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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Everything in my posts are things I say, yes.
    Well, most of it is just a copy paste of Turkish state position. I just wanted to point out the rare occasion of you adding an original thought, unimpressive as it was.

    Which is because the current state of Cypriot and Karabakh conflicts are not compatible. I have hypothetically expanded the situation in Cyprus to mirror that of Karabakh. You're refusing to acknowledge that for the sake of arguing.
    Sigh. You are aware that Cyprus and Greece are separate countries, yes? Meanwhile Azerbaijan is just one, not two, so your addition of Crete makes no sense whatsoever?
    They are very much comparable, you're just refusing to acknowledge it so you're trying to come up with an excuse for your double standard.



    Nope.
    Going from 18.2% to 22% is not a change?

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    Over the past week or so, Azerbaijan have been slowly taking over the occupied regions on the Iranian border.

    The Iran Factor in Talks Between U.S., Azerbaijan, and Armenia
    In the last week, most of the fighting has concentrated in areas that border Iran. Azerbaijan has recaptured territories that Armenia had occupied since their 1992–1994 war. Most of the international border with Iran has returned to the control of Azerbaijani troops, creating a new strategic reality for Iran. The Iranian press has openly reported Tehran’s concerns that the change at the border will have a negative impact on Iran’s security.
    If everything freeze today, this alone is a major development.

    Iran is a multiethnic state in which 50 percent of its population is composed of non-Persian minorities. The largest ethnic minority in Iran is the Azerbaijanis, who comprise approximately a third of Iran’s population. Most of Iran’s Azerbaijanis live in provinces – East Azerbaijan, West Azerbaijan, and Ardebil – that border Armenia and Azerbaijan and the current battles.
    Iran managed well with the Armenian occupation authorities, pursuing common energy projects and other forms of cooperation. Iran’s preference for a long border with Armenia is illustrated by Tehran’s adamant opposition to the U.S. State Department’s “Goble Plan” in 1992, which suggested granting Armenia a land corridor to Nagorno-Karabakh, in parallel to granting a land corridor through Armenian territory to Azerbaijan’s exclave, Nakhchevan.
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    Pashinyan is seemingly loosing it, i don't think it is purely a patriotic fervor, he is afraid to get labelled in the history books as the one that lost Karabagh after Armenians have successfully defended it for three decades. If he does mobilize the masses and send them to the frontline as he currently speaks of, it will be a massacre, Armenians doesn't need more ak-47 carrying conscripts, they need anti-uav equipment and firepower, and certainly a change on that outdated trench warfare kind of doctrine, i can't imagine the hell Azerbaijanis would face if it was the ISIL, Houthis or Chechens instead of Armenians, the terrain is just perfect for defensive guerilla warfare.
    Last edited by Tureuki; October 21, 2020 at 05:16 PM.

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    The prime minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan, recently put out a message on Facebook calling people to form volunteer squads to join the fight (translation):
    Step 1. Form a volunteer squad (minimum of 30 people).Step 2. Choose a commander.
    Step 3. Apply to the commander's residence military commissary.
    Step 4. in one of the military units to pass in harmony, preparation.
    Step 5. Go to the frontline of the defense of the homeland.
    Step 6. Win.
    He's sending people to slaughter.


    Meanwhile, this is the best map I could find of the latest situation on the frontline:


    Scratch that. They completely taken back the Iranian border:

    Last edited by PointOfViewGun; October 22, 2020 at 01:53 PM.
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    Another article, this time from Human Rights Watch, detailing the extensive use of internationally banned cluster munitions against civilians in NK in many towns across the region.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/23/...gorno-karabakh
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    After trainings in Turkey, Shamil Basaev took part in war in NKR and run away from Karabagh in 90s after losing most of its men. Later he mocked Azeris by saying they are cowards who were fleeing all the way to Baku from Karabagh, it is not our war, there is nothing about jihad here he said. Don't mumble about Chechens, watch that interview on youtube.

    Armenia fighting against Turkey and Azerbaijan and terrorists. Turkey is involved directly on every level, nice proxy war you having, the only ing disaster for Armenia were all this UAVs. They would not get an inch of a land without it, but lately we shooting down those UAVs, guess why.

