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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    Even though Kremlin did not show any signs of direct disrespect, head of Russia Today and chief of Russian propaganda Margarita Simonyan (she is Armenian herself) keeps arrogantly relating new political power in Armenia to Soros and US in general and keep on having huge confrontations with prime minister. Knowing that anything she says can't be far from what Kremlin thinks, you get the point.
    Not only is this quite the leap, it clearly illustrates an ignorance as to how either states in general and state sponsored media function.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    You are the one here with the unwillingness to clarify your view about who is the Agressor and who is Defending. In my Opinion Azerbaijan has the right to take his occupied territories back aswell an small territory from Armenia to connect Nakhchivan to his Mainland as compensation from the Rogue State Armenia which starts always the Agression in that Region and also occupying since 30 Years Azerbaijans territory.
    omg the intellectual disconnect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Those who call for "diplomatic" solution have absolutely no viable suggestion. Peacefully solve how? There are two ways that this ends without a conflict, either Karabakh is unconditionally returned to Azerbaijan, or the Armenian authority in Karabakh agrees to be an autonomous region of Azerbaijan, allowing dislocated Azerbaijanis to return and Azerbaijani administrations and military to take control in exchange of a series of guarentees for the Armenian population
    Oh great, glad to see this. I'm confident that you're also advocating for Armenian lands to be returned to the Armenians by the Turks? Or does your stance on ethnic displacement+genocide entirely depend on whether it's your side doing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post

    I wonder how Israel will behave too: does Netanyahu feel the inertia because of the recent normalisations? I'm sure this isn't Erdogan craftily upsetting Israel by baiting them into the Caucasus...
    Unfortunately Israel is mostly on Azerbaijan's side in this conflict, for a number of reasons, and there have already surfaced reports of an Azeri plane coming to Israel during this recent flare up to stock up on Israeli weapons, which Azerbaijan is a major buyer of. Azerbaijan is largely a very secular country (think pre-Erdogan Turkey) and its hostility to Iran (despite being nominally a Shiite country) makes it a natural ally for Israel, meanwhile Armenia's warm relations with Iran achieve the opposite. This is a rare case of Turkey and Israel being on the same side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Oh great, glad to see this. I'm confident that you're also advocating for Armenian lands to be returned to the Armenians by the Turks? Or does your stance on ethnic displacement+genocide entirely depend on whether it's your side doing it?
    What a silly argument to make, of course he believes national borders to be paramount and something to be preserved, which is of course the position of the Turkish state. Like imagine if Turkey invaded some country and founded a puppet regime on its territory that is mainly inhabited by people of its primary ethnic group that no other country in the world recognised and kept a military presence within it to secure its survival. How very silly.
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    Oh right, Turkey would never do that.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cyprus
    ... ok not more than once...
    https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...ext-gaza-strip
    uh dang it!!!!!!

    Turkey better give Cyprus and Syria some land as reparations!
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    Default Re: Azerbaijan-Armenia war over Nagorno Karabakh

    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    Love Mountain, I agree with what you said but Azeri as attacking side taking big losses, they can't attack with such force for too long.

    Another piece of Armenian propaganda.
    It is fantastic time for Libyan tourists to visit Azerbaijan, is not it?

    Are the Azeri's taking big losses? They've been using a lot of drones to take on Armenian forces and drones are easy to come by nowadays. I know the Azeris have been making a lot of use of out Israeli Harop drones and those things are outright designed to be used and destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Mountain View Post

    1. Are you saying that Turkey is incapable of getting mercenaries to fight for Azerbaijan in a potential conflict against Armenia?
    2. Just because Azerbaijan doesn't "need" whatever, doesn't mean they're going to say no.

    Why should Azerbaijan risk his legitimate recognized right over his own territory by doing something like that? Of course they would say no. But how it comes Armenia is welcoming any support from Iran.

    Reasons why Azerbaijan does not need any kind of irregular militia support:

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    It really does not look like that they are the side here which is lacking any kind of Military Resources.


    Nearly two Months ago Armenia provocated and attacked intentionally in the northern Tavush region Azerbaijan which is clearly not Nagorno-Karabakh region. Even this shows how Armenia is trying to imply as victim while it is clearly here the provocative actor.


    Source:

    https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1282317478824235008
    https://ria.ru/20200713/1574261112.html

    We had on a different Topic a discussion about that Issue and some known guys are blaming how incompetent Azeri-Turkish Military was because of the losses on Azeri Side on a region which even not be considered as a Hot-Zone from Azeri-Turkish view. So please don´t came up with the idea and blame the Azeri Side as provocative your posts are still around there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    omg the intellectual disconnect.
    If you have zero clue about the History of Azerbaijan + modern Armenia and how they got founded or even their young History under the Soviet Union then i should be careful with such a behaviour which you are presenting in this Thread.
    Last edited by Nebaki; September 30, 2020 at 08:15 AM.

