No supply line (upkeep) penalties

[Sulfurion Blackfyre]

This mod completely removes the upkeep penalties of food and bronze when recruiting new heroes (armies):

No more recruiting a new general and finding that 1000+ of your food income just poofs out of existence. They still cost their standard 300 upkeep though.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/2075g1hyzo6s67s/file

[Flying Fox]

I literally was about to share the exact same mod. Had a link ready and everything.

[Gigantus]

That should help in preventing to get overrun by AI stack spams.

[Jurand of Cracow]

This mod completely removes the upkeep penalties of food and bronze when recruiting new heroes (armies):

No more recruiting a new general and finding that 1000+ of your food income just poofs out of existence. They still cost their standard 300 upkeep though.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/2075g1hyzo6s67s/file

I think that exponential-costs mechanism is a quite neat way of limiting the number of the armies on the map. How do you cope with the stack-spam with your submod? The sniping-groups of armies problem is well alive in Troy, and your mod adds to the problem.

[Gigantus]

Is this limit applicable to the AI? Because I have no clue how Lycia with 27 regions can swamp me relentlessly with 6 full stacks at a time, playing as Achilles, barely able to file 4 full stacks (the fifth gets me into minus at the 4th unit) and I am holding nearly all of that area.
On the other side there are factions that have literally endless supply of food and bronze and barely field a full stack. That sounds more like the old principle based on regions held.

[Flying Fox]

I think that exponential-costs mechanism is a quite neat way of limiting the number of the armies on the map.

It would be better if this mechanic affected the AI as well.

[Jurand of Cracow]

It would be better if this mechanic affected the AI as well.

I think it somehow is. Not necessarily by exponential costs, but though programming of the AI. Otherwise you'd have small-army-spam.

[Flying Fox]

It's possible the AI tends to fill up armies before making another, through programming. That does stop many small armies, but it doesn't stop many big armies.
I'm not a fan of the supply lines system, as it feels wrong. You recruit one other general and suddenly your economy collapses. It encourages doomstacks of only the strongest units.

[Jake Armitage]

first thing to do for limiting army spam would be to lower recruitment points so that armies grow slower
I can do that if someone is interested 'cause, really, I haven't played this game more than 1 turn...

[Flying Fox]

first thing to do for limiting army spam would be to lower recruitment points so that armies grow slower
I can do that if someone is interested 'cause, really, I haven't played this game more than 1 turn...

True, but the issue that supply lines is meant to reduce is the issue of snowballing. Reduced recruitment points across the board doesn't really help with that.

[Gigantus]

I just did a little comparison - managed to keep two full stacks without the limit and was a bit over 1K food short with the limit. Forcing me to reduce the stacks to 16 each as there was no way of improving food production. And I am holding 4 food producing regions.

Maybe half the increment, eg from 20 to 10% for two stacks?

[Flying Fox]

I just did a little comparison - managed to keep two full stacks without the limit and was a bit over 1K food short with the limit. Forcing me to reduce the stacks to 16 each as there was no way of improving food production. And I am holding 4 food producing regions.

Maybe half the increment, eg from 20 to 10% for two stacks?

Cataph over at Da Modding Den discord made a small tweak mod for Troy that included precisely the change you suggest:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...2/ak_troy.pack

for anyone who feels like wanting these tweaks:
- rout lockout from 60 seconds to 15 (was 10 in WH2). This means the invisible unbreakable timeframe after rallying.
- nerfs poison wells damage by about a third via output nerf and resistance for all factions. YMMV based on armies.
- food upkeep increment reduced by 4% per army in supply lines

THIS IS A MOVIE PACK. Remember it's there.

Edit: I myself prefer to see the system gone entirely.

[Gigantus]

Thanks, I'll give that a spin.