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    Quote Originally Posted by goro View Post
    Because others are making propaganda you have to make propaganda then . Glad you cleared that out.
    I didn´t said that and here is clearly your problem.
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    I did not just used one Source, beside that i don´t even need to mention that when since first on this Threads are already someone is taking serious steps for armenian Propaganda under this Thread while ignoring totally the part of Azerbaijan
    Your words not mine.
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    There is gold in that province, hmm interesting. Small population, also interesting. Free real estate?

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    The subject of the thread is the current crisis in Nagorno-Qarabagh, neither your interlocutor nor Greece. Please respect the topic of the discussion or otherwise infractions may follow.

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    Perhaps due to the immense losses on the battlefield for Azerbaijan as well as mounting international pressure, the border has been relatively stable and quiet for a good amount of time.

    After several calls of the int'l community to immediately cease hostilities in the NK conflict zone, the night passed relatively calmly at the border. In case of further escalations, the entire responsibility will be borne by the military-political leadership of Azerbaijan. - Armenian Ministry of Defense Press Secretary Shushan Stepanyan
    I pray that the fighting stops to prevent further loss of life.
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    It was claimed that Azerbaijan did not allow foreign journalists in the country to report on the conflict. For the record, here is Catherine Norris-Trent who have been reporting from the Azeri side for France24.
    The Armenian Issue

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    Russians seems to have confirmed the presence of jihadi elements in the conflict.
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
    Marx to A.Ruge

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    this is what happens when a middle swing power state (turkey) is allowed to instigate conflict in the caucasus; because the anglo americans want turks to fight russians so will allow them to get away with like this.

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    Unfortunately it is true.

    According to the information available in the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia, mercenaries from the international terrorist organizations fighting in the Middle East, in particular Jabhat al-Nusra, Firkat al-Hamza, Sultan Murad, as well as extremist Kurdish groups, are actively pulling into the Karabakh conflict zone.


    We are talking about hundreds and even thousands of radicals hoping to make money on the new Karabakh war.
    Director of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin.

    Besides that, 2 planes have arrived to Baku from Pakistan today.

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    This deserves a separate post. I don't think anything can better indicate what state of mind these people and country has. Uber cringe laugh guarantied.

    Azerbaijan military releases bizarre heavy metal song amid clash with Armenia.
    https://nypost.com/2020/10/02/azerba...v9_lKj3csrNHLA

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    Turkey's catastrophic foreign policy is not simply a symptom of an incapable policy-maker cadre, it is mainly because Turkey is right now literally guided by the vision of 10% (graywolves) + 0.1 % (Eurasianist elite) that have a warmongering, expansionist, anti-democratic stance.

    Both in and outside our country, the institutions that make a state are being eroded. And the short-sighted vision of nationalists who are incapable of critical thinking due to their desire to outmatch each other's nationalism has created a society where you can literally debate nothing. Any voice that presents an alternative is deemed a national security issue.

    We are truly headed down a dark path. We have completely alienated the West by our internal destruction of democracy and our aggressive attitude. This gave Russia hope that they can use us. But now we are becoming a major problem for Russia as well.

    There are two possibilities with Russia now:
    - They will see Turkey as powerful actor and trade positions with regards to Ukranie-Crimea(where we have deep military ties now), Libya-Tobruk government, Idlib-Assad issue, Hasaka-Kurdish issue and now finally Karabakh-Armenia issue.
    - Alternatively, Russia will go truly mad and take an aggressive position in all these issues completely cornering Turkey if they believe they have the capability.

    * some Russian think-tanks have also voiced concerns over use of Sunni-Islamists soooo close to Russian Caucasian mountains, literally one of the biggest horrors of the Russian bear, and a potential turn towards pan-Turkism under the Eurasian+Gray Wolf influence....which is apparently a potential threat to Russian territorial integrity.

    Meanwhile, the West, especially the USA foreign policy is having a field day. They probably would not have been able to use Turkey this much against Russia had they been in good relations with us.
    IMO, the West should use this to weaken both dictatorial regimes as much as possible and using the opportunity to solve many regional disputes throughout Eurasia.
    Last edited by dogukan; October 06, 2020 at 01:41 PM.
    "Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
    Marx to A.Ruge

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    The moment a bazaar (mostly evacuated) was hit in Ganja, Azerbaijan was caught on tape. This is the "airport" Armenians seems to be claiming to destroy.

