Modding awards

[Lusted]

isn't a coder also a modder?

Yes, but a different type of modder to a mapper or modeller/skinner. Best modder is the overall best modder, then the rest of the awards are for different types of modding.

i still don;t see why we insist on this absurd distinction though. Why not produce one single list of Site Awards that includes all categories?

Go on then, no ones saying it should be done seperately, but as this is a topic about modding awards modding awards are being discussed in it. If a list of member aards can be made then all the awards can be done at once.

[Lusted]

Gayest Member (just coz i want to win 1, though Lusted may beat me lol)

Just noticed that one. Im not THAT camp you know.

[the Black Prince]

tener says you're camper than me

[Tom Paine]

My take on the tBP awards (in fieldset. Notice that, people... its helpful):

Best Debator
Best Political Poster
Best Ethical Poster Massive overlap; Best Thema Devia poster would do the job, if we wanted to deal with this, or possibly Best Debator.
Best Historical Poster
Most Technical Member
Most Popular Member
Most Controversial Member Definitely not, a) as we know who it'll be and b) all it will or can do is reopen old wounds, or prevent recent ones healing.
Funniest Member
Best Strategist How are we meant to know this one?
Best Bug Reporter
Best AAR Writer
Best Screenshot
Best Community News Reporter So that'd be Helios, Podcast, ES? I prefer the idea of Best Content Contributor, which also includes editors (like me... vested interest time!)
Favourite Staff Member I think we only need the second of your staff awards; this one is pointless
Most Helpful Staff Member
Best Looking Male Member
Best Looking Female Member Both of these a) reinforce negative gamer stereotypes and b) are highly flawed if not pointless... why bother with them? What do they add at all?
Gayest Member (just coz i want to win 1, though Lusted may beat me lol) No, because what the hell does it mean? Campest? I rather think its a bad idea. Furthermore how the hell does one adjudicate campness over teh internets?
Most Helpful Member
Friendliest Member
Fastest Rising Newb No, I don't think so... that sort of acts as a half-dozen other categories as well for a start. Also how does one define newb?
Best Mentor What's a mentor, exactly?

[the Black Prince]

and having Best Modder, but also best Coder, Scripter, Map maker, graphical Artist, 2D designer and 3D designer for both M2TW AND RTW isn't an overlap?

[Publius]

and having Best Modder, but also best Coder, Scripter, Map maker, graphical Artist, 2D designer and 3D designer for both M2TW AND RTW isn't an overlap?

No, not at all. Each game is different in its own right, many modders that did worlds of modding on RTW aren't moving on to M2, and many people who have never modded RTW much are making a large name for themselves.

[Tom Paine]

Unlike with modder awards, I actually know something about member awards; I'm applying the Wittgensteinian aphorism.

[Lusted]

tener says you're camper than me

Forgot that your not camp, and that none of the gay TWc members i know are camp. So yes you probably are camper than me.

[Tom Paine]

In which case, Publius, it'd be logical to have a Best Ethos Debator and a Best Mudpit Debator, as different people make their names in each of them, despite some degree of crossover, as with the various TW games; however to have three Debator awards remains excessive.

[Publius]

In which case, Publius, it'd be logical to have a Best Ethos Debator and a Best Mudpit Debator, as different people make their names in each of them, despite some degree of crossover, as with the various TW games; however to have three Debator awards remains excessive.

Your first mistake is to try and draw a correlation between modding and the CC - they are not comprable, at least not in the sense you are thinking of.

A more accurate analogy would be subforums representing different parts of modding (ethos, VV, etc. --> mapping, coding, etc.) and the different games representing entirely different forums (TWCenter and ORG --> RTW and M2TW). They may be similar, but they are not the same.

On top of this, as I stated before accomplishments by individuals on each platform vary greatly. People that I have never seen or heard of modding RTW are doing superb things with the M2 engine. Would you want to give an award to an established RTW modder and neglect the rising M2 modders (who have so far done very much in very little time), or would you rather we give it to the rising M2 modders and forget the years of work some people have put into modding RTW?

How does breaking it into RTW and M2 awards hurt us?

[Tom Paine]

I was just making the concession to tBP actually, no more, so no need to jump to conclusions; I'm not actually going to talk of modder awards, as I previously said...