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    So far there have been little close contact between the two sides. Both sides are striking each other from a difference. Any kind of mercenary, unless they're of artillery class, is useless so far.

    Question to Syrian mercenary crowd: if Turkey is transporting Syrian mercenaries in a commercial flight why is the plane landing in a civilian airport furthest away from the front? Meanwhile, Azerbaijan has a military base much closer to the front lines at Kyurdamir Air Base. There are many civilian airports close to the front lines as well. Keep in mind, the claim that a Turkish F-16 shot down an Armenian jet also accompanied with the claim that F-16 came from Ganja airport which is known to be a civilian only airport. This airport is the second largest in Azerbaijan and its much closer to Karabakh than Baku is.
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    https://www.voanews.com/extremism-wa...ers-azerbaijan


    SOHR also claiming rebels were sent to Azerbaijan. And an apparent commander in the SNA.
    Last edited by Vanoi; September 30, 2020 at 08:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Are the Azeri's taking big losses? They've been using a lot of drones to take on Armenian forces and drones are easy to come by nowadays. I know the Azeris have been making a lot of use of out Israeli Harop drones and those things are outright designed to be used and destroyed.
    True, drones have been main threat many of them are Turkish ones, they called Bayraktar, but the actual lines of defense in the fields are almost unbreakable. Azerbaijan rhetoric is all about freeing occupied territory, so obviously they taking way more losses. Armenia defense military has reported that overall intensity of fighting is getting lower and it is not wonder why.

    To this date official losses of Azerie side which ministry of defense reports are next:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    If you have zero clue about the History of Azerbaijan + modern Armenia and how they got founded or even their young History under the Soviet Union then i should be careful with such a behaviour which you are presenting in this Thread.
    Nice projection. I'm fairly aware of it.
    On 4. Juli 1921 the Soviets, drawing the first borders of today's Armenia and Azerbaijan, declared Arzakh to be part of the Armenian SSR. Reason: 94% Armenian population.

    On then comes another Caucasian with the nickname Stalin, changing this border along with so many others, making Arzakh part of Azerbaijan. The people there don't want to be part of Azerbaijan. Throughout the many decades of the USSR, the people kept petitioning for a reassignment, but only achieved the status of an autonomous region within the Azerbaijani SSR.
    In 1987, at the earliest possible moment during Gorbachevs democratisation, these petitions were repeated, marking one of the earliest uses of Glasnost, but the petitions were once more dismissed by the Soviet central leadership.

    When Azerbaijan later declared independence, Azakh immediately followed suit. WITHIN 3 DAYS!

    Furthermore, their secession was covered by Soviet law.

    If Arzakh is illegitimate, then so is Azerbaijan.


    But go on. Keep telling everyone they are ignorant to avoid having to present any argument or evidence of your own. Keep ignoring the painfully obviously intellectual disconnect. Your position is best described by: If standards are good, then double standards are twice as good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Nice projection. I'm fairly aware of it.
    I love how you skip the part before and starting with sovietization like ignoring that there was nothing something like Azerbaijan before.

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    People in that Region also spoke Azeri-turkish and not like being 94% made of Armenians. You are clearly ignoring here victims of Azeri side which was caused by the armenian aggression and even being massacred and forced to leave their Homes.

    Let´s not forget about Azeris in southern-Azerbaijan which is still occupied by Iran.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post

    But go on. Keep telling everyone they are ignorant to avoid having to present any argument or evidence of your own. Keep ignoring the painfully obviously intellectual disconnect. Your position is best described by: If standards are good, then double standards are twice as good!
    About your fantasy country of Arzakh i have nothing to say even that shows how ignorant you are in this Issue and keep presenting and drawing things as you like. Arzakh or whatever you call is nothing else then Soviet-armenian policy of dividing Azerbaijan and even massacring and deporting people from their Homes.

    This is nothing else then todays armenian excuse of occupying that region illegally:

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    Look at this flag with just some random stripes/tile on that they decleare that they are different? from who? armenians?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookiegod View Post
    Not only is this quite the leap, it clearly illustrates an ignorance as to how either states in general and state sponsored media function.
    omg the intellectual disconnect.
    Oh great, glad to see this. I'm confident that you're also advocating for Armenian lands to be returned to the Armenians by the Turks? Or does your stance on ethnic displacement+genocide entirely depend on whether it's your side doing it?
    My stance on ethnic displacement mainly revolves around whether if it's a fresh issue that is still part of an ongoing tension or not. The displacement of Azerbaijanis from Karabakh is a part of this ongoing conflict, and rationally, it can contribute to the possible solution, it is that aspect that makes is relevant. I don't advocate for the return of displaced Azerbaijanis to mainland Armenia, as it doesn't have the same diplomatic relevance. Was it clear enough? Less of that childish attempts of derailing please, this isn't youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    True, drones have been main threat many of them are Turkish ones, they called Bayraktar, but the actual lines of defense in the fields are almost unbreakable. Azerbaijan rhetoric is all about freeing occupied territory, so obviously they taking way more losses. Armenia defense military has reported that overall intensity of fighting is getting lower and it is not wonder why.