    In one month of fighting they took some villages, lost up 6000 men dead and Aliev says in twitter " it is joyful moment" in our history. Same Turks who value the life of their men only so much as not wanting to take dead bodies back when they officially allowed to do so. Armenians started to bury those bodies in a mass grave after wild boars started to eat it, it's all on the video. They not posting official list of dead soldiers, they have blocked internet, they still deny terrorists involvement - but after all of this they want to be part "progressive world community". Azerbaijan have destroyed 10000 civil buildings and yet assures they want to live in peace with Armenians in Artsakh.

    This war is far from over, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drtad View Post
    Another article, this time from Human Rights Watch, detailing the extensive use of internationally banned cluster munitions against civilians in NK in many towns across the region.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/23/...gorno-karabakh
    war crime perpetrated by what looked like Azeri infiltrating units: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54645254

    the incredible thing is imho, is that Aiev's dictatorship is allowed to spread its paws over these territories when his control over 'his own' people should be called into question. he is a 'more polished' version of a dictator, akin to Husein, Qaddafi et al and should be called as such. he inherited the 'throne' in a system reminiscent of medieval hereditary unconstitutional monarchies. he will preserve this clan system and pass it on to his heir. all 'elections' are a slap in the face to anyone who aspires to democratic governance. and what the so-called international community allows today is attempted extension of this dictatorial regime on yet another group of people. there was a peaceful revolution in Armenia in 2018 and what happens now is an attempt to crash this democratic government. the fact that this is tolerated in the 21 century is shameful. this retards development and modernization of the entire region that becomes mired in this outdated form of oppressive and uncountable government. this is whats at stake here and you either let this Azeri-Turkish aggression succeed and thus allow the return to this strategic region of the medieval modus operandi or you need to be honest and call it for what it is and take corresponding measures, starting with sanctions.

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    Anyone thinks BBC will publish an investigation article on video showing Armenian child soldier?
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    I highly doubt they recruited him. Most probably a teenager from nearby village. Nonetheless he has no place in the frontline.

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    He looks pretty comfortable in place as if he knows what he's doing. Clearly, he was allowed to be there and probably was shown what to do as well. If an Azerbaijani drone bombed that artillery piece it is also likely that Armenian sources would use his body to say Azerbaijan targets children.
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    Latest situation as of today:

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    Default Re: Azerbaijan-Armenia war over Nagorno Karabakh

    Third time now that a ceasefire is announced and Azerbaijan just ignores it and continues its offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Third time now that a ceasefire is announced and Azerbaijan just ignores it and continues its offensive.
    Azerbaijan ignored a ceasefire that Armenia honored?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Azerbaijan ignored a ceasefire that Armenia honored?
    Which side has an interest in continuing the fighting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Which side has an interest in continuing the fighting?
    That doesn't answer the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    That doesn't answer the question.
    Both sides violated it, though I do not know which side did so first. The difference is that Armenia continues to call for the ceasefire to be honoured while Azerbaijan waltzes on.
    And on the topic of answering questions, feel free to go back a page or two and do so yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Both sides violated it, though I do not know which side did so first. The difference is that Armenia continues to call for the ceasefire to be honoured while Azerbaijan waltzes on.
    And on the topic of answering questions, feel free to go back a page or two and do so yourself.
    Calling for honoring a ceasefire while not honoring it doesn't really provide any value in favor of Armenia. So, that difference, taking it at face value, is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Calling for honoring a ceasefire while not honoring it doesn't really provide any value in favor of Armenia. So, that difference, taking it at face value, is pointless.
    So they should unilaterally honour the ceasefire and not try to stop the Azeri forces who keep advancing. That worked great for the Soviets during ww1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    So they should unilaterally honour the ceasefire and not try to stop the Azeri forces who keep advancing.
    Do you know for a fact that the Azerbaijani push is not a result of Armenian violation of the ceasefire? Shelling by Armenian forces have been present on almost all fronts even though Azerbaijanis are known to be moving north from the south.
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    Default Re: Azerbaijan-Armenia war over Nagorno Karabakh

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    Do you know for a fact that the Azerbaijani push is not a result of Armenian violation of the ceasefire? Shelling by Armenian forces have been present on almost all fronts even though Azerbaijanis are known to be moving north from the south.
    Why would Armenia want to violate the ceasefire?

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