[Publius]

I was just making the concession to tBP actually, no more, so no need to jump to conclusions; I'm not actually going to talk of modder awards, as I previously said...

Well, you do specifically mention my name in the post ...

Unless my name is code for the Black Prince?

[Tom Paine]

Well, I was just adressing it to you since you were the one who demonstrated a need for different TW-game awards...

[Simetrical]

I would agree that modders should figure out modding awards, and posters-outside-of-modding figure out non-modding awards . . . it's kind of silly for the peanut gallery to try to decide what should happen on stage, you know. If this results in some inconsistencies, I don't think it really matters, as long as there are a roughly comparable number of awards.

Both types of awards should probably have a catch-all "Best Poster"/"Best Modder" award (maybe best modder in RTW and M2TW separately), as well as lesser awards for more specific things. And the winner of the overall-best award shouldn't be eligible for the lesser ones, either. That's the way it's usually done that I've seen, at any rate.

[Fabolous]

Both types of awards should probably have a catch-all "Best Poster"/"Best Modder" award (maybe best modder in RTW and M2TW separately), as well as lesser awards for more specific things. And the winner of the overall-best award shouldn't be eligible for the lesser ones, either. That's the way it's usually done that I've seen, at any rate.

How would that work? The winner of the overall award would be decided at the same time as the rest of the awards, right? And therefore, either all of the canidates from the main award would have to drop from the rest of the awards, which seems like a poor idea, or the winner would simply lose his posistion in all other votes, which means anyone who voted for him loses there vote, which seems rather unfair, and could great a situation of a very unpopular winner of an award, if the "best modder" was dominating another category.

I think the catch-all "best poster" or "best modder" should be eligible whever. If someone sweeps every award, then damn, they deserve it for being that great, no? (Would the winner for movie of the year be ineligible for all the other awards? No. It normally takes a bunch. Recognize the greatness.)

[Simetrical]

How would that work? The winner of the overall award would be decided at the same time as the rest of the awards, right? And therefore, either all of the canidates from the main award would have to drop from the rest of the awards, which seems like a poor idea, or the winner would simply lose his posistion in all other votes, which means anyone who voted for him loses there vote, which seems rather unfair, and could great a situation of a very unpopular winner of an award, if the "best modder" was dominating another category.

We should use approval (multiple-choice) voting. Then no one loses their vote. If, after all the votes were tallied, the winner of best poster/modder also won something else, the other prizes go to the second places.

But, whichever.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I'm sort of with Fabolous here. If there are a few people head and shoulders above the rest, should even being considered for that award mean that they can't be considered for others? The 2nd best and 3rd best person overall is still quite possibly clearly the best skinner or coder or whatever. It would be a shame for that award to go to a person who didn't deserve it really just because the best person came in fifth for the overall award.

[Tom Paine]

I'm not sure I agree with the idea of a best poster (I won't even touch modding...) as it does seem that we might end up with someone taking a massive sweep of awards. Possibly we should limit the number of Poster awards people can be nominated for? (As I say, not touching the modder stuffs!)

[Simetrical]

tBP, you have 14 posts total in all TWC modding forums in the past two years. You have not significantly contributed to any major mod since at least MTW. You cannot reasonably call yourself a modder, not anymore. For every modding-related post of yours in the last two years, Teleklos has made perhaps 700 to 900 (counting those at the Guild), and even I've probably made 20 or 50. Stick to the CC awards, would you?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

perhaps, since i don't consider EB a mod worth playing, by my own preferences, you shouldn't be considered a modder either?

Classy, but you don't want to play that game. I've basically done nothing but "mod" RTW for the past two years, as my total number of posts at the two big RTW fora provide an indication of (I think I'm #2 behind Ozymandias in total number of posts period, but I very very rarely post on anything other than mods, and probably 90% on one mod). All of that plus $5.12 USD gets me a #6 value meal at my local Taco Bell though. But it does mean I've got at least some knowledge or perception of what are decent categories for awards like this.

My desire to see more mods and more modders get awards would seem to be directly at odds with your take on mods. I don't think any mod is not worth playing - lots of different people have different tastes. I'd like to see even more categories if possible, divided in different ways to ensure more mods and modders win them. There's no other way really (on this site) of giving out respect to them, so that's the chief reason I'm for it. Well, there is no other way other than the manner you (or I should say "others") deal with them in posts and such.