    France24 reporting from Tartar, Azerbaijan:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    This deserves a separate post. I don't think anything can better indicate what state of mind these people and country has. Uber cringe laugh guarantied.

    Azerbaijan military releases bizarre heavy metal song amid clash with Armenia.
    https://nypost.com/2020/10/02/azerba...v9_lKj3csrNHLA
    I see that you're unfamiliar with Yugoslav war music.
    Not bad tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardano View Post
    This deserves a separate post. I don't think anything can better indicate what state of mind these people and country has. Uber cringe laugh guarantied.

    Azerbaijan military releases bizarre heavy metal song amid clash with Armenia.
    https://nypost.com/2020/10/02/azerba...v9_lKj3csrNHLA
    Pretty good actually. Good looking people.

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    I like how people pick a side and start arguing for that side's perspective. It's like sports, with death.

    This conflict is trash.
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    An excellent summary utilizing entirely third party sources:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...gHWwqmZ0DADxUo

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    1) Azerbaijan unilaterally launched a massive attack on the Armenian-populated Republic of Artsakh.In a September 27 interview, Thomas De Waal, arguably the foremost third-party scholar on the conflict, said “Armenians don’t have an incentive in starting fighting…The side that has an interest in military activity is the Azerbaijani side.”
    In the words of the Brookings Institution’s Pavel Baev, Azerbaijan “tim[ed] the offensive to minimize attention” and “has been preparing for a new war, meticulously investing plenty of its petro-revenues into equipping its armed forces with modern weapons.”

    2) Azerbaijan has an overwhelming military advantage.
    Oil-rich Azerbaijan has a population of 10 million and a GDP of $47 billion. Landlocked Armenia has a population of 3 million and a GDP of $12 billion. Azerbaijan spends six times more than Armenia on its military and enjoys massive air and artillery superiority. In addition to its sheer quantitative advantage in terms of armaments, Azerbaijan also possesses a far more advanced arsenal. For example, the Azerbaijani Armed Forces wield a fleet of the latest Israeli drones, highlighted by kamikaze-style “loitering munitions,” which can linger for hours before discovering and destroying targets.

    3) Azerbaijan enjoys open Turkish assistance.
    Turkey and Azerbaijan share close linguistic and religious ties. Turkey—a nation of 83 million with a GDP of almost $800 billion—is unambiguously involved in the military operations against Armenia. Since July, Turkey has redoubled its material support for “brother Azerbaijan”—providing drones and transforming Azerbaijan’s “self-confidence,” in the words of retired general Ismail Hakki Pekin. This is an alarming escalation by the state that committed the Armenian Genocide.
    4) Azerbaijan is bolstered by thousands of Syrian fighters deployed by Turkey.
    At least 1,000 Turkish-deployed Syrian fighters are assisting Azerbaijan, a reality confirmed by sources ranging from CNN to Fox News—along with Reuters, the Guardian, and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Some of the Syrian fighters appear to be linked to ISIS and other jihadist groups, while others are apparently coerced and exploited.