    To this date official losses of Azerie side which ministry of defense reports are next:
    If they advance in they'll take heavy losses. From what i have read its mostly Azeris and Armenians shooting at each other with rockets, drones, artillery, and aircraft.

    To me at least if the Azeris wanted to break through they could simply keep hitting and softening up Armenian positions so Azeri forces could advance. And right now the Armenians are having a ton of trouble even dealing with the drones.

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    BBC News is another fake news is reporting about people being transferred to Azerbaijan from Syria. This story is sad, no sarcasm. Poor people have been promised to have good job as security workers and to be paid 2000$ per month. Week later they have realized they have been lied to...

    https://www.bbc.com/arabic/middleeast-54346711

    On a positive notes. Unstoppable Azeri forces are destroying 2 cardboards "Osa" and reporting it as success!


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    Meanwhile, the Russian Foreign ministry seems to believe the "lie" that Syrian and Lybian mercs are deployed by Turkey in Azerbaijan:

    https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/en/20...ern-over-syria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    BBC News is another fake news is reporting about people being transferred to Azerbaijan from Syria.

    https://www.bbc.com/arabic/middleeast-54346711
    Did you already fell so deep that you now using BBC ARABIC as a Source? Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    On a positive notes. Unstoppable Azeri forces are destroying 2 cardboards "Osa" and reporting it as success!
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    Your People are using Human-Wave Tactics to counter Azeri Weaponry until someone like Russia will intervene - Wake up!

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    Default Re: Azerbaijan-Armenia war over Nagorno Karabakh

    https://www.syriahr.com/en/186230/

    If Syrian rebels are in Azerbaijan they been there since before the actual conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://www.syriahr.com/en/186230/
    If Syrian rebels are in Azerbaijan they been there since before the actual conflict.
    That article seems to be dependent on the Guardian article which in turn is solely dependent on testimonies of two random Syrians. It's no coincidence that the picture your link presents is not from that security firm but from the military drill conducted by Turkey and Azerbaijan last month. They do not bother to label it accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebaki View Post
    I love how you skip the part before and starting with sovietization like ignoring that there was nothing something like Azerbaijan before.

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    People in that Region also spoke Azeri-turkish and not like being 94% made of Armenians. You are clearly ignoring here victims of Azeri side which was caused by the armenian aggression and even being massacred and forced to leave their Homes.
    And the map clearly marks all of the territory discussed as disputed, and they were disputed because Azerbaijan had no control over them, including Nagorno-Karabakh which was controlled by Armenia through the Karabakh council.

    Let´s not forget about Azeris in southern-Azerbaijan which is still occupied by Iran.
    This alone shows your lack of knowledge. When did Iran occupy said territory, and how did it happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    That article seems to be dependent on the Guardian article which in turn is solely dependent on testimonies of two random Syrians. It's no coincidence that the picture your link presents is not from that security firm but from the military drill conducted by Turkey and Azerbaijan last month. They do not bother to label it accordingly.
    I posted another source earlier from VOA where a SNA commander said the same thing.

    https://www.voanews.com/extremism-wa...azerbaijan?amp

    Ziad Hajj Obeid a commander with the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army, told Rudaw TV, a Kurdish TV channel in Iraqi Kurdistan, on Monday that there are two reasons Syrian rebels are driven to join the fight in Azerbaijan.

    “Obviously, some went to Azerbaijan for financial incentives, but others made the decision out of a sense of duty towards our Turkish allies,” Obeid said, adding that “Turkey has been our main supporter in Syria, and we’re simply returning the favor.”
    I looked up Ziad Hajj Obeid. He is in fact a rebel commander.

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ial-operation-

    Thats an article from 6 years ago describing Ziad Hajj Obeid and his men battling goverment forces in Aleppo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    And the map clearly marks all of the territory discussed as disputed, and they were disputed because Azerbaijan had no control over them
    Wrong Armenia invaded these territory thats why it´s been showed off as disputed but some people are like to interprete the view of both side and not someones likes on this Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    This alone shows your lack of knowledge. When did Iran occupy said territory, and how did it happen?
    Someone else already came with that against my person in this Thread, how it comes now you teamed up? In case of Southern Azerbaijan:

    http://gamoh.org/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_(Iran)

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