis something something America, therefore OrAnGe mAn?

    Some of these Karen movements have to be false flag ops, surely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    I will be very surprised because the Republicans fought a war to end it.
    I mean, it's not a Rightwing issue. USA rightwings fought to save Jews from the Holocaust and before that fought Spain to liberate Philipines etc.
    Actually, many "USA rightwings" were Nazi sympathizers and anti-Semites. And irontaino is correct on everything he posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilon View Post
    Actually, many "USA rightwings" were Nazi sympathizers and anti-Semites.
    The more important part is that identity politics and by extension racism itself has always been more of a Democrat thing. FDR's government threw wads of cash (they took from starving American taxpayers) at Hitler's military-industrial complex, while brutally repressing ethnic minorities. Then fast forward into Cold War, LBJ saw potential in using them as cannon fodder in Vietnam, so he pushed for "desegregation", while spouting things that would make /pol/ look like a multicultural diversity board. Now we have people that were Jim Crow almost less then a generation ago pretending to be "anti-racist". Heck, the current sitting vegetable-in-chief called black people "suprepredators" and called areas with them "racial jungle". And that wasn't that long ago, literally 70s and 80s.
    Republicans, on the other hand, have always distanced themselves from identity politics, but while trying to root out communism across the globe they missed communist shills infiltrating academia and media.
    But yeah, racism has always been more prevalent on the left then on the right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    The more important part is that identity politics and by extension racism itself has always been more of a Democrat thing. FDR's government threw wads of cash (they took from starving American taxpayers) at Hitler's military-industrial complex, while brutally repressing ethnic minorities. Then fast forward into Cold War, LBJ saw potential in using them as cannon fodder in Vietnam, so he pushed for "desegregation", while spouting things that would make /pol/ look like a multicultural diversity board. Now we have people that were Jim Crow almost less then a generation ago pretending to be "anti-racist". Heck, the current sitting vegetable-in-chief called black people "suprepredators" and called areas with them "racial jungle". And that wasn't that long ago, literally 70s and 80s.
    Republicans, on the other hand, have always distanced themselves from identity politics, but while trying to root out communism across the globe they missed communist shills infiltrating academia and media.
    But yeah, racism has always been more prevalent on the left then on the right.
    Of course, both of the major parties have changed what they represent over time. So you are certainly correct that historically, the Democratic Party was the party of Southern segregationists and the GOP the party that challenged segregation. But after the civil rights era ended, the GOP deliberately sought to realign themselves with southern conservatives specifically using identity politics (read: including former segregationists) - and is something which the party has since acknowledged and apologised for.
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