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    Default [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    What?
    Well, the title says it no? I don't have the time to add the specific article and scratch through it but it'll paint somewhat of a picture.

    Why?

    The roles don't have people willing, able or eligible to serve in them.
    When they are occupied they are (not always) occupied by people who have no grasp of the ToS or how to moderate correctly. And on a personal note, because I think the role never should have been created to begin with.

    How?

    Variant A: Scratch the roles of Praefects and PP entirely and let moderation moderate the Curia, with the exception of the personal reference rule.

    Variant B: Scratch the roles of Praefects and PP entirely, let the Curator moderate the Curia, again.

    Variant C: Scratch the roles of Praefects and PP entirely and let moderation do it's thing.

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    Article II. The Consul and Curial OfficersCitizens elect and can run for9 Curial Officer positions: Consul, Censors, Praefects, and Magistrates.10

    The Consul acts as a local moderator of the Curia and it's related fora and is responsible for ensuring the Curia's day-to-day tasks are accomplished. Two Censors, appointed by the Consul, assist with Curial tasks and review referrals from Curial infractions.11 Magistrates review Moderation actions in the Tribunal. Praefects are the full moderators of the Curia and its related fora.7

    Undue absence or negligence may lead to an officer's removal from office.12 Any Curial Officer receiving a Moderation or Curial warning is immediately removed from office.


    Regulations and Procedures to Section I
    1 To be awarded with Citizenship a member must fulfill the minimum requirements and be proposed by a Citizen, their Patron. Minimum Requirements: At least fifty posts; been registered for at least two months, and; not received a Moderation Warning or Curial Warning within the past six months.

    An individual may hold only one account awarded with Citizenship.

    2 If a member is entitled to other badges, they may choose which badge to display whilst regardlessly retaining all privileges conferred by their positions and honors.

    3 Patricans may display the Patrician badge. If a Large Award recipient resigns from Citizenship or has their Citizenship revoked, they lose the ability to display the Patrician badge but retain their Large Award(s).

    4 Subject to the procedures in Section III. Comments which cannot be supported due to either 'Non-Disclosure Agreement,' or existing within restricted forums, are prohibited.

    5 To be able to patronize members for Citizenship the Citizen must have held their own Citizenship for three months.

    Patronisation Procedure:
    1. The patron confirms the candidate meets the requirements and, with the candidate's consent, Moderation is requested to inform the patron and the Consul whether the moderation requirement is met.
    2. Given moderational clearance, the patron writes an introductory letter outlining why they are nominating the candidate.
    3. The candidate and patron formulate an application which highlights the candidate's contributions along with any supporting evidence/information.
    4. The patron posts the introductory letter and application in a new thread in the Quaestiones Perpetuae forum.
    5. After a two day discussion period the Consul adds a poll lasting five days.
    6. The discussion period can be extended at the discretion of the Consul, provided an explanation is given.
    7. If the candidate achieves sixty percent of non-abstaining votes, they are entitled to the award of Citizenship.
    8. The Consul informs the candidate and patron of the result. If the candidate does not pass they are not eligible to apply again for one month after the conclusion of the poll.


    6 Reinstatement of Citizenship will only be permitted if the petitioner has no active Curial suspensions, and has not received a Moderation Warning (subsequent to the resignation) within six months of the request. Members who resign their Citizen status are not bound by the obligations of Citizenship whilst on leave, but any misbehaviour prior to a request of reinstatement can be subject to Referral (if the petitioner is readmitted).

    7Due to the nature of the Curia and it's related fora, Praefects The Consul recognizes that off topic and personal references are allowed, within reason.

    8 Any Citizen subject to an indefinite suspension will have their Citizenship automatically revoked by the Administration.

    9 Subject to the procedure in Section III, Article II.

    10 Consuls and Magistrates are elected for four months from the day of their election. The Primus Praefect are elected for a term of one year while the other two Praefects have six month terms from time of election. The Primus Praefect requires verifiable experience in staff moderation for three months, and/or Tribunal experience either as a Tribune or having served at least two terms as Magistrate. Censors are appointed to serve alongside the same term as the Consul but may be reappointed by future Consuls.

    11 Censors are appointed positions and as such the Consul is responsible for overseeing their activities.

    12 If the Consul is absent (has not logged into the site) for seven days without giving a notice of absence, is absent for more than fifteen days regardless of notice, resigns, or is subject to a successful Vote of No Confidence (VoNC), they are automatically removed from office along with any appointed censors. Any decisions of the office shall be held over until a replacement is elected. When such a decision is time-limited, time from the moment the office is empty does not count towards the limit until a new Consul is elected. When the office of the Consul is empty, the Primus Praefect The censors will organize the election of a new Consul, and assume day-to-day administration of the Curia.