    5) Azerbaijan continues to systematically shell civilian targets of no military significance.
    The Armenian city of Stepanakert, far from the front line, is suffering ongoing and indiscriminate artillery bombardment, as reported by Sky News and the BBC. Third-party observers, including Amnesty International, have now confirmed that Azerbaijan is using widely-condemned cluster munitions against civilians.
    Azerbaijan claims that Artsakh forfeited its right to complain when its strike on an airbase caused damage in civilian areas. But this single militarily-focused attack, which occurred after Azerbaijan began bombarding Stepanakert, cannot compare to the days-long, indiscriminate destruction Baku has unleashed on Armenian civilians.
    6) Artsakh’s population is overwhelmingly Armenian and has been since reliable records were first kept.
    According to a 1994 report prepared for the U.S. Army by the Federal Research Division, as of 1924, 94.4 percent of Nagorno-Karabakh’s population was Armenian. Since then, the same report claims, this proportion has never since declined below 76 percent.
    7) Artsakh has legitimately expressed its desire for independence.
    On December 10, 1991, the people of Artsakh passed a referendum in favor of independence from the Soviet Union, and their leaders officially declared independence on January 6, 1992. This is the same way Azerbaijan itself established independence at the end of 1991.
    8) Azerbaijan has a record of killing Armenians under its administration and destroying Armenian heritage within its territory.
    Between 1988 and 1990, the Azerbaijani public committed gruesome pogroms against their Armenian neighbors. In the words of a veteran Soviet journalist, “Men, women and children, the young and the old alike, were attacked and often killed because they were Armenians. That alone—to be Armenian in Azerbaijan—was a virtual sentence of death.”
    In 2005, the mayor of Baku told a delegation of visiting Germans, “Our goal is the complete elimination of Armenians. You, Nazis, already eliminated the Jews in the 1930s and 40s, right? You should be able to understand us.’’
    Also, in 2005, Azerbaijani Army Lieutenant Ramil Safarov used an axe to murder his sleeping Armenian classmate at a training academy in Hungary. Safarov returned to Azerbaijan in 2012, where he was welcomed with a military promotion, adoring crowds, a free apartment, and a special pension.
    In 2016, Azerbaijan briefly captured an Armenian-populated village in Artsakh, torturing and executing the elderly residents who remained.
    Azerbaijan’s proven record of destruction extends to cultural heritage. In Nakhichevan—a historically Armenian province under Azerbaijani control—authorities have deliberately destroyed thousands of UNESCO-protected Armenian monuments and at least eighty-nine churches. There is little reason to expect that the hundreds of historic Armenian churches and monuments in Artsakh, some of which date to the first millennium, would fare better.
    9) The United States has no reason to support Azerbaijan.
    Although Armenia is not a member of NATO, Yerevan is the fifth-largest NATO contributor per capita, with its troops still supporting the United States in Afghanistan. Since 2018, Armenia has made internationally-celebrated progress with electoral integrity, rule of law, and eliminating corruption.
    Azerbaijan’s lobbyists in Washington, DC portray their employer as a bulwark against Russia and Iran, but Azerbaijan enjoys extensive military cooperation with both countries. Meanwhile, Azerbaijan’s brutally corrupt and authoritarian leaders routinely accuse the United States of supporting terrorism and imperialism.
    10) The United States can help end the violence.
    The United States possesses special leverage and special responsibility toward the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict. Along with France and Russia, it serves as a co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group, the multilateral organization established to mediate the dispute. But observers agree that American disengagement has fueled the current conflict, offering impunity to Azerbaijan.
    The United States currently provides Azerbaijan with over $100 million in annual military aid. It also holds important bargaining chips with NATO-member Turkey. By using this influence to demand an end to hostilities, our nation can make a powerful difference.
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    More like a precisely biased and often ignorant take on whats happening.
    The Armenian Issue

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/trbrtc/st...04542317191173

    https://southfront.org/turkish-f-16-...ijani-airport/

    New York Times journalist Christiaan Triebert shared on October 7 satellite images showing two F-16s and a possible CN-235 cargo aircraft in the Azerbaijani airport. The fighter jets are most likely of the Turkish Air Force.
    Now we don't actually know those are Turkish F-16s. But it begs the question. What are F-16s doing in Azerbaijan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    More like a precisely biased and often ignorant take on whats happening.
    Yes, it doesn't take into account Turkish propaganda. Very biased and ignorant of Turkish propaganda. Didn't even read the article (and didn't notice the extensive citations).

    The genocide enabling is disturbing.

    Here is an article with the perspective of an Azerbaijani peace advocate. Interesting perspective.

    https://oc-media.org/opinions/opinio...ugv2hxoS3JqtaQ
    Last edited by Drtad; October 07, 2020 at 03:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://mobile.twitter.com/trbrtc/st...04542317191173

    https://southfront.org/turkish-f-16-...ijani-airport/



    Now we don't actually know those are Turkish F-16s. But it begs the question. What are F-16s doing in Azerbaijan?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia...ster#Operators

    Unless further proof is brought, those are likely M-346s, Azerbaijan has them and the silhouette matches. Besides, why would Azerbaijan need Turkish jets? Their own inventory is already superior to Armenia, the problem is the S-300s that both sides have, a few F-16s wouldn't change this.

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