    Praefects are included in these stipulations only when there is such a time period where none of the 3 Praefects are present or have given notice of extended absence, or any absence without notice places undue burden on any remaining praefects.



    Section III - Praefects, Censors, and Magistrates
    Article I. The Triumvirate and ReferralsCitizens are expected to behave in an exemplary manner and can be referred1 to the Praefects Consul for a review of their behavior and possible disciplinary action. Such a Referral is initiated automatically by Moderation for infractions incurred, or discretionally by Citizens for behavior considered unbecoming. Praefects The Consul may decide if a referral is frivolous, and decide to dismiss. If a referral has merit, the Praefects Consul request a defense2 from the referred and decides3 whether4 and which5 disciplinary action is to be taken.6

    If a citizen believes an offense by another citizen is egregious enough to bring before the entire Curia that citizen may initiate an Ostrakon.7,11

    The Triumvirate consists of:

    • The Praefects - Who discuss and vote on every Referral. The Primus Praefect holds the tiebreaking vote if necessary.
    • The Consul and Censors - Who may discuss Referrals and vote upon them. hold no vote, except in the case of infractions issued to citizens in the Curia where they will act in place of Praefects.
    • The Hexagon Council - Who may choose to participate.


    Praefects, Censors, and the Consul must recuse themselves in their own referrals or any case of a non-Curial infraction they may have issued elsewhere as a site moderator.8

    If a Citizen is not satisfied with the result of their referral, they may request a public appeal. The appeal will be discussed and decided in the Curia.9 The result is binding and is not subject to further appeal.


    Regulations and Procedures to Section III

    1 No Citizen may be subject to more than one Referral for a single post.

    2
    After receiving a referral, the Consul and CensorsPraefects may informally vote to dismiss the case if deemed frivolous, i.e. lacking completeness or objectively without merit for the referral process. All voting members of the Triumvirate praefects, if not having to recuse themselves, must at a minimum post their intent to "Dismiss" the case, otherwise it will be brought to a full referral process. This dismissal can be done and completed before or after a defense is received at the Consul's Primus Praefect's discretion.

    3 The defendant receives an anonymous copy of the accusation from the ConsulPraefects. Any defense must be provided within ninety-six hours of the request. At the request of the referred, the ConsulPraefects also accept materials provided on behalf of the referred. Such materials shall be posted until a decision for dismissal or continuation is reached, and must be considered by the Triumvirate in the poll, if such a poll is required.

    4 A simple majority of non-abstaining votes is required to pass. Where two options have the same number of votes, the Consul or Censor'sPraefect breaks the tie. Votes submitted by members of the Triumvirate shall be accompanied by a post stating which option the member selected, along with their reasoning.

    5Four days after requesting a defense, regardless of whether it has been received, and if not dismissed, a vote is opened by a member of the TriumviratePraefect to conclude after four days with the options to take further action, or abstain.

    6 If the Citizens' Triumvirate vote to take further action, a Praefect opens a poll for four days. The options are:
    • Censure
    • Suspension of Citizenship for 1 month
    • Suspension of Citizenship for 2 months
    • Suspension of Citizenship for 4 months
    • Suspension of Citizenship for 6 months
    • Revocation of Citizenship
    • Abstain


    7 All citizen initiated referrals processed as Ostrakons are public. All other referrals are private unless the member referred requests for them to be made public.

    8If a Praefect must recuse themselves, the Consul may step into their voting position. Praefects may recuse themselves from citizen initiated referrals but not from staff initiated referral (except one against themselves or one they were involved in directly as a site moderator). If at any point the majority of Praefects must recuse themselves, the entire process is referred to the Consul and Censors.

    9 The Consul posts any original private referral and further action threads in the Questiones Perpetuae, and opens a new poll thread with the options to keep, overturn or change the ruling, or abstain. The poll lasts four days. If the Citizenry votes to change the punishment, the Consul opens a second poll for four days. The options are all punishments excluding the original punishment, and abstention. A simple majority of non-abstaining votes is required for the first vote. In the case of a vote to either increase or decrease punishment, in the second vote, the option with the highest number of votes is the punishment given. Where two options have the same number of votes, the punishment given is determined by the Multiple Transferable Vote System.

    10 Should a Tribune recuse themselves, or there is a tie between Tribunes, the other Magistrate respectively votes in their stead, or is called to break the tie. Magistrates are terminated by a unanimous vote of the Tribunes.

    11 A citizen initiates an ostrakon by making a case via private message to the Consul[/s]to one of the Praefects[/s]. A majority vote of the prefects determines if an ostrakon has merit. If an ostrakon has merit:

    • The ConsulPrimus Praefect notifies the defendant and requests a defense
    • After a defense is provided, or after one week if no defense is provided, the ConsulPrimus Praefect posts the ostrakon accusation and defense within the Quaestiones Perpetuae
    • After three days of discussion the Consulthe Praefect's adds a poll lasting seven days to either Dismiss, Revoke Citizenship, or Abstain. A 2/3rds majority of non-abstaining votes is required for revocation.




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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    I support plan B and would buy it for my daughter.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    A more workable scenario would combine the role of the Censors and the Praefects. This would create a curial assistant position that would be elected. The role would fill in for the usual thread drudgery and report making for the Curator, but would also sit in judgement of citizens brought up on charges.

    The Censor position itself has long been a neglected role with no official responsibilities and for the most part since its inception no real indication of productive activity. Despite a recent flurry of activity by the now jobless Akar it has been a ceremonial position.

    Another idea would be to return to the multiple Counsel idea. Two elected Counsels on staggered revolving basis.



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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Plan B seems to make a lot of sense, I never got the point of the praefects anyway.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    So we have yet another proposal about changing the Curia.

    I support it because it will reduce the number of Curial officers. We have already seen that it is very difficult to appoint enough capable people that stay for the course in the last years. Having more than one candidate for a position so that there is something to choose is also a luxury that has become very rare. Perhaps it will be a bit better with less positions to fill. There are after all much less Citizens active on the site and even less in the Curia.

    Variant B would be my choice from the alternatives presented.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Plan B seem logical to me plus what VZ said about the Censors.

    So, I think it's time to go back to when General Brewster was the Curator before Haders' Order 66 proposal passed and back then the Censors did had a role to fill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Zandt View Post
    A more workable scenario would combine the role of the Censors and the Praefects. This would create a curial assistant position that would be elected. The role would fill in for the usual thread drudgery and report making for the Curator, but would also sit in judgement of citizens brought up on charges.

    The Censor position itself has long been a neglected role with no official responsibilities and for the most part since its inception no real indication of productive activity. Despite a recent flurry of activity by the now jobless Akar it has been a ceremonial position.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Plan B and call it a day, the meager potential was lost in its crib.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    The prefects were never needed in the first place and made things unnecessarily complicated. If we had a lot of members taking part in the Curia and we wanted to get people involved the more positions the better. However, given the current state. Plus, we I proposed the changing the name of Curator to Consul it was done in anticipation that the Curator would be the moderator. I do not have a problem with electing Censors and have them "assist in moderating the Curia as well. So I am good with Plan B or a modification on that basis.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Plan B or C with some amendments.
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    Support plan B and let´s move on...
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    Plan B.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    that won't be bad to have a plan "D" though, like only one Preafect rather than 3 of them.. this is more viable, IMO .. if one of course values the role of the Prefect, something I do clearly

    so

    A more workable scenario would combine the role of the Censors and the Praefects. This would create a curial assistant position that would be elected. The role would fill in for the usual thread drudgery and report making for the Curator, but would also sit in judgement of citizens brought up on charges.
    that's not a bad idea, since I still believe that the Curia needs dedicated moderators
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flinn View Post
    that won't be bad to have a plan "D" though, like only one Preafect rather than 3 of them.. this is more viable, IMO .. if one of course values the role of the Prefect, something I do clearly
    You mean like this. It failed.

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    To fix this minor problem..

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    I supported that
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Well, option b will go to vote asap then. I thank you all for your cooperation.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Quote Originally Posted by General Brewster View Post
    Well, option b will go to vote asap then. I thank you all for your cooperation.
    Your going to have to specify what wording you want to modify in the Constitution. Removing the Praefects will significantly alter the referral and moderation procedures.

    And until the proposed wording has been reviewed and supported, then there is nothing to vote on.
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    There's actually nothing preventing me from doing just what I said.

    Would it leave a mess? Yes. Do we need a second amendment anyway? Yes.

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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    Could it be possible to pass this amendment, but not make it enforceable until after the other issues are resolved?
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    Default Re: [Amendment] Getting rid of the praefects

    What other issues?

    @ Brew; bro in any case crafting a full amendment including the overhaul of the referrals and moderation would be the best way to go here.. I think there's no hurry to change this, so why not doing it properly and in one single move?
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